Chowk Staff October 30, 2005
#302 Posted by Godot on November 2, 2005 8:00:59 am
Jay and my post #281
So, Jay, why don`t you tell us which eminent school you went to that has filled you up with so much hate? Or is that one of those moments--as you have clearly demonstrated in the past--that when you are put under fire you run like hell leaving your dhoti behind?
#301 Posted by tahmed32 on November 2, 2005 8:00:56 am
jay: no mister jay thakeray - a fine example of the indian intellectual elite on chowk - i do not support honor killings. What a surprise, right? duh!! You seem to be getting Alzheimer`s as you get older - you must have asked me this question a dozen times in the past 6 years.
Definition of madness: Keep repeating the same question, hoping to get a different answer. Clearly you need to go back to electric shock treatment.
As for your waving off dowry killings in India by saying there is a law against it - this proves my point about the domestic terrorists of India of whom you just proved yourself to be a sympathizer (and who knows, a practitioner as well). And with your answer that turns a blind eye to these killings, it proves you have no problem with dowry killings. And tens of thousands of women are burnt by their brave Indian husbands (with the help of their fathers and mothers). But, for Jay Thakeray that is not a problem. Since he is an example of the dysfunctional hindu society where humans are classified by caste, wives are burnt for money, unborn daughters are killed to avoid dowry expense.
Definition of madness: Keep repeating the same question, hoping to get a different answer. Clearly you need to go back to electric shock treatment.
As for your waving off dowry killings in India by saying there is a law against it - this proves my point about the domestic terrorists of India of whom you just proved yourself to be a sympathizer (and who knows, a practitioner as well). And with your answer that turns a blind eye to these killings, it proves you have no problem with dowry killings. And tens of thousands of women are burnt by their brave Indian husbands (with the help of their fathers and mothers). But, for Jay Thakeray that is not a problem. Since he is an example of the dysfunctional hindu society where humans are classified by caste, wives are burnt for money, unborn daughters are killed to avoid dowry expense.
#300 Posted by Urstruly on November 2, 2005 7:59:33 am
hamidm & kulaharee
Please try to understand that I wrote my post after the fact and not before that. The attack on US chopper has already happened. It is true that Pak authorities are trying to cover up and US authorities are trying to downplay it but it still does not change the fact tht the attack has occured. So the politically prudent way is that US & NATO forces must be asked to leave the area before such an act happens again. If the attack is repeated or results in casualties then the political fallout will be unmanageable by any propaganda or face saving.
#299 Posted by jay on November 2, 2005 7:50:30 am
Humiliation of pakistanis,
What I like about the world response to the earth quake is the humiliation meted out to the educated pakistanis. A world power, always comparing itself with india, could not deliver the supplies delivered at the ports of pakistan to its own people. Now this great nation is asking the world to pay for the truck drivers to take the free goods to the needy.
A nation bent up on getting F16 had to admit that it has only 35 helicopters.
A nation which can so called develop the bomb has no accines for tetanus and thousands are dying.
A nation that has so called developed fighter jets is seeking pain killers from the world.
The educated are so humiliated that they are claiminh that pakistan has set up camps on loc to help the indians.
When teh pak soldiers were saved by the indian troops, thgey are claiming that indians gave only shovels to the pakis, should be to shovel..it
I like the total humiliation of the pak educated and I hope that it will help them to open their eyes to the pak reality
What I like about the world response to the earth quake is the humiliation meted out to the educated pakistanis. A world power, always comparing itself with india, could not deliver the supplies delivered at the ports of pakistan to its own people. Now this great nation is asking the world to pay for the truck drivers to take the free goods to the needy.
A nation bent up on getting F16 had to admit that it has only 35 helicopters.
A nation which can so called develop the bomb has no accines for tetanus and thousands are dying.
A nation that has so called developed fighter jets is seeking pain killers from the world.
The educated are so humiliated that they are claiminh that pakistan has set up camps on loc to help the indians.
When teh pak soldiers were saved by the indian troops, thgey are claiming that indians gave only shovels to the pakis, should be to shovel..it
I like the total humiliation of the pak educated and I hope that it will help them to open their eyes to the pak reality
#298 Posted by Kulharee on November 2, 2005 7:45:03 am
Re: # 294
Scientist Sahib… the circumcision doesn’t cut off any skin, it just rolls it back so the head can be seen. It is not mandatory in Islam, it is optional. Another name for Circumcisions is “SuntaN” or the Sunnah of Prophet Ibrahim. For Arabs it should be mandatory, as they can afford to have a little piece (even big piece) taken off. For Desis with small peepees, it should be optional. Every little bit counts.
Scientist Sahib… the circumcision doesn’t cut off any skin, it just rolls it back so the head can be seen. It is not mandatory in Islam, it is optional. Another name for Circumcisions is “SuntaN” or the Sunnah of Prophet Ibrahim. For Arabs it should be mandatory, as they can afford to have a little piece (even big piece) taken off. For Desis with small peepees, it should be optional. Every little bit counts.
