Ramzaan Mubarak

fuzair #34 thanks…will keep you informed

dost #37 bhai yeh kya suggest ker rahay haiN aap…;)…replacing 29/30 with 52!

_digit #39 ah zafar…haven’t met him in over 15 years…one of the first functions i attended here .. at York U was organised by lateef owaisi and zafar bangash (then an engineer by profession)…later on my friend and mentor q-sahib introduced me to them and i ended up doing regular columns for their fortnightly…that ended when zafar fell under the influence of late dr. kalim siddiuqui and his muslim institute…they censored a couple of my columns (contrary to my understanding with them)…questioning the policies of ayatollah khoimeini…i heard he heads an islami centre up north now…

hamzad #47 my sloppiness!…not feigning ignorance…

M-J temporal3@gmail

my apologies for the late responses...been slightly preoccupied....

Sattar #18 precisely my point….the misplaced emphasis

hamidm# 25 yaar yeh ramzaan bhi guzar jaigee…

azzerism wonderful post!

Perhaps the distinction to be made here is between a ritual and a value. The ritual is to go through the motions, like not eating, smoking, or drinking, saying all the prayers. The values are the ones that you have articulated ``piety``, ``patience``, ``tolerance``, ``empathy``, ``community`` and ``purification``. These are universal values and encouraged by good people in all religions. Why would we muslim sacrifice these values and settle for mere rituals is beyond me.

aisha #28 … I don’t know how comfortable you are in urdu. There is a book in Urdu that I would recommend.

Islam – Deen e AasaaN ( Islam Al Din al usar)
Published by Idara e Saqafat e Islamia circa 1970
Author Maulana Jafar Shah

The Maulana Sahib’s book is an eye opener. If he were alive today he would have met violent death at the hands of intolerant bigots.

Netizen...

I don`t know what ``when gandhi became the Mahatma`` means... but please note that this board HAS nothing to do with gandhi.

Please revisit my supposedly thousands of posts on that racist casteist bigot Gandhi to check the statement.

Janab temporal sahib,

aap ki dergaahe aaliya per mujhe aap ki rasaai ka waseela dastiyaab nahin ho saka. barahe karam kisi asaan raaste se murhamat ferma dain.

kher-andaish,
J

`Most people feign lip service`

Lip service itself is feigning substance/sincerity. FEIGNING LIP SERVICE will border somewhere along `pretending to be fake`..

Overall, sappy blabber desperate to be wistful. Temporal, predictabley, suffers from a background and/or companionship of hopelessly mediocre idiots.This is probably the attempt to stay ahead of that pack. Good effort and keep it up!

Juicy Water Melons.

ramzaan aata hai, ramzaan jaata hai, and people living in podunk, USA don`t even notice until a relative calls and tells us it`s eid

we send a check to edhi every month, and an extra bakra or two is murdered under our names because our mothers and mothers in law feel guilty that their son and daughter are iman-less

so who had what at your Iftaar?

also, do you invite non-muslims or non-fasters at your Iftaar? Or is it only for fasting Muslims? How do you find out who fasted?

We lived next to this old couple once, at Iftaar they would open their apartment`s door to ``let the angels in``, and all the kids in the building of ALL ages would rush over, go directly to their dining table, wow what a table, it looked like a palace feast... delicious cakes, pastries, sandwiches without the ugly edges, samosas, those little stars made outta rice. sigh. I went a few times and came back with a stuffed face. When Ma found out she gave me a hiding. Said those people don`t have enough to eat for themselves and they let you urchins eat their whole month`s store in one day.

Also... please disabuse yourself of the notion that I have run away from your posts on Gandhi articles... they were just not worth my time.

Re: # 41


sorry for the digression guys but i need to remind manto of some questions here:

1. naidus remarks on gandhi attitude on women

2. gandhis ``racial`` remark on blacks after he became mahatma

3. the meaning behind ``millions spent to keep mahatma poor``


after lambasting gandhi as racist/castiest/male chavunist, you are toning down to ``one-side of the coin`` theory?


``they were just not worth my time. ``

hahahaha......
i guess you had a lot of worthless time to post 1000+ posts over several months on gandhi.

``And the sun rises and sets in your... ``

i will excuse you this time as several people have taken liberties with you.

get back soon on gandhi board with replies.

``but it has definitely left you discredited. ``

How easily you discredit me ... your ramblings remind me of the case of the Black Knight from Holy Grail (Monty Python). It might come as a surprise to you but not all positions taken by Pakistani no 1 are also the positions of Pakistani no 2.

So yes... you`ve discredited me. And the sun rises and sets in your...

temporal,

Would you believe at Zafar Bangash`s masjid...honest :-)

Of course, the focus was on being a good Muslim...there`s no such thing as an Insaan (not how you define it at least). That beast is a myth...

But yes, the whole be ``good`` during Ramadan, and forget the rest of the year attitude is commonly referred to as being a ``Ramadan`` Muslim, and it wasn`t the first time I`ve heard such a sermon...

Ramzan is a fairly common name in Pakistan. Most Ramzans that I have come across are in restaurant and catering areas - Bawarchis (restaurant/Kitchen workers). However, I have never heard of any Ramzan politician, or any famous athlete (cricket, hockey, soccer, etc.). I find it ironic that a name associated with fasting is given to people who work in food industry.

temporal saheb:

Ramzaan, or rather the philosophy behind it, comes across as one of the noblest elements of Islam. If it were open to ijtehad -which I know it isn`t- your objective of 7/24/365 insaan could perhaps be better served by making it once-a-week instead of a whole month thing; the closer spacing would give a better chance of not forgetting the philosophy behind fasting. But then, it would mean having an Eid every week, too!

Ramzaan Mubarak

Apologies again for the digression:

Temporal Sahib:
Some books that seem to come close to what you were referring to are:

Sugata Bose, Peasant Labour and Colonial Capital: Rural Bengal since 1770 (Cambridge: 1993)
Sugata Bose, Agrarian Bengal: Economy, Social Structure, and Politics (Cambridge: 1986)
Sushil Chaudhuri, From Prosperity to Decline: Eighteenth Century Bengal (Dehli: 1995)

Might also try
Anil Chandra Banerjee, The Agrarian System of Bengal 1582-1793 (Calcutta: 1980)

You can also check out this (definitive?) bibliography on Indian history
http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~dludden/bibessay.htm

I think Bose is your best bet; IIRC he is a Marxist (which irrevocably biases his analysis: everything has to fit that straight-jacket!) and has written along the lines you suggested. Hope this helps.

Regards.

Re: # 34

And every other writer remains agenda-less?

Or has agendas that dont ``straight jacket``?

what a quaint notion...