Bomb Blasts in Delhi

Re: #413 by Aha_Snark

[Considering that he wants to (systematically) kill all (substantial numbers) Kashmiris (ethnicity/religion/region), my contention is that he`s calling for genocide against Kashmiris. ]


Nope.

In Harimau`s post you cited, he did not say anything about killing off Kashmiris.

Re: # 411
re: ajeya:

In post # 407 to you, I said: Just to clarify, exactly what assertion regarding ``genocide in India`` as you call it do you think I have made on this board?

You quoted my post # 274 where I said :

``Of course. Love India ( meaning accept genocide, ethnic cleansing and religious segregation) or Leave India. And with attitudes like that, who could do anything but love India?``

This was a response to Harimau who (after a colourful personal attack on me) had said in post #162 that:

///those who don`t like it can haul their butts off to The Land of the Pure carved out for them by Jinnah. ///

He had said this in response to my post # 156

Where I said that he had advocated:

A) the depopulation of Kashmir
B) the open killing of people in Kashmir (free fire zone)
C) the removal of aid to earthquake victims so they die of cold in the winter

My post was in response to post # 26 where he said : (I`m only quoting parts relevant here)

1) there will be a stop to the reproduction of Kashmiris [after deportation of Kashmiri women under 25] and there will be no Kashmir problem in 26 years after the current crop dies off and there is no replacement.
2) Also, institute a free-fire zone throughout Kashmir.
3) Stop all aid to Kashmir (including Indian side) so that the fcukers can freeze to death this winter.

Now.

What is genocide?

According to Wikipedia , Genocide is the systematic killing of substantial numbers of people on the basis of ethnicity, religion, political opinion, social status or other particularity.

Considering that he wants to (systematically) kill all (substantial numbers) Kashmiris (ethnicity/religion/region), my contention is that he`s calling for genocide against Kashmiris.

Or let`s take the Merriam-Webster definition, which says that genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group.

I`d say that fits as well.

Now that he`s called for genocide, he goes on to say in post #162 that:

///those who don`t like it can haul their butts off to The Land of the Pure carved out for them by Jinnah. ///

To which I replied in post # 274: ``Of course. Love India ( meaning accept genocide, ethnic cleansing and religious segregation) or Leave India. And with attitudes like that, who could do anything but love India?``

Now I admit, harimau didn`t say ``Those who don`t like genocide can haul their butts...``

However, please tell me that if harimau didn`t mean the main thrust of the parent post (post # 26) (to which all the posts were sub-posts) when he said ``Those who don`t like it``, what did he mean?

Please also note that I have repeatedly put questions to harimau in posts 274, 351 and 408. He has been given ample time to rebut the claim that he has called for genocide and has not done so.

Aha_Snark
hoipolloi@gmail.com

Aha_Snark.

Your namesake Shankar the Headshrinker went from being a Paki-loving leftist to a rabid Paki-basher after being strip-searched at every airport between Detroit and Bombay.

I just wonder what you would be like after you are chased by a Muslim mob on Ramzan!

Let me make it clear once and for all: what is sauce for goose is sauce for gander. If Hindus live under the sufference of Muslims in Pakistan (or any other Muslim country), then Muslims must live under the tyrannical heels of the Hindu majority in India and be happy for the crumbs that they get.

As to your statement about the ``secular`` part of the Constitution`s preamble not being amendable by Parliament, I think moving the Supreme Court out of New Delhi to Nagaland (or for that matter, that tourist spot Srinagar) ought to get the court to change its mind.

By the same token, all foreign missionaries in India should be deported, preferably after losing their testicles as a testament to their devotion to Jesus Christ.

Being a Hindu should be the litmus test for every high office in India. That would take care of Manmohan Singh the Neutered, Sonia G@ndu, Raoul G@andu, Priyanka G@ndu Vadera, etc.

All reservations/quotas should be eliminated. Those who claim brain-death as their right to enter colleges and government jobs should be locked up in mental hospitals.

All Leftists ought to be jailed with a 50-year sentence and ought to be assigned to chain gangs cleaning up roads or building the National highway system.

Any more of my views are fully available in my 2000+ posts. Just click on my name, read and enjoy!

Re: #407 by Aha_Snark

[Fair enough. But just to clarify things, exactly what assertion regarding ``genocide in India`` as you call it do you think I have made on this board? Just so I can respond directly to your request for sources.]


