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Gandhi in The Handmaid’s Tale

Aisha Sarwari October 4, 2005

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#797 Posted by mohar11 on October 9, 2005 8:59:24 am
Re: # 789 YLH
//.... by people taking advantage of the fact that I am preoccupied by other things....//

That is really bad of these hinud mullhas ..... how dare they do that? ..... But you never worry son - we will retaliate and take of these hinuds soon..... we will succeed - we will destroy this false god Gandhi that hinuds worship..... these hinud mullahs - they are so hypocrites.....

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#787 Posted by Edge on October 9, 2005 7:46:11 am
Manto...I dont care about what Ambedkar or even Einstein said about Gandhi , good or bad...

This is what my God , the only God - the market has to say >>


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#786 Posted by friend on October 9, 2005 7:45:09 am
Behram
Another proof of universal hatered of Jews against Gandhi

David Ben-Gurion`s Negev

In David Ben Gurion`s bedroom, hangs a portrait of Mahatma Gandhi (the only picture in the room), under it is a plaque with Ben Gurion`s words:

``The moral strength of the East is perhaps embodied most of all in the great Indian leader Mahatma Gandhi, the outstanding man who is heading the war for independence and the weapon of this commander is non-violence.``
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#785 Posted by MantoLives on October 9, 2005 7:42:39 am
Gujju...


Unlike Albert Einstein, M L King and Mr Mandela, Ambedkar actually experienced Mahatma Gandhi`s love first hand...


But here is a guy who has an interesting take on Dr King`s admiration for Gandhi:

Since you love sikhs you`d love this...

SikhSpectrum.com Quarterly Issue No. 17, August 2004

Interview with Colonel G.B. Singh


Manbir Singh Chowdhary






In post 9/11 America, where imagery of Osama Bin Laden and the Taliban has sadly, for some members of American society, led to the association of turbans with Islamic fundamentalism - the onus has fallen on the Sikh community to take a more proactive role in humbly disseminating the significance of the Articles of their Faith, their belief in One Creator of humanity, and the egalitarian message of the Sikh Gurus.

Being a member of the Sikh-American community, news of a Sikh colonel in the ranks of the United States Armed Services caught me with a great sense of awe and pride. The powerful imagery of a turbaned Sikh officer, clad in a U.S. Military colonel`s uniform undoubtedly serves to promote awareness about Sikhs in mainstream America, and portrays the turban in a positive light.

Colonel G.B. Singh, holds the distinction of being one of the few high ranking Sikh officers in the U.S. Military. He comes across as a man that stands defiant of the odds against him, and unafraid to speak out against commonly accepted thought and practice.

SikhSpectrum.com had the opportunity to talk to the Colonel Singh about life in the U.S. Military and his new book published by Prometheus Books: Gandhi: Behind the Mask of Divinity.

Question: Colonel Singh is it true that you are only one of two high ranking turbaned Sikh officers in the U.S. Armed Services?

I think you are correct. As I recall the other individual is LTC (Retired) Gopal Singh. I believe he was a military intelligence officer.

Question: What exactly is your responsibility, as a Colonel, within the US Army?

By profession, I am a Periodontist. I am a part of the US Army Medical Department.

Question: How many years have you been in the military?

For about 25 years.

Question: Where around the world have you been stationed?

Just about all over. Twice I was stationed in Korea. In the United States, I have traveled and lived in many parts of our country.

Question: Have you ever met the Commander in Chief or visited the Pentagon?

Yes, I have met the President while in Korea. I have visited the PENTAGON on numerous occasions and once worked there.

Question: Have you met any other high-profile leaders of our nation? (And if so, please relate stories.)

Yes, some.

Question: Did you face any adversity during your military career being part of a visible minority?

Yes and it shouldn`t be unexpected. In the military career, facing an adversity is quite common and you learn a whole lot of life`s lessons facing such adversities.

Question: What inspires you?

Many things and one that particularly stands out are the contents of Guru Granth.

Question: Post 9/11, what should the Sikh-American community be doing in order to promote awareness of itself?