#297 Posted by jay on November 2, 2005 7:43:46 am
tahmed 276,
The indian society is against bride burning and that is why it is illegal to kill any one including brides.
Now mister tahmed, do you support honour killing as approved per hoodood laws of pakistan.
I do not expect an answer from you, but irrespective of what you willsay, teh pak society approves of hoodood laws and that is why it is there in pakistan. It is supported by you and teh educated because you never dare to say anything against it.
The indian society is against bride burning and that is why it is illegal to kill any one including brides.
Now mister tahmed, do you support honour killing as approved per hoodood laws of pakistan.
I do not expect an answer from you, but irrespective of what you willsay, teh pak society approves of hoodood laws and that is why it is there in pakistan. It is supported by you and teh educated because you never dare to say anything against it.
#296 Posted by hamidm2 on November 2, 2005 7:42:57 am
khare,
........ that was funny ! ``take this and be happy, I have done my duty !`` ................ i hope i remember this on the day of reckoning when god starts getting on my case about doing this and not doing that ........... `` but allah mian, i already gave you my dearest posession !``
........ that was funny ! ``take this and be happy, I have done my duty !`` ................ i hope i remember this on the day of reckoning when god starts getting on my case about doing this and not doing that ........... `` but allah mian, i already gave you my dearest posession !``
#295 Posted by hamidm2 on November 2, 2005 7:37:59 am
Re: # 293
axeman,
..... where did you read that ?....... all i am suggesting is that mullah urstruly is full of jihadic excerment and if the americans see him, or any of his bearded friends stranded on a mountain, they should piss on them and continue flying off to help people who are grateful .............. urstruly epitomizes the word ``munafiq``!
axeman,
..... where did you read that ?....... all i am suggesting is that mullah urstruly is full of jihadic excerment and if the americans see him, or any of his bearded friends stranded on a mountain, they should piss on them and continue flying off to help people who are grateful .............. urstruly epitomizes the word ``munafiq``!
#294 Posted by khare on November 2, 2005 7:27:48 am
About circumcision
Just my 2 cents ... someone may correct this:
It is true that few decades back it was thought prepuce (front part of the penis) was unnecessary and CAN be responsible for prepucial cancer. So, medical practice recommended circumcision. Most Americans of last generation (including baby boomers) were circumcised irrespective of religion. However, just like the story of tonsils, now the theory is reversed and it is believed that prepuce is not responsible for cancer. So recommendation: up to you ...if you want for religious reasons, do it. Otherwise you need not.
God was not that stupid to give it in the first place if it was not needed. For a biological scientist like me, this part would have been eliminated from the animal kingdom if it was totally unncessary. Evolution works that way.
But, what baffles me is that Abraham offered this piece of anatomy to GOD! Could not he find something else? If you really wanted to show your dedication and respect, give one of your fingers (pinky from left palm?) or a small toe. I find it really insulting to Allah saying.. take this and be happy, I have done my duty. Don`t we use this saying as an insult?
Just my 2 cents ... someone may correct this:
It is true that few decades back it was thought prepuce (front part of the penis) was unnecessary and CAN be responsible for prepucial cancer. So, medical practice recommended circumcision. Most Americans of last generation (including baby boomers) were circumcised irrespective of religion. However, just like the story of tonsils, now the theory is reversed and it is believed that prepuce is not responsible for cancer. So recommendation: up to you ...if you want for religious reasons, do it. Otherwise you need not.
God was not that stupid to give it in the first place if it was not needed. For a biological scientist like me, this part would have been eliminated from the animal kingdom if it was totally unncessary. Evolution works that way.
But, what baffles me is that Abraham offered this piece of anatomy to GOD! Could not he find something else? If you really wanted to show your dedication and respect, give one of your fingers (pinky from left palm?) or a small toe. I find it really insulting to Allah saying.. take this and be happy, I have done my duty. Don`t we use this saying as an insult?
#293 Posted by Kulharee on November 2, 2005 7:25:12 am
Re: # 289
Turley, are you suggesting that US shouldn’t have helped any? Is that what you are saying?
Turley, are you suggesting that US shouldn’t have helped any? Is that what you are saying?