How about the following post:

[#23
Re: # 162
re: harimau:
(This is in response to post # 156 )

/// I did expect one of you hand-wringing self-hating Hindus who are sorry they don`t have enough women in their families to be raped by Muslim thugs to come out with some such statement. ///

So. To point out that someone is calling for genocide, ethnic cleansing and religious segregation, and to point out the fact that the author does not find these actions thuggish, means that I`m a hand-wringing self-hating Hindu who`s sorry I don`t have enough women in my family to be raped by Muslim thugs.

How?

///My attitude is: those who don`t like it can haul their butts off to The Land of the Pure carved out for them by Jinnah.///

Of course. Love India ( meaning accept genocide, ethnic cleansing and religious segregation) or Leave India. And with attitudes like that, who could do anything but love India?

///And guys like you can move there too to see what life as a minority in an Islamic country is. ///

Are you saying that India should treat it`s minorities the way (you think that) Islamic countries treat theirs? Or is the reasoning that X Islamic Country treats it`s minorities badly, so genocide, ethnic cleansing and religious segregation is just parity?

Aha_Snark ]



Does this ring a bell? Eh, Snarky?

faisaluno:

the world is concerned about pak and not about sri lanka is because s.l. conflict though bloody is local and its implicaiton is not worldwide whereas pak is the training ground for internatonal jihad.

Eight killed in Pakistan blast

November 05, 2005 19:10 IST


At least eight people, including a woman and three children, were killed in a blast in a house where suspected foreign terrorists, believed to be Arabs, were making bombs in Pakistan`s North Waziristan tribal region on Saturday.

Officials at Miranshah, the headquarters of the North Waziristan agency, said the blast occurred in a village Moski in Mir Ali, 20 kilometres east of Miran Shah.

However, Army spokesman Major General Shaukat Sultan confirmed the death of six people, including a woman.

He said the suspects were busy making an improvised explosive device for terrorist activity when the blast occurred.

Al those killed were foreigners. Locals said they were Arabs who were hiding at the residence of local tribeman Misbahur Rehman. However, their identity has not yet been established.

Re: # 403
re: Ranger:

///but the biggest threat to the people of India , their freedom and aspirations and ultimately their life comes from you leftists. Every stand , every position taken by you people is directed at stunting India`s economic growth , hurting India`s security , keeping the country in a state of perpetual poverty. ///

So. The Left is the biggest threat to people`s freedom, aspiration and life.
Every stand and position taken by the Left is directed at ``stunting India`s economic growth , hurting India`s security , keeping the country in a state of perpetual poverty.``

///It may all soung benign and good fun to you///

Actually, it sounds hilarious. Especially the part where you hold me responsible for the Left party`s every action. And even more funny, expect me to spring to it`s defense no matter what. Let me be clear. If the Left does something that I think is bad, I will never defend it`s actions. If I think it`s actions are worthy of lampoonery, I will go ahead and lampoon them - as I have done.

Aha_Snark
hoipolloi@gmail.com

Re: # 392
re: harimau:

Just to clarify my position on this, party workers enforcing bandhs or strikes by force is reprehensible. So, yes, I`ll come out and state it clearly: What Left party workers did in Calcutta - obstruct people from going about their work and attending to their needs - is wrong and indefensible.

By the way, just wanted to ask: I put several questions to you in post 274 and in post 351 . You have not answered them as yet.

Re: # 388
re: Ranger:

Fair enough. But just to clarify things, exactly what assertion regarding ``genocide in India`` as you call it do you think I have made on this board? Just so I can respond directly to your request for sources.

Aha_Snark

re:#405 by sri
You are advocating terrorism that will kill more innocent people. I say identify the culprits and go after them, even inside the Paki territorry if need be. I can`t advocate terrorism. That wil put India in the same list as Pak, Iran, Libya etc.
Sridhar

#404 by Ranger

The least India could do is train some individuals who have lost their everything to become suicide bombers. Sychronized attacks in major pakistani cities is a good start... friday prayers perhaps ???

WSJ (Oct 31): Every time India is tested by terror, it characteristically responds by talking tough but doing nothing...Mr. Singh is the latest in a succession of weak, aging prime ministers ... failure to formulate a prudent counterterror strategy backed by firm resolve.

Full Text:
India on the Frontline
Brahma Chellaney. Wall Street Journal Oct 31, 2005. pg. A.17


The Indian capital has faced several major acts of terror since the 1980s, but the serial bombings targeting festival shoppers over the weekend were the deadliest yet, leaving at least 61 dead. Yet India is responding typically to the latest horror -- with brave words that can do little to hide its lack of both a coherent counter-terrorism strategy and the political will to go beyond mere reprobation.