Sikhs must learn the art of public debate. Sikhs must project themselves on the radios, TV screens, and other modes of news delivery. Before they get on these channels, Sikhs must get familiar with public issues being discussed. In other words, get ready by proper training. As a start they should cultivate the habit of reading which is so essential to move higher. Without acquiring reading habits, you simply cannot acquire other skills that are often necessary in public debates.

Question: Is it true that the turbaned Sikhs who serve in high-ranking positions in the U.S. Army do so by way of special exemptions, but are still not allowed to serve in combat units?

Yes you are correct.

Question: Turbaned Sikhs can serve in all military regiments in Britain, and also as police officers. In Canada, a major breakthrough occurred for Sikhs, in 1995, as they won the right to serve in the prestigious Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP). Canadian Sikhs also serve as fighter pilots in the Royal Canadian Air Force. What is it going to take for similar recognition in the United States?

This is a good question and it only shows how different is the United States from other countries. The US military is altogether a different breed from its inception. Look at the case of African-Americans and see how long it took them to be accepted within the military. What I have seen and experienced in the US military for the last 25 years, I can say: there are changes taking place and I have no doubt positive changes will continue to take shape in future.

Question: Strong opposition to the recruitment of Sikhs in the Royal Canadian Mounted Police was based on the argument that Sikhs wearing turbans would violate the traditions of the RCMP and traditional uniform codes. Canadian Sikhs overcame this argument through successful legal challenges and political lobbying. Isn`t a similar argument being raised in the US by the Armed Services in preventing turbaned Sikhs from joining combat units and also by the New York Police Administration in preventing turbaned Sikhs from joining the NYPD?

You are correct. Political lobbying is necessary. I am aware of the case in NYPD. As I recall, the Sikh gentleman won his case. We need many more victories.

Question: As a high ranking established figure within the US Army, what have you done to facilitate the full participation of turbaned Sikhs into the combat units of the Armed Services?

As one individual, the best that I can offer is the visibility and I have that. If a question is ever asked to me I am there to answer.

Question: In your opinion, what is it going to take for the Armed Services and other law enforcement agencies in the U.S. to realize that Sikhs can excel in their respective fields with their turban and beards?

As you have said and I agree: Political lobbying and successful legal challenges. I can`t think of any other ways.

Question: Colonel Singh, you have used your Sikh heritage as a foundation to accomplish your life`s goals. What is your advice to young Sikh-Americans who aspire to become Colonels and Generals in the U.S. Military?

In spite of the unparalleled leadership traits of Guru Gobind Singh, we Sikhs lack leaders and leadership skills. Military has been instrumental in developing leaders, especially the US military. My advice to young Sikh-Americans is that they must fill the leadership gaps that exist in our Sikh institutions. And to achieve that goal, US military service can provide the training and plant seeds of growth that are so necessary among Sikhs. Only then we can move forward and develop an adequate political philosophy based upon and consistent with the teachings of the Sikh Gurus. It is a long process. Becoming Colonels and Generals are all wonderful in the process of learning and imparting that knowledge to our youngsters.

Question: Your interest in scholarship. How did this start?

Perhaps I was born with an inquisitive mind. Once I joined the US Army, it provided me an incredible opportunity to learn and excel. One thing that handicapped me early on was my intuitive recognizing the fact that the things I learned in India were mainly false or not entirely true and had to be expunged out of me. As my interest began to grow in scholarship, it was certainly no easy task to unlearn what I had learned in India. In 1979, I was given a copy of the New Testament to read and as I began to read I recognized so many holes in the story of Jesus Christ. I think, in a formal sense, that`s where my scholarship began and it diversified to so many avenues of research. Today I pursue active research into the Bible, Koran, Hindu scriptures, Buddha; their true historical values; and their political impacts.

Question: What prompted your interest in Hinduism and Gandhi?

Born and raised in post-British India I always knew Hinduism, at least that`s what I thought. In 1982, I was a political science student at the University of Oklahoma and one incident relating to a curriculum dealing with communism opened my deep held ideas of Hinduism to a careful scrutiny. That`s how my formal journey in studying Hinduism started. With Gandhi, however, the story is somewhat different. Again while growing in India, Gandhi was our hero and to many others he was a god.

