And Dr. Shahid Hussain Bokhari Quits…

Re: # 59

Ok dude, you win, let me know if there is anything I can do to ease your pain.

Re: # 57

yeah, just more of the same bullshit coming out of ur mouth...

Re: # 55

Abdurehman dude, When I talk to schumks like you, I have to sometimes speak in terms you can relate to and can understand without having a need to look it up in Feroz-u-Lughat. What exactly do you do to have such a big head? Perhaps getting out of the house will do you some good. The world has changed. It really has. I leave bragging about nothing for people like you. I really have nothing to prove to you. Come to New York sometime, and you can see for yourself. Stop speaking nonsense and stop asking me stupid questions, you will only get stupid answers. When I feel that I need to tell you something, you can be sure that you will be told.

Respectfully submitted

Re: # 54

Man ur full of lies and deceit. You`re a mechanic who repairs refurbished washing machines, does economy on the ``side``, and is a mediocre one at that.

Your wifes gone to kenya on business and u call ur sons assholes???

and uve graduated from a uni comparable to oxford???

Where exactly are u headed with all of this bs?

Re: # 53

Oye Kulhariya, are we related? I am flattered that your mom named you after your very accomplished cousin. I can see all of Professor Sahib’s points, and I actually agree with most of them. The only thing I didn’t appreciate was his tone of “I am better than all of you”. You know money and wages are all relative. There will always be disparities, and there will always be people who would love to have what you have. There will always be poor people, rich people, and ashole people. That’s how the world is made up. Professor’s job is to rise above all of that, and consider all the hardships/challenges as opportunities to make things better, for his students, for his school, and for his junior staff. In any case, I am sorry that I used abusive language, now kill me.

And let’s just say that not only did I not score enough to get into UET, but I also couldn’t get into Oxford, and unfortunately I had to settle for the second best – or 3rd best depending on who you talk to (however, some would argue that it is just as good, as the Charas sold at my school’s Union was not only cheaper but better). Next time you are in town, let’s hook up and let’s compare our blades to see who’s is bigger and sharper.

Re: # 1 Oye Kulharee....You rather understand his point of view.Otherwise....
What he is saying is that hiring some one with same qualification and grade from foreign university and giving them 8 times more than already serving teachers is unfair and racist scheme. Think of yourself as a teacher and earning 800 dollars while i am coming out of USA (While i am your classfellow) just to earn money in Pakistan and i get 6000 dollars.What do you feel. This guy Bokhari was not fighting for himslef ,but he was fighting for poor and mediocre teachers like you.

Secondly , you have enough hatred against UET,Lahore.I suppose you were not able to get enough marks in HSSC exams to enter UET and then had to continue with some stuff like economy....????

Very interesting. But the Professor is contradicting himself. One the one hand he is arguing over hiring visiting professors (point 3) on the other hand he is saying that there are not many qualified lecturers in the country? What the hell does he want? And who the hell cares what his views about policies are? Since when do academics have been made incharge of making policies? Hello? He is blowing his own trumpet in his letter. If he wants to leave, he can do so by just leaving. He is an idiot if these policies were the last straw that broke his back.

The problem is that this whole ‘elitist’ and ‘we are better than everyone else’ sucky attitude is the main reason why there is such a mess. Pakistan needs more Kabab Makers than Electrical Engineers. It’s been 60 years since the nation came into being, and we still have friggin brown-outs and black-outs. UET should be merged with some world Indian institution, there are plenty of Engineers affiliated with IEEE and NAACP and NSPCA, and also with GMHC.

the irony is that the primary recipient of this letter had been a drama queen not so long ago just like this bokhari guy when he used to be a teacher. ;-)

Re: # 7
Kulharee ``There are plenty of other research institutes in Pakistan, he can move his ass to one of them.``

Re: Ideally you must move your ass out of Chowk.

Re: # 6

Listen Einstein, 96% of Pakistani hate the current policies that they are governed by; are you proposing that they all should leave the country? Who will left behind? Geniuses like yourself?

Pakistan’s (or EE department of UET’s) existence or survival does not depend on one little no body. All the teachers can go to hell for all I care. Not that they are teaching for free. Go and check out lines at the foreign consulates in Islamabad some day. You don’t need to come up with an excuse (oh, I don’t like HEC policies…blah blah blah) in frder to jusify your leaving the country. Because to be honest, no one gives a crap about that. The letter the professor wrote to the HEC would get a D- if written by a junior high student elsewhere.

Now if you have some solid argument to make, let’s hear it. Otherwise go and do whatever the hell you do.

Re: # 4
Kulharee,
You (whoever you are) must, first of all, try to learn how to respect the teachers before uttering non-sense you have come up with. I strongly protest against you using abusive language while writing about a teacher who has served UET for so long.

Kulharee ``How the hell ‘Oman Chair’ affect anything whatsoever about the state of EE at UET?``
Re: It certainly does affect and not more than a little common sense is required to understand it.

