Hiren K Bose October 18, 2005
#1 Posted by shockthemonk on October 18, 2005 1:25:48 am
This reminds me of this film I saw sometime ago, its name is not clear. But Hiren watch Sybil, which I think is a classic in terms of analysing life with a schizo.
#2 Posted by chippalkattigop on October 18, 2005 1:39:35 am
devrai is akin to sita lands.these pastures were reserved in ancient india. cinema and journalism both are becoming the intimate interfaces between experiences. sooner or later we all will have a web inside our brain function itself where sensa will float free and fast. the dysfunction dealt with in devrai i earnestly hope will then become a minor irritant to be removed by some biomedic easily. reviews will come (i mean emerge in brains instantly alongwith the docudrama )and will be commented upon instantanuously.
gopal
gopal
#3 Posted by hiren on October 18, 2005 1:43:38 am
Re: # 1
hello
would be interested to know more about sybil.
hiren
hello
would be interested to know more about sybil.
hiren
#4 Posted by theedge on October 18, 2005 4:32:10 am
I don`t want to hurt your situation, but as a literary piece you could have made this better. But then anything can be made better.
chippalkattigop, what are you babbling about, bhaya? All what you said sounded very interesting, but just couldn`t get it, know what I mean?
chippalkattigop, what are you babbling about, bhaya? All what you said sounded very interesting, but just couldn`t get it, know what I mean?
#5 Posted by datakino on October 18, 2005 7:20:18 am
Few REASONS YOU MUST SEE ‘DEVRAI’
1. ‘Devrai’ is not your run-of-the-mill Marathi film. ‘Devrai’ is a must see Indian film.
2. ‘Devrai’ had Atul Kulkarni winning awards against international competition for his outstanding performance in the film – Special Jury Award and Technical Excellence Award.
3. ‘Devrai’ swept the Star Screen Awards by winning all four awards in the Marathi section – Best Film, Best Director, Best Actor and Best Actress. ‘Devrai’ also won the Best Story and Best Actor awards at the Alpha Gaurav awards, and was nominated for Best Film, Best Director, Best Actress and Best Cinematography.
4. ‘Devrai’ comes to you from the international award winning director duo – Sumitra Bhave and Sunil Sukthankar.
5. ‘Devrai’ has a powerhouse cast lead by Atul Kulkarni, Sonali Kulkarni, Dr. Mohan Agashe, Tushar Dalvi, Renuka Daftardar and others.
6. ‘Devrai’ has been highly praised by both Marathi and non-Marathi press.
7. ‘Devrai’ is counted amongst ‘gems from Marathi cinema’.
8. ‘Devrai’ is an entertaining human drama demystifying schizophrenia.
1. ‘Devrai’ is not your run-of-the-mill Marathi film. ‘Devrai’ is a must see Indian film.
2. ‘Devrai’ had Atul Kulkarni winning awards against international competition for his outstanding performance in the film – Special Jury Award and Technical Excellence Award.
3. ‘Devrai’ swept the Star Screen Awards by winning all four awards in the Marathi section – Best Film, Best Director, Best Actor and Best Actress. ‘Devrai’ also won the Best Story and Best Actor awards at the Alpha Gaurav awards, and was nominated for Best Film, Best Director, Best Actress and Best Cinematography.
4. ‘Devrai’ comes to you from the international award winning director duo – Sumitra Bhave and Sunil Sukthankar.
5. ‘Devrai’ has a powerhouse cast lead by Atul Kulkarni, Sonali Kulkarni, Dr. Mohan Agashe, Tushar Dalvi, Renuka Daftardar and others.
6. ‘Devrai’ has been highly praised by both Marathi and non-Marathi press.
7. ‘Devrai’ is counted amongst ‘gems from Marathi cinema’.
8. ‘Devrai’ is an entertaining human drama demystifying schizophrenia.
#6 Posted by datakino on October 18, 2005 7:20:55 am
Few REASONS YOU MUST SEE ‘DEVRAI’
1. ‘Devrai’ is not your run-of-the-mill Marathi film. ‘Devrai’ is a must see Indian film.
2. ‘Devrai’ had Atul Kulkarni winning awards against international competition for his outstanding performance in the film – Special Jury Award and Technical Excellence Award.
3. ‘Devrai’ swept the Star Screen Awards by winning all four awards in the Marathi section – Best Film, Best Director, Best Actor and Best Actress. ‘Devrai’ also won the Best Story and Best Actor awards at the Alpha Gaurav awards, and was nominated for Best Film, Best Director, Best Actress and Best Cinematography.
4. ‘Devrai’ comes to you from the international award winning director duo – Sumitra Bhave and Sunil Sukthankar.
5. ‘Devrai’ has a powerhouse cast lead by Atul Kulkarni, Sonali Kulkarni, Dr. Mohan Agashe, Tushar Dalvi, Renuka Daftardar and others.
6. ‘Devrai’ has been highly praised by both Marathi and non-Marathi press.
7. ‘Devrai’ is counted amongst ‘gems from Marathi cinema’.
8. ‘Devrai’ is an entertaining human drama demystifying schizophrenia.