And in February 1983, I saw the film Gandhi which reinforced the story of Gandhi I had learned in India. In March 1983, I read the article, The Gandhi Nobody Knows by Richard Grenier. This article brought about fundamental changes in me especially dealing with asking probing questions and there I started to pay more critical attention to Gandhi while at the same time I was actively pursuing research into Hinduism.

These two areas of research eventually converged. The tragic events of 1984 in India against the Sikhs, painful that they were, were no surprise to me. Just following the attack on Golden Temple and other gurdwaras, Mrs. Indira Gandhi justified her bloody actions by invoking one of Mahatma Gandhi`s teachings-that event in itself forced me to conduct a thorough research on our mahatma.

Question: Your new book, Gandhi: Behind the Mask of Divinity has caused quite a stir in South Africa. What happened exactly?

Here is what happened before the book was released in April 2004. In Fall of 2002, AAH Newsletter (publication of African Americans for Humanism) published my article, ``Would the Real Gandhi Please Stand Up,`` and this article was posted on the internet. One active black group in South Africa read this article and became sensitive to the issue of Gandhi`s racism against the black people. Unknown to the Johannesburg officials, and it caught them by surprise, the issue erupted in the public arena following the unveiling of Gandhi`s statue in central Johannesburg in October 2003.

Question: Your book seeks to expose the truth relating to a man so many revere as a symbol of peace and piety in Western society. The book is filled with surprising revelations about Gandhi, calling him a racist who was pro-apartheid, and anti-black. What sources have you relied upon for such an argument?

During my research of Gandhi, I recognized that there is a huge Gandhi propaganda machine and this machine has filled our libraries with Gandhi stories that we have come to accept them as true. Once I recognized that these ``histories`` are essentially false, I began to look for authentic sources of information. I was more concerned with what Gandhi had done to the blacks when he lived in South Africa from 1893 to 1914. Luckily for me, I was able to lay my hands on the early authentic documents and from there on I was able to rebuild the true history. This is all explained in details in Gandhi: Behind the Mask of Divinity.

Question: As you know, many people in India also regard Gandhi as a god-like figure. Aren`t you concerned about the backlash you might face from activist Hindu groups?

You are correct. Having acknowledged that, I also believe that we all are victims of Gandhi propaganda machine; Hindus (it may come as a surprise to them) being the biggest victims of this machine. So my book should open eyes of everyone including my Hindu brothers and sisters. The Sikhs too must open their eyes and for them in particular I have attached a few words under the heading, ``What Gandhi Has Done to the Sikhs & Sikhism: A Plea for Skeptical Inquiry.``

Question: The book further states that Gandhi himself was involved in the cover-up of a murder of an American citizen, William Francis Doherty. What evidence do you have to support this assertion?

This issue came to my attention in 1992 literally out of the blue. I was researching Katherine Mayo`s Mother India (1927) and how it caused uproar among the caste Hindus. While researching that I came across a sworn deposition of Mrs. Doherty which stated Gandhi`s racism against whites in India and how Gandhi`s followers murdered her husband in 1921 and then how Gandhi himself tried to cover up that murder. I investigated this matter and many years later reached the conclusion that Mrs. Doherty`s deposition to be correct. I have devoted a whole chapter to this murder case in Gandhi: Behind the Mask of Divinity. Plus there is more: I asked myself if Gandhi could be involved in a cover up of one white murder, could there be more? This is all well addressed in my book-much more shocking information.

Question: If predominant belief about Gandhi in the West is truly a misconception and false, as you say it is, what benefit would members of the American Christian clergy draw from writing about his life and promoting his ideals? Why did other American leaders such as Martin Luther King Jr. adopt Gandhi`s concept of `Ahimsa` or Non-violence?

