Turks: The Bad Part

Fenasi,
I have noticed that ever since 9/11 there has been a rapid decline in support for Pakistan among many Turks. They see Pakistan as a blight on the name of Islam and Muslims. Turks are sick of the bearded, nasty, in-your-face Islamists from Pakistan, who make it their business to tell all Muslims how to be good Muslims - just like their masters, the Saudis. It is sad to see this new sense of dislike for Paki behavior - at the same time, it appears that Turks are admiring India for its economic performance, its democratic ways, and secular environment. Just leave it to Pakis to turn off their most ardent supporters.

i had the fortune of having many turki friends in the us...so much so that i even understood some of their language and attended several turki expat functions. only thing natinalistic about them was they spoke turki amongst them..indians would NEVER do that (we would speak hindi and english mix). as a result i learned a lot of turkish..i even know how to say i wanna pee.

we did not have any paki grad students but one bangali beardo, who always tried to pursuade the turki girls to be good muslimas and not to go swimming with us (boys) and keep rozas etc. turks i knew were very friendly to indians and generally had a great impression..but my mates were the grad-school types (both hard sciences and liberal arts types). they were slightly lefty and had some amount of amrica-phobia..they felt amrica uses their land for operating NATO bases and its uncool. many came from middle-class background..kids of civil-servants and some were civil-servants on some kind of scam scholarships, and their middle-class seemed to have same kind of living style and standard as indian middle-class based on pictures and discriptions.

did not notice any bigotary.. but alrhough they were civil to the greeks, they were not friendly with them, inspite of common food and booze.

Re: # 80 {I do however support your right to write as you please and to proclaim your envy of the nation that hosted you for seven years}

What envy?
Ethnically, I am half-Turkish afterall. Even if I wasn`t, why envy?

#83, Fenasi,
The point I am making is that a lot of your complaints about the Turks` behavior is of the ``sour grapes`` sort. You accuse them of tyring to be European - FYI, Thrace is in Europe. You accuse Kemal Pasha of all sorts of cultural destruction, the fact is that his efforts raised literacy in Turkey. You accuse Turks of being racist, the fact is that Turks are among the most diverse people in terms of race - Mongoloid, Semitic, Roman, Slavic, Hellenistic, and even some African descendants, live among them. You accuse them of being colonizers of Arab lands, the fact is that they did not settle the Arab provinces with Turks. However, it is your article and you have every right to express your personal opinion. I do support your right and please allow me to disagree with your generalizations.

An absorbing article.
In a lighter vein, talking of Turks, I remember a friend commenting that the only good Turk is a dead one.

#85, Muqaddam, {``In a lighter vein, talking of Turks, I remember a friend commenting that the only good Turk is a dead one. ``}

On a serious note, have you heard what some English people say about Pakis? :)

This article is further proof of the excellent brotherly relations between Turks and Pakis. I am sorry to sound like a stupid Turko-Pak communique, but the real feelings have surfaced on this anonymous forum. Another rich hunting ground for Indian foreign policy architects - reestablish the alliance that existed between the old Mughal and Ottoman empires, only this time it will be the two secular democracies separated by a theocracy and an autocracy in between.

Mr/Mrs Fenasi
you said this about Pathans
`Pathans classify themselves as Pathans first, Muslim second and Pakistanis third`
which I totally agree with.

and ENCARTA (Netral, remember?) has this to say for Sindhis.

``Sindhis constitute 13 percent of the population of Pakistan. Their traditional homeland is the province of Sind, where they maintain the country’s largest concentration of large landholdings. Sindhis are a predominantly rural people. They have a strong sense of linguistic and cultural pride and identity. They have a rich literary and folk tradition and prefer to read and write in their own language, Sindhi.``

and we know Urdu speaking people speak URDU! so what are we left with? Punjabis, by far the most benign and broadminded people, who have taken up the national language and speak it with pride but I wonder why they are so often accused(wrongly ofcoruse) of being Punjabi-patriots whereas they are the least nationalists among all the ethnic groups in Pakistan.

Those who copy our flag now have the nerve to judge us. There is much more to nationhood than merely copying the flag of another nation. You must also copy their qualities.

Turks Turks -- Turks are thousands times better than these Afghan Talibani baastards -- no wonder Ataturk had to force secularism by his rifle`s nozzle thru the Muslim`s throat overnight -- listen to this Afghan creature who calls himself a `JUDGE`:

``The Prophet Muhammad has said several times that those who convert from Islam should be killed if they refuse to come back,`` says Ansarullah Mawlafizada, the trial judge.

``Islam is a religion of peace, tolerance, kindness and integrity. That is why we have told him if he regrets what he did, then we will forgive him,`` he told the BBC News website.``

where is that incompetent sob Bush -- HE NEEDS TO REINVADE those goddam Kabuliwalas.....one more time.....

that Afghani peakock kook karzai has to klean HIS goddam medieval Justice Ministry -- infested with illiterate diehard Taliban vermins parading as judges -- and leave that Christian Convert Rahman alone --

otherwise the two-eyed Mulla better buy a motor cycle ready to flee Kabul.....because my tax dollars will not be wasted on the another fundamentalist Afghanistan to exchange one medievalism for another....

it`s amazing -- for these Islamist morons -- ``Islam is a religion of peace, tolerance, kindness `` -- that Kills with Kindness, Tolerance -- gives eternal `peace` -- to Muslims who convert to Christianity -- while no Christian is killed for accepting Islam -- ``a religion of peace, tolerance, kindness AND integrity`` -- `the fastest growing religion` -- in the United States.....

......some integrity....

hasan

the LAW for the Muslims from the NEW Afghanistani Supreme Court is as follows:

Afghani Islam will Kill you with Kindness -- Torture you with Tolerance -- and provide you with a Premature Permanent Peace -- in the after-life -- if you don`t like or are not satisfied with your Afghani Islam and want to try Buddhism, Hinduism, Sikhism, Judiasm,

or experiment with Jesus as ur savior instead of Mohammed......for a change

You will be FORCED to LIVE with the LAWS of the Real Religion of the newly liberated -- Karzai`s Afghanistan -- Talibani PAGANISM ...

.....and you are stuck with it and with its.....``peace, tolerance, kindness and integrity``.....for life.

watch out for the turks...(warnings on irrational exuberance on turkish economy)

http://www.theglobalist.com/storyid.aspx?StoryId=5199

well -- what do you know -- today Christian convert Mr. Rahman is to be released from his Islamic jail -- his trial judge Anasrullah Maulvizada -- who was going to kill him for converting to Christianity NOW says the following:

``Supreme Court Judge Ansarullah Mawlavizada told the BBC there was considerable doubt that Mr. Rahman was fit to stand trial. According to Judge Mawlavizada, Mr Rahman appeared ``disturbed``.``

well if it won`t sound inappropritate -- one would like to say that not Mr. Rahman but that Maulviharamzada or whatever his last name is -- he is the one who appeared quite ``disturbed`` to the point of acting `insane` -- passing the `Kill the Kristian` sentnence even before the trial -- and he should be `released` from the judgeship of his own medieval prison called the Talibani Supremee Court of Afghanistan.....as well.

#73 by Mantolives on March 20, 2006 8:41pm PT
Kemal Ataturk was a great man and a hero for all of Islamic World.... he ushered the Muslim world into an era of Republican democracy and modernised Turkey...

Pakistanis who are bashing Kemal Ataturk must know that Muslim League used to commemorate Ataturk on November 18 ... as ``Kemal Day``... and his wonderful successor... the great Ismet Inonu was a close confidant of our young republic...