1. ‘Devrai’ is not your run-of-the-mill Marathi film. ‘Devrai’ is a must see Indian film.
2. ‘Devrai’ had Atul Kulkarni winning awards against international competition for his outstanding performance in the film – Special Jury Award and Technical Excellence Award.
3. ‘Devrai’ swept the Star Screen Awards by winning all four awards in the Marathi section – Best Film, Best Director, Best Actor and Best Actress. ‘Devrai’ also won the Best Story and Best Actor awards at the Alpha Gaurav awards, and was nominated for Best Film, Best Director, Best Actress and Best Cinematography.
4. ‘Devrai’ comes to you from the international award winning director duo – Sumitra Bhave and Sunil Sukthankar.
5. ‘Devrai’ has a powerhouse cast lead by Atul Kulkarni, Sonali Kulkarni, Dr. Mohan Agashe, Tushar Dalvi, Renuka Daftardar and others.
6. ‘Devrai’ has been highly praised by both Marathi and non-Marathi press.
7. ‘Devrai’ is counted amongst ‘gems from Marathi cinema’.
8. ‘Devrai’ is an entertaining human drama demystifying schizophrenia.
#7 Posted by jawahara on October 18, 2005 8:00:55 am
#1 shockthemonk: Sybil was not about schizophrenia. Sybil (starring Sally Field with Joanne Woodward as her therapist) was a story about MPD (multiple personality disorder), two very different ailments. While Sybil was a great movie it was certainly not about schizophrenia, a distinctly different illness. It was based on a true story and the actual case was the first well-known and well-documented instance of MPD in the medical field.
#8 Posted by Bina_Shah on October 18, 2005 8:03:29 am
It`s schizophrenic, not schizophreniac (sorry, I studied psychology for too long to let this one go by!)
#9 Posted by drlokraj on October 18, 2005 8:30:47 am
I met Mohan Agashe in January while attending National Conference of Psychiatrists.He had few copies of the movie, but were sold off beofre I met him, but he told in detail about the picture and the efforts put into it.The main aim of the movie being education of people and an effort at destigmatizing the disease. Mental health professionals have been struggling with the problem of dealing with the stigma attached with psychiatric illnesses in particular and schizophrenia in particular.
About the title of this article.....I wrote twice on this board,somehow it did not come up.
There is no term as ``schizophreniac``. Even the term ``schizophrenic`` is avoided now-a-days,because it is like labelling a person,which can prove to be more harmful than the disease itself.It is better to call it as ``person suffering from schizophrenia``.
As for the role of the family, this has been proven beyonddoubt by international,transclutural studies that the outcome of schizophrenia in Indian subcontinent is significantly better than west because of the role family plays in the treatment and rehabilitation. Family does not disown a diseased person in the subcontinent--be it physical illness or mental illness. The scenario in west is quite bad in this respect.
About the title of this article.....I wrote twice on this board,somehow it did not come up.
There is no term as ``schizophreniac``. Even the term ``schizophrenic`` is avoided now-a-days,because it is like labelling a person,which can prove to be more harmful than the disease itself.It is better to call it as ``person suffering from schizophrenia``.
As for the role of the family, this has been proven beyonddoubt by international,transclutural studies that the outcome of schizophrenia in Indian subcontinent is significantly better than west because of the role family plays in the treatment and rehabilitation. Family does not disown a diseased person in the subcontinent--be it physical illness or mental illness. The scenario in west is quite bad in this respect.
#10 Posted by temporal on October 18, 2005 10:06:01 am
J # 7:
i was about to say that when i read your post:)
the two movies that leap up right away are bergman`s `through a glass darkly` and ron howards `a beautiful mind` ( a close third would be hunter’s ‘the saint of fort washington’)
Hiren:
thanks...will watch this
drlokraj:
...just an observation...we desis tend to take the cake when it comes to denial...physical, mental, spiritual...
i was about to say that when i read your post:)
the two movies that leap up right away are bergman`s `through a glass darkly` and ron howards `a beautiful mind` ( a close third would be hunter’s ‘the saint of fort washington’)
Hiren:
thanks...will watch this
drlokraj:
...just an observation...we desis tend to take the cake when it comes to denial...physical, mental, spiritual...
#11 Posted by drlokraj on October 18, 2005 10:30:08 am
drlokraj:
...just an observation...we desis tend to take the cake when it comes to denial...physical, mental, spiritual
Temporal bhai,
can you make it more clear?
...just an observation...we desis tend to take the cake when it comes to denial...physical, mental, spiritual
Temporal bhai,
can you make it more clear?