Christian clergy hold a special honor: They were the first group of people to promote Gandhi. Of course they had their own motives and I have tried to bring that into focus in my book. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., being raised in the Christian heritage, fell victim when he learned about Gandhi while enrolled at the seminary located outside Philadelphia in Pennsylvania. There is more to the story: Once Reverend King visited India in 1959, he seems to have distanced away from Gandhi. Something happened in India and his visit needs to be critically investigated rather than what the propaganda says. I believe Dr. King`s concept of nonviolence has nothing to do with Gandhi. It was an historical accident for two to be connected via nonviolence and this accident has been fully exploited by the Gandhi propaganda machine.


What Gandhi Has Done to the Sikhs & Sikhism
A Plea for Skeptical Inquiry
Since the British annexation of Punjab and its absorption in the rest of British India in mid 1800s, two interconnected movements had far-reaching devastating impacts on the Sikhs and Sikhism. The first was the introduction of modern Hinduism in Punjab and the second was the introduction of Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, a focus of this paper today.

Born just about 400 years after the birth of Guru Nanak, M.K. Gandhi (1869-1948) exercised a tremendous influence on the first-half of the 20th century Sikhs and in the process hijacked them. The Sikhs in the second half of the 20th century couldn`t come to grips as to what hit them and still behave as if living in Gandhi`s shadows. All you have to do is witness the pathetic state of affairs of Akali Dal, SGPC, and poor leadership abilities of the Sikh ``leaders.`` What went so wrong?

The answer lies underneath once you answer: What Gandhi has done to the Sikhs and Sikhism? To date not a single Sikh scholar has taken a skeptical look into the Gandhi literature. In 1983 circumstances brought me to probe into Gandhi and that inquiry accelerated further with the terrible events of 1984. While investigating Gandhi on the issues of racism against the black people, I couldn`t help but notice his imprints on the Sikhs and Sikhism following the 1919 Jalianwallah Bagh tragedy. Sometimes in November/December 1919, Gandhi held a four-hour meeting with the ``un-named`` Sikhs (I believe our future leaders) inside the Golden Temple premises. From hereon Sikhs fell under his spell and he manipulated them into a series of chaos by injecting Satyagraha tactics into their psyche. Beyond that he controlled who the Sikh leaders would be. In my investigation, early on I reached an uncomfortable conclusion: Both the Akali Dal and the SGPC were formed by Gandhi. Both of these organizations are essentially Gandhian in ideology and practice the tenets of modern Hinduism. Even today, after so many Sikhs have been murdered by the Gandhian State, they haven`t changed a bit nor do they have the capabilities to evaluate the matters critically.

I hope, in months to come, I can organize a small group of dedicated Sikhs and hand over to them the original documents in my possession. The purpose here is simple: To conduct a thorough skeptical inquiry into the history especially following Gandhi induction into Punjab in 1919 and the consequences thereafter. Once we have come to grips with the truth, only then can we begin to take measures to reverse the present state of affairs.

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#809 Posted by Netizen on October 9, 2005 1:44:11 pm
Re: # 785

hahahaha....


manto is now shooting using khalistanis shoulders

marta marta, kya nahin karta....


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#782 Posted by Edge on October 9, 2005 7:39:04 am
The cuckolded fool has lost it. 30,000 killed in his country in one of the biggest disasters over a century and he is gettiing all heated about proving how gandhi was a racist , evil , bigoted etc. etc. on an internet message board. Great.
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#781 Posted by MantoLives on October 9, 2005 7:38:31 am

Gandhi: Behind the Mask of Divinity

By G. B. Singh

Reviewed by Baldev Singh

``Truth comes out breaking the walls of a fortress`` is a Punjabi saying. For the lovers of truth G. B. Singh has exploded the Gandhi myth – apostle of peace, emancipator of untouchables and liberator of India by peaceful means from the British yoke – by publishing his labor of love, Gandhi: Behind the Mask of Divinity. G. B. Singh studied Gandhi for over twenty years collecting Gandhi’s speeches, writings and other documents, which the promoters of Gandhi left out intentionally to create a twentieth century messiah by fusing Jesus Christ and Vishnu. The oppressors – the proponents of colonialism, slavery, racism and casteism - have imposed their own version of history on the victims through manipulation, deception and hypocrisy. For example there is holocaust museum in the capital of United States in the memory of six million Jews who fell victim to the atrocities of Nazis in World War II. It is commendable and such museums should be built in every capital in the world to remind people of the heinous crimes of the Nazis. But why not a museum about the genocide of native Americans or a museum about slavery in the capital of United States? It takes moral courage to look into the face of truth! In order to avoid the obligation to intervene in Rwanda, the Western powers led by President Clinton put pressure on the United Nations Security Council not to characterize the mass murder of Tootsies as genocide.

