Gandhi in The Handmaid’s Tale

Re: # 1132

``So, somehow you feel alright to degrade our sacred Atash Behram? ``

how many more lies, behram. where have i degraded your sacred fire?

``Jadav rana promised that we will be like sugar and that we will mix with the society at large. He never promised to give away Zarathushtra`s cherished ``Good Thoughts, Good Words, and Good Deeds`` principle. He never gave away the main principle of fighting evil away from life.``

mor am i claiming that. do you have reading comprehension problems?

``Hatred of one community is what I am questioning, and that is what Gandhi lovers are always promoting. ``

behram, i don`t know whats going on in your mind. calling gandhi woman-hater, in-authentic, with no integrity is questioning hatred w for a community? who is promoting hatred towards a community, we are asking for the facts about gandhi being a male chauvinist, racist, castiest.

``If my comments, hurts you,``
i am just frustated with your imbecile responses.

``but you have to see that Jinnah never wanted this type of Pakistan and that is what Yasser has been fighting all along.``

good for you and him but that doesn`t mean you call gandhi a despicabl foulmouthed person and question his integrity without any facts. does calling gandhi names makes pakistan a better place for minorities. you are yourself blinded by hatred for gandhi even claiming that he is not relevant today without knowing that secular india is a legacy of gandhi not jinnah. i have posted seceral articels about gandhis view on dalits, women, jew have you read any of them.
do you think by calling gandhi names, minorities will be safe in pak?

``but I would never scoop to such levels of intellectual bankruptcy that you are in at the moment. ``

whatever behram. you go ahead call gandhi whatever you want that will definitely leave you safe in pakistan.

Re: # 1135

Dear Netizen:

I am sorry. I must clarify this [where have i degraded your sacred fire?]. It was not you. It was that other Gandhi lover, who is supposedly a failure as a Doctor who suggested degrading words towards Atash Behram. You, somehow, got involved in the firing line.

[how many more lies] If you know anything about Parsis, we never lie. I certainly never lie. So, please accept my sincere apologies.

[do you have reading comprehension problems?] No, I have no reading comprehension problems? It seems that you want to figure out what problems others have first. Is that how you advance conversations? Right now we should be discussing about Gandhi`s inherent problem with women. That`s it. And not me.

[mor am i claiming that.] Then, why did you bring up the first Zoroastrian who landed at Surat. What is his relevance to Gandhi`s subject matter?

[i am just frustated with your imbecile responses.] Now, you are calling me imbecile. Do you know English?

[i don`t know whats going on in your mind. calling gandhi woman-hater, in-authentic, with no integrity is questioning hatred w for a community?] Again, your use of the word we....would bring my response of you, and then you will cry foul play.

Make up your mind? Who is this we? You (singular) or you (plural).

I never consider Gandhi as a male chauvinist. Heck, he did not have sex with his wife from the age 36. Now, that can not be a sexually active person. I still wonder why he slept with his grand daughters on the same bed. In the western society, they suggest that even infants should not sleep with their parents on the same bed.

[does calling gandhi names makes pakistan a better place for minorities.] No, absolutely not. Heck, Pakistan is not a safe place for most Pakistanis.

[secular india is a legacy of gandhi not jinnah] How does Jinnah come into picture in India? Secular India, yeah right! I would like to see the day when I see most of the untouchables given human dignity.

[gandhis view on dalits, women, jew have you read any of them.] No, of course not. Here I have to deal with so many idiotic posts, and continue responding to them. I have already spent over 5 hours on this utter nonsense.

[do you think by calling gandhi names, minorities will be safe in pak?] Why are you asking me the same question twice? I have already answered this once.

[you go ahead call gandhi whatever you want that will definitely leave you safe in pakistan.] I do not call Gandhi or anybody else anything. I do respond, however, to the air of superiority. I have always felt safe in Pakistan.

But, nevertheless, it was you who wanted to turn my arguments upside down. Was it not?

Continue the conversation. I enjoy responding to your post because I am laughing at the way we seem to be connected. Karma I suppose?

Respectfully submitted,

Behram B. Atashband

Re: # 1148

``Right now we should be discussing about Gandhi`s inherent problem with women.``

to cut the chase short, did you read kamat articel that i posted? what are your views on them?

you are saying gandhis inherent problem with women, isn`t?

please specify.


``Again, your use of the word we....would bring my response of you, and then you will cry foul play. ``

the alphabet ``w`` was a typo. there is no ``we`` there.

``How does Jinnah come into picture in India``

to mantos rantings about gandhi being a fascist hindu and jinnah being a secular person. even today gandhis principle of secularism is invoked for protection of minorities not jinnah. just look at pak, even shiah-sunnis are killing each other forget about the other communities.

``Secular India, yeah right! I would like to see the day when I see most of the untouchables given human dignity. `

so would i. but its better than a decade back and will only improve. atleast we don`t have a youhana being ``helped`` by his teammates to convert to islam.


``No, of course not. ``

thats the problem. go and read them.

