And Dr. Shahid Hussain Bokhari Quits…

Re: # 76

Dear Zahra, you welcome. Are you stalking me?

I am all for healthy, nasty and malicious discussions to have all views heard. Often times, I feel that is not the case with Pakistani bulletin boards. I think Chowk is by far the most accommodating to diverse interests and povs. I hope it stays as such.

Re: # 68

......been saying that the Professor Sahib’s “better than thou” comportment is less than what “I” expect from teachers of his stature. To me it is self-serving pompous arrogance laced with condescension....]

I understand your point. But you give multiple twists in one para to cover yourself from all angles. That is an interesting way of handling a conversation.

[Your post also speaks very loud of pomposity, and my dear, my point was not to compare the Professors of Physics and Math to a high caliber research scientist. My point was somewhat different, which requires a functioning coconut to be understood.]

Being a genius, I am positive that you can handle both pompous and humble beings. Why whine? I am glad that we have a ``functioning coconut`` on board to explain the heavenly myths to many of us. Thank you for your kindness.

I have been reading some of your interacts on other boards with interest. It seems that Chowk has been blessed with an interesting conversationalist - witty but brazen. I am sure that you will keep many occupied and amused. Welcome!

Re: # 68

Zahra, I didn’t argue either about the merits of HEC, nor about how funding is disbursed. I have only been saying that the Professor Sahib’s “better than thou” comportment is less than what “I” expect from teachers of his stature. To me it is self-serving pompous arrogance laced with condescension. I am sure that he is a fine scholar and an outstanding researcher, but he lacks (again, in my opinion) social intelligence. Your post also speaks very loud of pomposity, and my dear, my point was not to compare the Professors of Physics and Math to a high caliber research scientist. My point was somewhat different, which requires a functioning coconut to be understood.

Java Sahib, I beg to differ; I think fines for any offense should be same for everyone, whether one is a teacher, an engineer, or a king. Please don’t worry about ‘changing’ me, I like the way I am, and also, I am beyond repair.

Charlie, Have a good flight, and keep in touch. Good luck with your school and make us proud.

I request all the members, please respect each other. Omer there should be some other place where you could have posted this.

Re: # 67

Kulharee, this means that you have roots of great people like your Nana. I respect people like your Nana who placed educational roots for our country. Actually you must consider Bokhari Sab like your Nana. I claim that Bokhari Sab is a pure paka Pakistani. He loves this country really much. I can tell you another story.

I have to show some commercial project to Bokhari sab, I asked him. Sir can I install this software in the OS Lab so that I can explain it to you here in the department. He replied.
Shakeel this is a ``public`` state university and you can not install a commercial piece of code. Bring your home machine to show it to me.

Compare this to other professors who pay their home bills from University funds. I am personally victim of many, as I was also RA in UET.

I think his personality is a worth. He never needs a respect from any human, either. As he will remain alive in the hearts of thousands of his students.

Re: # 65

This is your personal experience. I agree with one of this. But this is also true that there are thousands of economists who are serving in different areas. I think Omer had started this conversation for bringing out reasons of why Bokhari Sab left UET. But we have started fighting with economists.

I think main focus of this forum must be, how we can let good people in our country so that they benefit to this country. Otherwise many people will leave this forum.

Re: # 64

No bhai no body is against economists. We respect economists and all the disciplines taught in the whole world.

Suppose a third person comes on this page from any country. By reading your words he will fairly feel bad about economists. But economists are very good, that we all know. Please speak gracefully.

Re: # 62
No ZahraJ, our community of EEs is very friendly and we have loin hearts. We must listen him with grace, and educate him how to participate in civilized community.

I am sure with our vicinity he will learn. In my teaching life I have changed many such guys only by giving them proper company and care.

Re: # 52

Thanks kulharee.

For the story: I totally agree with you. My personal opinion is that he must be fined double as he is the teacher and has to produce nations.

#67

With due respect teaching math and physics at F.Sc. or B.Sc. level is very different from teaching at a well reputed engineering university and conducting research. I do not think you know what you are talking about. If engineering is not your subject then you should not put yourself through the ordeal of raising convoluted arguments and challenging the fair concerns of many on board. Having different point of views is one thing. Harping on a senseless point for the heck of it to instigate unnecessary verbal battles is foolish.

Both fights and causes discussed in my previous post were to be read in an alert state of mind and appropriate context. Ideally, I would like to see a system in place with some policies and procedures applicable to human beings for their well being. The weirdest part of the Pakistani System is that we do not develop processes and accountability factors. As a result, we run into issues and then fight for select issues till death. At the end, something good or bad may come out of that life long struggle. That`s sad.

Re: # 65

Zahra, I can totally see what you are saying, and I concur with your sentiments (not that it matters)… but I ask what will this achieve? MMai is at least achieving something, she is setting up schools, she is making people aware that there is gender inequality is rural Pakistan, and that people can get away with murders and rape. She stood there, and she is fighting for change. Your comparison doesn’t quite jive (it does only a little). Professor Sahib is no MukhraraN Mai…Professor Sahib wrote a letter and he is leaving the university and the country… MukhraraN Mai is there and she has decided to fight. May be I expect too much from our leaders and professors.

Just so you know, I am an Ahmadi, and I don’t have a lot of respect for Professor Abdus Salam either. I have very high standards for our leaders. My Nana was the only Professor of both Math and Physics at the time of partition in Lahore and he bicycled between the Government College and the FC College to lecture. I know what I am talking about.

Re: # 64

Let`s stay civil!

Re: # 63

I have both economists and engineers(myself included) in my family. I am very well aware of the strengths and weakness of each group. Engineers by nature are very dedicated professionals(the ones I have come across). Those who pursued research and academia put their heart and soul in their professions. They have every right to be proud of themselves and nurture a sense of responsibility and ownership in any policy impacting their careers. Dr. Bokhari could have been selfish and left with a goodbye. He was not my teacher but I have immense respect for him for stating his cause and identifying the concerns. He gave a voice to many others who may not have raised similar concerns but are in the same shoes.

I would not like him to sit there and fight an unfair and convoluted system. That`s why I proposed that he should preserve his energies and look for his best interest. Life is too short to be wasted in fighting to make fair changes. On the other end, that`s a very personal approach. There are people who fight against unfair system`s mechanics and are survivors. Why go far? Take an example of MM. She could have suicided or decided to go elsewhere. To the contrary, she decided to fight despite all the turmoil she underwent. I applaud this woman`s approach. As an observer, I have a completely different take on this issue of fighting for select causes within a system. I`d rather prefer a fair and just system across the board than go through the ordeal of fighting all your life.

Re: # 62

Zahra.. What do you have against economists? Allah Karay, tumharay sir maiN Joain (lice) paR jayeeN.

Re: # 61

Sorry about the A part… ZahraJ (ZahraJ)… If I say it a few times, I will get it (ZahraJ, ZahraJ). It is one of those names that I have not heard before. Zohra, I have. I am sorry for that.

But really, let’s be serious, you like his letter, you see it as heavy on confidence.. that’s fine. That’s your opinion. I beg to differ. I think it is full of arrogance and tell me what has it achieved? You are saying that it might generate some debate (that is yet to be seen). If you are hopeful that it might open up some venues to discuss changes, I hope you are right. I really am.

[Dr Bokhari might not return back, but at least it will let HEC officials know that why researchers are disappointed and why they are leaving. ]

I agree with Charlie`s drift. But I am not sure who the HEC audience is. Personally, I think if there is any economist in that committee then the UETians should get him kicked out.