The making of Gandhi myth stared in South Africa by white Christian clergy. Rev. Joseph J. Doke, a Baptist Minster was the first to write the biography of M. K. Gandhi. Soon many other European and American clergymen and writers rushed in to make their input. John H. Holmes, a Unitarian pastor from New York praised Gandhi in his writings and sermons with titles like: Gandhi: The Modern Christ, Mahatma Gandhi: The Greatest Man since Jesus Christ, Mahatma Ji: Reincarnation of Christ and Gandhi before Pilate. Romain Rolland, French Nobel Laureate in literature looked at Gandhi not only as a Hindu saint, but also another Christ. He wrote Gandhi’s new biography in French. The English translation of this book opens with: He is the One Luminous, Creator of All, Mahatma. Impressed with lavish propaganda about Gandhi in the West, the Hindu propaganda machine came into action and it churned out a plethora of literature to elevate Gandhi to the status of twentieth century Hindu god – ``The seventh reincarnation of Vishnu, Lord Rama,`` proclaimed Krishnalal Shridharni. Portraits of Gandhi depicted him as Hindu avatar and Christian saint. The Indian government under Prime Minister Indra Gandhi financed one-third the cost of the production of the movie ``Gandhi`` for the portrayal of Gandhi as ``an absolute pacifist.``

The Christian clergy had an ulterior motive in building the Gandhi myth. They thought that by elevating Gadhi to a 20th century messiah and then converting him would open the flood gate for evangelizing Hindu masses. Little did they realize that Gandhi hoodwinked them with his insincere statements about Christianity? He was a die-hard Hindu, a true believer and defender of the caste order – the essence of Hinduism?

Gandhi apologists indulged in gross deception by claiming that Gandhi’s Satyagrah in South Africa was in the defense of the rights of native people. Nothing could be further from truth than this bald lie. How could Gandhi, a diehard supporter of the caste system think of the welfare of African blacks he regarded lower than the Untouchables of India - slightly above the animal level? His Satyagrah was for the better treatment of Indians, who, according to Gandhi were treated the same way as savage Kaffirs (native people) were. In his stay of twenty years in South Africa, he had no social contacts with the Kaffirs, as he did not see any common ground with them in the daily affairs of life. He was horrified when he was lodged with ``natives`` in the same jail ward. He did not like wearing the same clothes with label ``N`` born by the natives, nor he liked their food and sharing lavatory with them. It was the jail experience, which brought out his racism in the open. `` Kaffir and Chinese prisoners are wild, murderous and given to immoral ways. Kaffirs are as a general rule uncivilized – the convicts even more so. They are troublesome, very dirty and live almost like animal.``

He proclaimed that the British Empire was for the welfare of the whole world and he accepted the superiority and predominance of white race. But he reminded the white people that upper caste Indians share with the Europeans a common heritage – the blood of the noble Aryan race. According to him it is Aryan blood, which is responsible for the advancement of human civilization. He suggested to Rev, Doke to civilize the Kaffirs by converting them to Christianity and by infusing Aryan blood into their race. He told the white colonists that the preservation of racial purity (Apartheid) was as important to the Indians as to Europeans.

He urged the colonial authorities to raise a volunteer militia of Indians to fight for the Empire. He told the Natal authorities that it would be a ``criminal folly`` if they did not enlist Indians for the war. He was rebuffed with sarcastic and derogatory comments about the fighting ability of people like Gandhi. However, his persistence persuaded the authorities to form a volunteer ambulance corps of Indians under the command of Sergeant-Major Gandhi during the Boer War and Zulu Rebellion. He urged the Indian community to show their loyalty to the British Empire by raising funds for the War. He reminded them that they were in South Africa due to the courtesy of the Empire. It is not for us to judge whether the Kaffir revolt is justified or not. We are co-colonists with whites of this land whereas the black savages are as yet unfit to participate in the political affairs of the colony.