The latest bombings -- crude in their indiscriminate targeting of civilians and sophisticated in their synchronization -- were carried out at the start of Diwali, the country`s main festival holiday, to maximize the effect. Although an obscure underground Kashmir outfit has claimed responsibility, there is widespread suspicion that the attacks were masterminded by Lashkar-e-Taiba, a Pakistan-based, al Qaeda-linked group labeled a terrorist organization by India and the United States. The attacks occurred on the same day that a New Delhi court had been scheduled to sentence six convicted Pakistani members of the Lashkar-e-Taiba and their Indian associates for involvement in a previous terrorist attack.

The bombers have driven home a political message: India, despite its rising international profile, is powerless to stop terror attacks. By audaciously carrying out bombings right under the nose of the Indian government, the terrorists may also be seeking to rattle foreign investors and undermine India`s booming economy. The bombings also have the potential to undercut the credibility of the bureaucrat- turned-prime minister, Manmohan Singh, and constrict his leeway in the ongoing peace process with Pakistan.

Mr. Singh is the latest in a succession of weak, aging prime ministers whose absence of decisive leadership over the years has resulted in the failure to formulate a prudent counterterror strategy backed by firm resolve. Increasingly, terrorism has been treated as a law-and-order issue requiring more policing. To regard terrorism as a law-and-order problem is to do what the terrorists want -- to sap your strength. No amount of security can stop terrorism if the nation is reluctant to go after terrorist cells and networks and those that harbor extremists.

The Indian and U.S. responses to terrorism are a study in contrast. No Americans have been killed by terrorists in the United States since 9/11 because the U.S. military has gone after terrorists overseas. India, in contrast, has suffered its biggest terrorist strikes since 9/11, including attacks on the national Parliament, the Kashmir legislature, the 17th-century Red Fort, three major Hindu temples and several military camps.

Every time India is tested by terror, it characteristically responds by talking tough but doing nothing. New methodology employed by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency`s Office of Terrorism Analysis shows India has the dubious distinction of having the highest number of terrorist incidents.

India has become such a happy hunting ground for terrorists that several major acts of international terror have first been tried out against Indian targets before being replicated in Western democracies. They include attacks on symbols of state authority, midair bombing of a commercial jetliner and coordinated strikes on a city transportation system. In using India as a laboratory, the jihadists have been guided by the logic that if the world`s largest democracy can be shaken, so can others.

For instance, the 1988 Pan Am 103 bombing over Lockerbie, Scotland, replicated the midair bombing over the Atlantic of an Air India commercial flight from Canada in 1985. The same Air India bombing technique was also used in the Libyan-orchestrated attack on a UTA jetliner in 1989, which blew up in midair over the Sahara.

The 1993 Bombay bombings, which targeted India`s financial institutions and left hundreds dead, have served as a model act of mass terror to international jihadists. The Bombay bombings, according to Indian Defense Minister Pranab Mukherjee, were ``eerily similar in modus operandi and targets to 9/11 in their synchronized, serial character and targeting of state and economic symbols.``

Parallels have also emerged between the 1999 hijacking to Kandahar, Afghanistan, of Indian Airlines flight IC-814 and the 9/11 hijackings, including the similar use of box-cutters and the terrorists` knowledge of cockpit systems. Long before the London and Madrid bombings, terrorists had staged coordinated attacks on city trains and buses in India.

Transnational terrorists see India as an easy target because it imposes no costs on them and their sponsors. If any state strikes deals with terrorists, it not only promotes stepped-up terrorism against its own interests but also creates problems for other nations.

A classic case was India`s ignominious surrender, on Dec. 31, 1999, to the demands of hijackers holding passengers aboard an Indian commercial jetliner at Kandahar in Taliban-ruled Afghanistan. In a surrender unparalleled in modern world history, Indian Foreign Minister Jaswant Singh personally chaperoned three jailed terrorists to freedom in a special aircraft. One of the freed terrorists, Ahmed Omar Sheik -- a British citizen of Pakistani descent -- went on to help finance the 9/11 attacks.

For India, the chickens dramatically came home to roost when evidence on the December 2001 attack on parliament revealed the involvement of one of the terrorists hand-delivered in Kandahar -- Masood Azhar, who had formed the Jaish-e-Muhammad group in Pakistan.