#292 Posted by hamidm2 on November 2, 2005 7:10:03 am
Re: # 289
urstruly,
......... you are letting your hatred blind you again ........ according to my brother-in-law, who has been flying C-130`s daily for the past three weeks, if it wern`t for the american chinooks they would have been in big trouble .......... ``these guys are amazing - they can load and unload in one tenth of the time it takes us and fly three to four sorties a day each and they never complain ``........... and what`s all this crap about, ``American people are murderously prejudiced against the people belonging to the Muslim faith ``........... have you been fired yet ?............ i know many good white christians who would love to have your miserable job designing motor mount brackets, or whatever it is that you do in flint ................. ever heard of the term ``munafiq`` ?????????
urstruly,
......... you are letting your hatred blind you again ........ according to my brother-in-law, who has been flying C-130`s daily for the past three weeks, if it wern`t for the american chinooks they would have been in big trouble .......... ``these guys are amazing - they can load and unload in one tenth of the time it takes us and fly three to four sorties a day each and they never complain ``........... and what`s all this crap about, ``American people are murderously prejudiced against the people belonging to the Muslim faith ``........... have you been fired yet ?............ i know many good white christians who would love to have your miserable job designing motor mount brackets, or whatever it is that you do in flint ................. ever heard of the term ``munafiq`` ?????????
#291 Posted by Netizen on November 2, 2005 7:04:11 am
Re: # 278
i have read that initially mohammed what to protray himself as a prophet of jews but was not accepted by them.
it seems he built islam on the existing practices of the region at that time. like adopting christian beliefs, jewish customs.
i have read that initially mohammed what to protray himself as a prophet of jews but was not accepted by them.
it seems he built islam on the existing practices of the region at that time. like adopting christian beliefs, jewish customs.
#290 Posted by Netizen on November 2, 2005 6:57:46 am
Re: # 278
hmmm....
during early christianity, when it was just a jewish sect with Jesus and his brother James (?) being the leaders, circumcision was practised. early christians too were circumcised.
it was paul, who aboilished this practise and allowed uncircumcised males to become christians. historians say that was one of the defining moments in history which separated christianity from judaism.
hmmm....
during early christianity, when it was just a jewish sect with Jesus and his brother James (?) being the leaders, circumcision was practised. early christians too were circumcised.
it was paul, who aboilished this practise and allowed uncircumcised males to become christians. historians say that was one of the defining moments in history which separated christianity from judaism.
#289 Posted by Urstruly on November 2, 2005 6:49:23 am
Re: # 286
I think you should calm down and think logically and reasonably. It is an undeniable fact that Americans have brought untold misery upon the people of this region through war and aggression - and that is true for people living with in Pakistani territory and in surrounding countries. Just imagine if a US chopper is downed today, it would be a horrible PR disaster for Pakistan and devistate the image its dictators are trying to project in the West. So if you do the cost benefit analysis, it is a lose-lose deal for Paksitan in all respects. American people are murderously prejudiced against the people belonging to the Muslim faith and do not hesitate or think twice before destroying the whole nations and countries if it doesn`t conform to their world view. So it is in best interest of Pakistan to thank Americans for their help; give their General a medal of honor or something and send them packing ASAP.
I think you should calm down and think logically and reasonably. It is an undeniable fact that Americans have brought untold misery upon the people of this region through war and aggression - and that is true for people living with in Pakistani territory and in surrounding countries. Just imagine if a US chopper is downed today, it would be a horrible PR disaster for Pakistan and devistate the image its dictators are trying to project in the West. So if you do the cost benefit analysis, it is a lose-lose deal for Paksitan in all respects. American people are murderously prejudiced against the people belonging to the Muslim faith and do not hesitate or think twice before destroying the whole nations and countries if it doesn`t conform to their world view. So it is in best interest of Pakistan to thank Americans for their help; give their General a medal of honor or something and send them packing ASAP.
#288 Posted by Kulharee on November 2, 2005 6:39:39 am
Re: # 285
It’s amazing to see that Desis are arguing over a little penis tip. Tell us which one which one makes you happier?
It’s amazing to see that Desis are arguing over a little penis tip. Tell us which one which one makes you happier?
#287 Posted by dost_mittar on November 2, 2005 6:34:24 am
masanmuthu#283
Most probably for similar reason...pork is un-kosher for jews, too. You could think of it as the process of ``sanskritisation`` among Arabs to emulate the brahmins of the middle east, i.e., Jews, the chosen people.
I do not know what is the religious reason behind the jewish banning of pork. It might be nothing more than the unhygenic eating habits of pigs. Many scholars have pointed out that the Hindu shunning of beef has its origin in the over-eating of the cow by earlier Indians who feared an extinction of the bovine animal who was so essential for the agrarian economy. These commonsense practices were perhaps made religious taboos for greater acceptance.
Most probably for similar reason...pork is un-kosher for jews, too. You could think of it as the process of ``sanskritisation`` among Arabs to emulate the brahmins of the middle east, i.e., Jews, the chosen people.
I do not know what is the religious reason behind the jewish banning of pork. It might be nothing more than the unhygenic eating habits of pigs. Many scholars have pointed out that the Hindu shunning of beef has its origin in the over-eating of the cow by earlier Indians who feared an extinction of the bovine animal who was so essential for the agrarian economy. These commonsense practices were perhaps made religious taboos for greater acceptance.
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