He was a mean spirited parochial Hindu. Sergeant- Major Gandhi selected only Gujrati Hindus as his assistants, three Sergeants and one Corporal in spite of the fact the ambulance corps (20-24 men) was made up mostly of non-Gujratis with substantial number of Muslims.

The Russian Revolution of 1914 spurted national movements against colonial rule. The British brought Gandhi back to India to sabotage Indian national movement against British rule. The congress Party dominated by Gandhi was set up under the patronage of the British authorities. The ``apostle of peace`` urged the Indian people to support the British by enlisting in the army during World War I. In his letter he wrote to the Viceroy in1930, he said, `` One of his reason for launching the Civil Disobedient Movement is to contain the violence of revolutionaries.``

On the advice of white promoters of Gandhi, black clergy and civil rights leaders traveled to India to seek Gandhi’s advice about solving the problem of segregation and civil rights of blacks. How little did they know that Gandhi regarded the black people slightly above the animal level? Moreover, they were ignorant of the fact that caste system was originally imposed, as racial discrimination (Varna Ashrama Dharma) similar to the Apartheid system, on the black natives of India by their Caucasian conquerors. But later on due to emergence of new racial groups due to miscegenation between the two groups, Varna Ashrama Dharma evolved into caste system tied to hereditary occupations. Untouchabilty is as integral a part of Hindu faith as anti- Semitism of the Nazis. It is noteworthy that not a single black leader met Dr. B. R. Ambedkar – M. A. and Ph.D. degrees from Columbia University, M.Sc. and D.Sc. degrees from London University and Bar-at-Law from Grey’s Inn, London - who was the undisputed leader of the Untouchables at that time. Gandhi propaganda machine manipulated the visit of black leaders, as it did not want them to find truth about Gandhi’s views on the caste system. ``I believe in Varnashrama (caste system) which is the law of life. The law of Varna (color and / or caste) is nothing but the law of conservation of energy. Why should my son not be scavenger if I am one? He, Shudra (lowest caste) may not be called a Brahmin (uppermost caste), though he (Shudra) may have all the qualities of a Brahmin in this birth. And it is a good thing for him (Shudra) not to arrogate a Varna (caste) to which he is not born. It is a sign of true humility.``

In 1921, Gandhi delivered violent speeches inciting racial hatred against the British. During bloody demonstrations and riots against the visit of Prince of Wales, William Francis Doherty, an American citizen working in Bombay was murdered. Gandhi personally got involved in the cover up of this gruesome murder through bribery and intimidation, as he was concerned that the details of this murder would tarnish Gandhi’s image in the West.

It is a cruel joke and one of the biggest fabrications of the twentieth century that Gandhi won Indian freedom without spilling a drop of blood. The truth is that it was the devastating effect of World War II that forced the British government to dismantle its Colonial Empire. Moreover, it was Gandhi and his Hindu dominated Congress party that engineered the partition of the country on communal lines, as the Muslim dominant states stood in the way of high caste Hindus to set up their Ram Raj (mythical Hindu kingdom) based on caste ideology. Additionally, the Partition of India in 1947 is one of the major upheavals of the twentieth century. In the State of Punjab alone, 11-12 million people lost their homes and hearths where their ancestors had lived for centuries. May be as many as one million people perished in the communal frenzy and thousands of young women were kidnapped while Gandhi was reciting the murderous sermons from his favorite scripture – Bhagvad Gita. He kept insisting up to the last moment that the country would be partitioned only over his dead body!

The ascetic in loincloth used to sleep in buff with naked young girls to perform experiments to test his celibacy. Dr. Sushila Nayar told Ved Mehta that she used to sleep with Gandhi as she regarded him as a Hindu god. The man, who had taken vow of poverty, demanded and got even in jail the same comforts enjoyed by British high officials in India.