What India needs is a concerted, sustained campaign against the forces of terror. But what Prime Minister Singh has offered are only words to comfort the nation. If India fails its latest test, it will only be a matter of time before the terrorists strike again at a place and time of their choice.

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Mr. Chellaney is professor of strategic studies at the privately- funded Center for Policy Research in New Delhi.

Anirudh Shankar...

It may all soung benign and good fun to you , but the biggest threat to the people of India , their freedom and aspirations and ultimately their life comes from you leftists. Every stand , every position taken by you people is directed at stunting India`s economic growth , hurting India`s security , keeping the country in a state of perpetual poverty.

Now that US-India partnership is fast becoming a reality , this is what you commies do >

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CPI-M prevents US aircraft from landing in Kolkata
Kolkata November 03, 2005 2:22:28 PM IST

By Ajitha Menon

Activists of West Bengal`s ruling Communist Party of India (Marxist) on Thursday prevented a US aircraft and its F-16 crew from landing at Kolkata Airport.

Staging a vociferous protest at the airport, the CPI-M demonstratrors forced the air traffic control authorities to relay instructions to the aircraft crew to take off soon after it hit the runway. The aircraft had arrived in Kolkata to participate in the Indo-US air exercises at Kalaikonda from November 7 to 19.

The aircraft had to take off for Bagdogra Airport in North Bengal, where it faced a similar protest from CPI-M activists deployed there. The crew of the plane was not allowed to disembark, and according to the latest information, the aircraft has returned to Kolkata, but the crew is not being allowed to disembark.

The Indian and US Air Force will test their mettle at Kalaikunda in West Bengal at the second Indo-US joint air exercises from November 7-19.

The exercise titled Cope India 05 would see the participation of F-16 fighters jets from the USAF squadron based in Japan and IAF fighters, SU-30K, Mirage-2000, MiG-21 Bison and MiG-27s. The IAF`s tanker fleet, IL-78 will also be deployed at the joint exercises

For the first time, AWACS will take part in the air exercise. The IAF is in the process of inducting AWACS for Beyond Visual Range (BVR) strike capability, and its inclusion in Cope India 05 is being considered significant. The Indo-French joint exercise at the Istres Air Base in France also saw the deployment of the AWACS by the French Air Force.

Sources said that the exercises would include Dissimilar Air Combat Manoeuvring (ACM) and Large Force Engagement (LFE) in the Beyond Visual Range (BVR) regime.

At the previous Indo-US joint exercises in Alaska, IAF pilots had got the better of the US pilots in their MiG-21s.

Officials said that the aim of the joint exercise is to enhance mutual operational understanding and refine procedures for future joint exercises between the two Air Forces and familiarize with each other`s operational, technical and administrative practices. (ANI)

#401, Cumkhwa,
Are you ready to confess? If not, then shut up and listen to the advice concerning your uti.

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Re: # 399

``Yes, it may reduce the risk of penile cancer, but it is true for any organ. It does not mean that we should get rid of all the organs that have potential to develop cancer.``

Removing prepuce to lessen the risk of penile cancer is not the same as removing an organ (e.g. breast) to prevent it from going cancerous. Apparently (although as is its wont, medical thinking may have changed on this) it is the smegma (the concentrated secretions) that accumulate under the foreskin that act as carcingenic, and not the foreskin per se. So, keeping it clean maybe an effective and painless alternative!

#396 by Kulharee, Circumcision

Some facts and my opinion:

In some cases, especially in Japanese kids, it becomes necessary to do this on neonates to avoid uti (urinary tract infections) and other problems. But, otherwise, overall data does not appear to be in favor of having circumcision. Yes, it may reduce the risk of penile cancer, but it is true for any organ. It does not mean that we should get rid of all the organs that have potential to develop cancer. This is an extremely rare form of cancer and happens to old people. People thought prepuce was unnecessary …like appendix and tonsils …so thought it was an easy remedy. But, not so with this piece of tissue. It has many functions such as sensory , sex and, mainly protection: all exposed pores in the body are covered in some way to keep pathogens and other dirt getting in and causing inflammation. It may be hair, skin or some valve like function that keeps it closed. However, humans and animals are expected to keep those clean. Evolution has kept the species that follow these rules and others sooner or later become extinct. I firmly believe that nature has selected right things and will keep selecting based on changing environment. These quick fixes, most of the time …not always .. are unnecessary and may not be advantageous, expect in certain special cases.
P.S. I am not a physician …just a biochemist/molecular biologist who has more than average distrust in modern doctors.