Kulharee ``Pakistan does not need theoretical scientists, we need people who can find ways to provide clean drinking water and bring electricity to homes. Let the smarter nations do the research``

Re: Definitely Pakistan does not idiots like you, let alone any one else. Pakistan does not need idiots like you whose imagination cannot go beyond linking any further role for an engineer than providing clean water and electricity.

Kulharee ``Pakistan needs more Kabab Makers than Electrical Engineers.``
Re: If Pakistanis listen to your sense then indeed only Kabab makers will be left in this ill fortunate country.

Kulharee ``UET should be merged with some world Indian institution, there are plenty of Engineers affiliated with IEEE and NAACP and NSPCA, and also with GMHC.``

Re: When people like Dr. Bukhari are deciding to leave Pakistan for genuine reasons, it will be foolish to think that the mentioned Indian universities may be convinced to give even their affiliation, let alone the talk of merging. Institutions where teachers are respected, and they are able to retain them, will attach more importance to what Dr. Bukhari says than the top administrators running the HEC do. I do not know what you are talking about, apart from showing your ignorance.

Kulharee ``If he wants to leave, he can do so by just leaving. He is an idiot if these policies were the last straw that broke his back.

Re: In my humble but certainly sincere opinion the only idiot in this present scenario are yourself.

Re: # 3

Irfan, tell me something. If a country has only ONE EE professor with such a long CV, what does that say about that country? Those who wish to make a change don’t cop out by finding reasons, in his case, the HEC policy. How the hell ‘Oman Chair’ affect anything whatsoever about the state of EE at UET? If he wanted to be a Policy Guy, he should have gone into Policy and not EE. There are plenty of other research institutes in Pakistan, he can move his ass to one of them. Not only is he talking out of his ass, but if the other EE faculty does not follow his foot-step, it implies that they are knuckleheads (if all followed his foot-steps, would you still say that it is HEC doing?). If he is as good as you claim, he can set up his own research lab and get funding and grants from various places; but to be successful in that, one needs to have brain, which you transistor-heads lack.

Here let me summarize for you: Pakistan does not need theoretical scientists, we need people who can find ways to provide clean drinking water and bring electricity to homes. Let the smarter nations do the research.

He did 25 years, that’s enough. He is probably burnt out anyway. So let him do something else. It’s not such a big deal.

Do you know something else? In my field, we are judged by how many leaders have we produced. If a schmuck couldn’t produce his replacement in 25 years of teaching, he deserves no respect. And EE is not a rocket science.

@Kulharee,

No, the professor is not contradicting himself. He is arguing against having an ``Oman chair`` that is paid 7.5 times more than the regular professors. I think everyone should care about his views on policy, because he is talking about education policy, and he is himself an educator. You are showing the same arrogant mindset you are ascribing to him.

Seeing his accomplishments, I believe he has a right to blow his own trumpet more than he did. There is a difference between being an engineer that is a member of the IEEE, and being a fellow of the IEEE. For one, you have to pay money, for the other, you are chosen among hundreds of thousands. If you knew jack-all about research you would recognize that fact.

@Charlie,

Another sad departure. I know how it must feel when a respected teacher leaves your alma-mater. The guy`s CV is impressive, he is a referee for several IEEE Transactions. It`s extremely unfortunate that people like him are not given the respect due to them.

Regards,
Irfan.

I don`t know Professor Bokhari personally but his research career is impressive. How many are there of Pakistani origin who have such impressive record. I don`t know the internal mechanism and politics of HEC but I do respect his decision. If he believes he can continue his research career more profitably (not in terms of money only) some place else, so be it. In the end, it`s a loss for UET and Pakistan.
To produce one meaningful research paper is neither trivial nor ordinary. I respect Professor Shahid for his work. After reading the sentiments expressed in the paper, it appears that Professor Bokhari did his job quite well. Motivating the students is imprtant part of teaching.

Mohammad Gill

Re: # 8

Einstein, Do you know what keeping an eye on the ball means?

Kulharee ``Pakistan’s (or EE department of UET’s) existence or survival does not depend on one little no body. All the teachers can go to hell for all I care.``

Re: If the HEC and the country will not care then ``all the one little no bodies`` that you have referred to, will indeed prefer to leave. The huge difference it will create will become apparant. Institutions in the present world are judged by their capacity to retain their faculty members who really make a difference.

Kulharee ``Now if you have some solid argument to make, let’s hear it. Otherwise go and do whatever the hell you do.``

Re: The argument has already been given by the Omer Cheema in his article. I am just trying to protest against the abusive language you have used for a senior teacher of UET.

Kulharee: ``Go and check out lines at the foreign consulates in Islamabad some day``
Re: Do you really think that all the people lining up are Dr. Bukharis?

Kulharee: ``The letter the professor wrote to the HEC would get a D- if written by a junior high student elsewhere``

Re: The comments you have made about Dr. Bukhari will surely lead to your expulsion from any self-respecting junior high school.