The ``apostle of peace,`` who counseled a Jewish delegation`` to oppose the evil of Nazism by ``soul force`` - by committing mass suicide, was all praise for annexing Kashmir by armed aggression.

He told his Sikh followers that rusty sword is useless in the age of Atom Bomb. The development of nuclear weapons by India - a country that ranks among the poorest in the world and is near the bottom of human development index chart of the United Nations – exposes the real face of the ``absolute pacifist`` and the nation that calls him ``father.`` After all didn’t lord Krishna tell Arjana during the battle of Mahabharata ``Victory is truth.``

Although, the Indian people have started peeking at the man behind the mask of divinity, there is no let up in the perpetuation of Gandhi myth in the West, especially the United States.

G. B. Singh rightfully deserves the accolades for bringing out the truth about Gandhi from Gandhi’s own mouth.
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#779 Posted by MantoLives on October 9, 2005 7:35:57 am

The tale of a simple Mahatma...

lived in Birla house...

jailed in Agha Khan`s palace....


``Millions are spent to keep Gandhi in poverty`` Sarojini Naidu, close confidante of Mr Gandhi.
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#778 Posted by Edge on October 9, 2005 7:35:45 am
Yeah ...Gandhi was such a racist that he was a role model to Martin Luther King JNR and Nelson Mandela....
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#776 Posted by friend on October 9, 2005 7:34:19 am
Behram akalmand
You stated
``
#152 by behram1 on October 4, 2005 8:22pm PT

Re: # 129

Dear Yasser,

I have high regards of your knowledge and understanding on these (Jinnah/Gandhi) debates. And that is why I would like to read your thoughts on why the Jews were so vehemently against Gandhi.

Some years ago, when the movie Gandhi came out in the US, one of my co-workers, a Jewish person, got me some reading materials (almost 23 pages long) that was totally anti-Gandhi. Today, I do not remember all the details of that article.

I remain curious to know the reasons behind this almost universal hatred of the Jews towards Gandhi.

Respectfully submitted,

Behram B. Atashband
``


I also wonder about same
Famous palestian muslim Simon Peres of Israel stated
When I ask him to nominate the world leader he most admires Peres cites Gandhi. ``I think there are two outstanding leaders in the last 2-300 years. There was Napoleon and there was Gandhi. One had the military strength and the other, the moral strength. Gandhi didn`t have armies, he didn`t have nations, he went to fight single handedly; naked with his moral conscience. And I think he did better than Napoleon did. So between the two, I believe that Gandhi exemplifies the future and Napoleon, the unfortunate past.``


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#808 Posted by Netizen on October 9, 2005 1:27:07 pm
Re: # 776

i think it was related to gandhis oopposition of jewish violence/occupation against the paliestinians. that was the basis of jewish hatred for gandhi as he didn`t support their cause.
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#807 Posted by Netizen on October 9, 2005 1:27:05 pm
Re: # 776

i think it was related to gandhis oopposition of jewish violence/occupation against the paliestinians. that was the basis of jewish hatred for gandhi as he didn`t support their cause.
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#775 Posted by Edge on October 9, 2005 7:34:03 am
``Meanwhile Harijan leader Ambedkar: Gandhi is the worst enemy of the untouchables.``



And at around the same time , Albert Einstein claimed Gandhi was the `greatest man ever to walk the face of the earth`.....

A little later , young men such as Nelson Mandela and Martin Luther King JNR , took inspiration from MK Gandhi and led movements for rights of colored people in their respective countries...

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#774 Posted by MantoLives on October 9, 2005 7:33:21 am

Moral of the story: Gandhi was not racist because he did his own spinning.
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#771 Posted by MantoLives on October 9, 2005 7:30:42 am
Yes...

The hypocrite Mahatma also tried to help Afghanistan make a claim on NWFP after

If we are not going to get it... you are not either...

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#768 Posted by MantoLives on October 9, 2005 7:27:16 am
Gandhi in ``Harijan`` colony


Meanwhile Harijan leader Ambedkar: Gandhi is the worst enemy of the untouchables.
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