#12 Posted by temporal on October 18, 2005 12:23:12 pm
Drlokraj:
bhai saheb .. let me not go on a litany of what ails us desis…what afflicts us…and how we tend to become more superstitious as a result…
in simpler terms…instead of acknowledging a mental ailment it is easier to blame it on a ghosts and other ghostly factors ( denial)…in a certain sense it starts off early…mothers encouraging phobias in their children… ‘andhaira ho gaya hay, wahaN mut khailo, wahaaN jinn bhoot haiN’…or the instilling of the idea of ‘khauf’…
(try asking a kid to explain what is ‘durr’… arey bhaee agar aap ko durr lugta hay tou humain batai’yay durr kya hay?’)
of course a lot of psychosis (and neurosis) in desis can be attributed to lack of education resulting in lack of awareness, late detection and timely treatment…aapko tO yeh sub pata hee hoga
rgds
t
bhai saheb .. let me not go on a litany of what ails us desis…what afflicts us…and how we tend to become more superstitious as a result…
in simpler terms…instead of acknowledging a mental ailment it is easier to blame it on a ghosts and other ghostly factors ( denial)…in a certain sense it starts off early…mothers encouraging phobias in their children… ‘andhaira ho gaya hay, wahaN mut khailo, wahaaN jinn bhoot haiN’…or the instilling of the idea of ‘khauf’…
(try asking a kid to explain what is ‘durr’… arey bhaee agar aap ko durr lugta hay tou humain batai’yay durr kya hay?’)
of course a lot of psychosis (and neurosis) in desis can be attributed to lack of education resulting in lack of awareness, late detection and timely treatment…aapko tO yeh sub pata hee hoga
rgds
t
#13 Posted by drlokraj on October 18, 2005 2:10:57 pm
#12, thanks for the mail.
I am not going to explain these factors in detail here, because thats a subject of Psychiatry and taught to post graduate students.
What you are refering to is not denial, it is lack of education. Denial is refusal to accept something while knowing fully about it.
I have worked in East as well as West......the difference ,which stands out is that inspite of lack of resources and lack of awareness about scientific knowledge about the causation of mental disorders, the eastern countries are much better off in this aspect.............be it psychosis, neurosis,personality disorders or drug and alcohol dependence..........and the difference is because of the family system and the relationships, and values and the culture.
The precipitant of mental disorders in the desis settled abroad is the trauma of migration or cultural shock or in other words, inability to assimilate themselves in the alien culture....also labelled as phenomenon of alienation....but that is entirely a different subject.
I am not going to explain these factors in detail here, because thats a subject of Psychiatry and taught to post graduate students.
What you are refering to is not denial, it is lack of education. Denial is refusal to accept something while knowing fully about it.
I have worked in East as well as West......the difference ,which stands out is that inspite of lack of resources and lack of awareness about scientific knowledge about the causation of mental disorders, the eastern countries are much better off in this aspect.............be it psychosis, neurosis,personality disorders or drug and alcohol dependence..........and the difference is because of the family system and the relationships, and values and the culture.
The precipitant of mental disorders in the desis settled abroad is the trauma of migration or cultural shock or in other words, inability to assimilate themselves in the alien culture....also labelled as phenomenon of alienation....but that is entirely a different subject.
#14 Posted by temporal on October 18, 2005 3:00:29 pm
#13:
janab:
What you are refering to is not denial, it is lack of education. Denial is refusal to accept something while knowing fully about it.
in my mind we are in a grey area...here is a definition i’d lean more to:
“denial, in psychology, an ego defense mechanism that operates unconsciously to resolve emotional conflict, and to allay anxiety by refusing to perceive the more unpleasant aspects of external reality.”
and this:
…inspite of lack of resources and lack of awareness about scientific knowledge about the causation of mental disorders, the eastern countries are much better off in this aspect.............be it psychosis, neurosis,personality disorders or drug and alcohol dependence..........and the difference is because of the family system and the relationships, and values and the culture…
ok!…let me say it is not denial ( as I say) in the east but lack of education (as you put it)…even then i would find this claim of yours a little hard to digest…
…in the east more of these conditions are swept under the rug or mis-diagnosed and mistreated…(based on personal and anecodtal narrations)
...but then you are the expert in the field!
rgds
t
janab:
What you are refering to is not denial, it is lack of education. Denial is refusal to accept something while knowing fully about it.
in my mind we are in a grey area...here is a definition i’d lean more to:
“denial, in psychology, an ego defense mechanism that operates unconsciously to resolve emotional conflict, and to allay anxiety by refusing to perceive the more unpleasant aspects of external reality.”
and this:
…inspite of lack of resources and lack of awareness about scientific knowledge about the causation of mental disorders, the eastern countries are much better off in this aspect.............be it psychosis, neurosis,personality disorders or drug and alcohol dependence..........and the difference is because of the family system and the relationships, and values and the culture…
ok!…let me say it is not denial ( as I say) in the east but lack of education (as you put it)…even then i would find this claim of yours a little hard to digest…
…in the east more of these conditions are swept under the rug or mis-diagnosed and mistreated…(based on personal and anecodtal narrations)
...but then you are the expert in the field!
rgds
t
#15 Posted by hiren on October 19, 2005 12:14:10 am
i would have preferred a title something like ``Twisted Realities`` for the same. while filing the article it didn`t occur to me. And left it to the discretion of the editors.
#16 Posted by hiren on October 19, 2005 12:14:32 am
i would have preferred a title something like ``Twisted Realities`` for the same. while filing the article it didn`t occur to me. And left it to the discretion of the editors.
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