``I do not call Gandhi or anybody else anything. I do respond, however, to the air of superiority. ``

you did call him despicable, foulmouthed person. now don`t deny it. or else you would be lying, which parsis don`t do, isn`t?

``I have always felt safe in Pakistan. ``

good for you. whats the point?

``But, nevertheless, it was you who wanted to turn my arguments upside down. Was it not? ``

yes, and i did. have you forgotten your response about how jinnah had integrity, then lost it and then got it back?

Re: # 1148
//....I have always felt safe in Pakistan....//

Of course you do - your anti-gandhi ``performance`` here has been spectacular - you kicked some serious gandhi-lover a$$es - so you will be just fine in pakiland.....

Pakistan ka matlab kya - la hilaya ila illaya [paraphrased]....

Re: # 1151

Dear mohar11:

By the Grace of Ahura Mazda I have done fine wherever I have been
[Of course you do - your anti-gandhi ``performance`` here has been spectacular - you kicked some serious gandhi-lover a$$es - so you will be just fine in pakiland.....] Remember to love the truth and only the absolute truth which resides only in you.

Thank you for the compliment.

Respectfully submitted,

Behram B. Atashband

Re: # 1172 behram
//...By the Grace of Ahura Mazda...//

Who is Ahura mazda?

The pictures tell you that the men and women around Gandhiji were there of their own free will and that this was no cult - there was no dress code and you could wear whatever you wanted. Whether Gandhiji was autocratic or not, he didn`t brainwash people into doing what they otherwise would not do. What distinguishes him from every other ordinary person is that deliberately and methodically transcended that ordinaryness. He didn`t have an imposing personality nor was he physically attractive as some astute pakistanis have observed. And yet people congretated around him because he was a natural leader. They trusted him to make hard decisions which he did. He also saw the freedom struggle as something bigger than simply exchanging one set of rulers for another. He wanted the individuals, the villages, the communities to be free in being able to determine their economic and social terms, and he wanted to congress party disbanded.
Even as intellectuals such as Nehru were eyeing socialism and big public projects as salvation for a poor and depleted nation, Gandhiji sought to revitalize self-governance at the local level and build a nation from the ground up. He was for decentralization whereas, in the aftermath of the Partition, pretty much every other bigwig wanted a strong, authoritarian central government.

re:#928 by behram1
Abey Berahm Aatish-e-gaand,
What have they done to u in Pukistan man?
You guys were O.K as long as u were in India.
Sridhar

re:#1017 by friend
Behram whaterver is a total nutcase. That happens to minorities if they live in Puki land.
Sridhar

Re: # 1114

Dear rsridhar:

Did you get that pakistani sugar cane to quelch the ``Atash`` in your ``gaand``. Or may be you need a bawa jis? Or do you want persian`s?

Stop your rubbish and learn how to be dignified.

Is it not true that Gandhi used to sleep with her grand daughters on the same bed? Whatever happened to his wife?

Utterly disguted with Gandhi lovers, but still will continue to submit respectfully,

re:#1065 by Beej
It is a pity that we even have to defend one of the greatest human beings who ever lived in the 20th century and that too with the Puki crowd of half witted morons. YLH belongs to a special category. May be Jinnah will one day resurface from the grave just to pat him on his back!
Sridhar

Re: # 1113

``It is a pity that we even have to defend one of the greatest human beings who ever lived in the 20th century and that too with the Puki crowd of half witted morons.``

hehehehe....hoo hoo hoo hoo...haa haa haa haa...!!!!

re:#1061 by Beej
Thanks again for those beautiful pictures. This one is particularly precious (i do not know what your sources are but they are fabulous). Lapierre mentions the words in his tribute to the Mahatma in his book Freedom at midnight. In case Indians on chowk did not read it, here is the version again in bigger print (written in the editorial page soon after Gandhiji`s death; the whole page except the tribute, was left blank):

Gandhi has been killed….
This second crucifixion in the history of the world
Has been enected on a Friday- the same day Jesus
Was done to death, one thousand nine hundred and fifteen years ago.
Father, forgive us!
Sridhar

re:#1067 by Mantolives
Regarding pix posted by Beej, here is my answer to your question:
There is none. Do u have a picture that shows jinnah was sleeping with his own sister. There is none. That does not mean it did not happen. The guy was a sex starved lunatic after his wife`s death.
Sridhar

To Pakistanis in Pakistan: Please go and do something for your countrymen in need. Collect food, volunteer your time for some relief work away from your home if you are not impacted.

To Pakistanis away from Pakistan: Go collect funds from your own folks or from general public at malls or whatever.

Your people need real help. Gandhi is not going anywhere, wherever he is. You can always argue with indians later. This match will never be over and you wont loose face if you dont respond.

Take care.

1067 expresses a historical query...

The wonderful picture show Beej subjected us to... shows Gandhi doing everything from going to the bathroom to leading prayer meetings...

As I have not seen the whole thing ... is there any picture which shows him standing next to a person of African origin? We know there were several of those in India ... This is a historical query because such a claim has been made... and I want to verify it.

Ordinarily it would be of no significance... but given his views on racial purity and sub-human status of the Black race, gandhi`s picture assumes immense importance...