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Bomb Blasts in Delhi

Chowk Staff October 30, 2005

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#334 Posted by Romair on November 2, 2005 10:44:26 am
Ranger #333: ``Picture of a typical Pakistani male :``

Actually, that is not typical. That would be a Pakistani male (faisaluno, I believe) who has part of his ancestory from the wrong side of the border. No offence to faisaluno, but my theory recognizes the fact that the average Pakistani is not better looking than the average Greek, Canadian, Norwegian and New Zealander (or even Afghani, if you clean him up a bit)......The theory is based on a South Asian domain......

There is one part of the BBC article I found a bit odd:

``Prof Shallini Bharat, a socio-psychologist with the Tata Institute of Social Sciences, believes this complex is a result of the country`s history.......``India`s rulers have always been fair, be it the Aryans in the early centuries or Europeans in later years. Fairness is equated with superiority, power and influence, therefore the preference for lighter skin.``

Now, why does he skip directly from Aryans to Brits. What about the 800 year rule of Afghans, and Turkics and Central Asians and Persians etc.?...........

I would be interested in your comments about his statement, ``Fairness is equated with superiority, power and influence, therefore the preference for lighter skin...`` Would that mean, in the South Asian context, Pakistanis are considered superior, influential and powerful? Which is why they are so hated on this site? My research indicates this to be true.........As does market analysis by the skin company in India..........
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#333 Posted by Ranger on November 2, 2005 10:30:40 am
Romair : `` Indians hate us because we are beautiful``

Picture of a typical Pakistani male :
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#332 Posted by Romair on November 2, 2005 10:22:50 am
Over time, I have tried to figure out why our Indian colleagues on this site, dislike the Pakistanis so much. Dislike being too mild a word. Why do they want Pakistan obliterated? Why do they want Muslims finished? Including their own. Why do they want to occupy our land and take over our water? And most of all, why do they try to humiliate us by saying we have no chemist shops?

It has taken a lot of observation and debate, but I have finally reached the conclusion. It has nothing to do with Akhund Baharat. And Baharat Mata. Nor does it have anything to do with Aurangzeb nor Ghaznavi........

I think they hate us because we are beautiful (in comparison to them, though not in comparison to Australians and Norwegians and Canadians or Greeks). I was highly impressed by the following article on BBC, which solidified my theory, even furthur:

`` All is fair. So believes an Indian cosmetics company that has launched a new skin-lightening cream exclusively for men in an attempt to target the growing number of metrosexual males.

Called Fair and Handsome, the advertisement for the product gives the message: be fair or remain in dark oblivion.

Surveys carried out by cosmetics companies suggest growing numbers of Indian men are using the creams.....Our initial worry was men would be shy and not buy it. But these fears have proven unfounded.....the firm`s director, Mohen Goenka, says: ``We tested the product in the southern city of Hyderabad and the response was much better than we expected.

.....`Wheat fields`

The domestic skin-lightening cream industry is valued at over $190m - a strong indicator of the great Indian obsession with fair skin......There`s not one guy who admits to being dark and attractive, they just say we are wheatish and fair

Editor of men`s magazine, Man`s World, Jerry Pinto, says most dark-skinned men are as insecure as women and go to equal lengths, albeit secretly, to achieve lighter skin. ...

``So there is just not one dark-skinned person in this country, they are all rolling wheat fields of masculinity.``

Prof Shallini Bharat, a socio-psychologist with the Tata Institute of Social Sciences, believes this complex is a result of the country`s history.

``India`s rulers have always been fair, be it the Aryans in the early centuries or Europeans in later years. Fairness is equated with superiority, power and influence, therefore the preference for lighter skin.``

Most advertisements for the creams tend to portray that dark skin will hold a person back, whereas fair skin will mean social acceptance and even success in the chosen profession, as well as among the opposite sex.

The advert for the male cream shows a dark-skinned college boy (named Salim_Chauhan) relegated to the back seat and ignored by the girls (named Saminasha, ZahraJ, Zeena and Scout) until he uses the product. Soon enough, his complexion lightens and girls flock to him like moths to a flame.

Prof Bharat says this sort of advertising is not good for Indian society as it promotes fair skin in a country where a large percentage of the population is dark.`` (www.bbc.co.uk)

Based on this, I think the best course of action, for Pakistanis is to start setting up skin cream plants in Pakistan, and exporting them to India, for our colleagues. This will eventually reduce the dislike of Pakistanis, amongst our Indian colleagues, on this site............I hereby offer a joint venture to any of our Indian colleagues for, ``Skin Whitening Research Labs of Islamabad...``
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#331 Posted by Ranger on November 2, 2005 9:56:10 am
Having just read the washington post story which caused tahmed chachu to almost castrate himself in orgasmic frenzy , couple of points came to my notice...

>>

The culprits - the husband and all the in-laws , are languishing in jail and charged with murder , looking at a life sentence.

So a serious crime was commited by certain individuals , for which they were caught by the law enforcement agencies and adequately punished by the judiciary.

Only goes to show that the legal system in India is alive and kicking.

Dowry system is not a part of hinduism. There is nothing religious about the dowry system. Nor is dowry killing a societal evil. Its just a classic universal case of people commiting murder for greed , for money. Could as well be a person killing an aged relative for his assets , or a wife killing a husband for insurance money. Murders and other crimes happen for different reasons. Nobody can stop that. However the worth of a society is measured by its ability to capture and then adequately punish the perpetrators of such criminal acts.
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#330 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on November 2, 2005 9:35:55 am
Dharma #326, {``Why do pakis tolerate idiots like this? just like they tolerate the idiots who rule them i guess``}

Dharma,
That is a very old trick. Mushy has placed these people all over the world`s media so that he can look good in comparison to them. :)
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#329 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on November 2, 2005 9:32:04 am
Al_Bundy #314 {``it is not possible to actually restore a lost foreskin. A natural foreskin contains specialized nerve endings, muscles and blood vessels that are necessary for normal sexual function and sensation…………………….. ``}

Al,
Did someone ever tell you that you are a very cruel man?:(
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#328 Posted by Romair on November 2, 2005 9:12:42 am
Urstruly/hamidm mian: I think one needs to keep things in perspective.........

Americans should be thanked by Pakistanis for their efforts during the earthquake. Specifically, the American helicopter pilots should be thanked by every Pakistani. Those of us who know a thing or two about aviation, will tell you that flying helicopters (and C-130s) in those areas is amongst the most difficult flying jobs in the world. Especially for those pilots who have never flown there before.

There are two groups of people who are true heroes in this earthquake. One are the doctors, from Pakistan and other countries. And the other are the helicopters - from the Pakistan Army and other countries (primarily the USA and UN).........

As for America harming Pakistan: It really hasn`t done much to harm Pakistan or to help it. It has been indifferent to it, historically. Hence I don`t think Pakistanis can complain about America. It has screwed the Arab common guy, quite thoroughly. But Pakistanis are not Arabs.........

In any case, I think the USA has done quite a bit for the earthquake. I think this could have been a good area for Bush to score a lot of points in the region. If he decides to come in very heavily with the aid, it will do him far more good in the Muslim world, than any misguided ideas of changing regimes in Iraq etc...........
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#327 Posted by masanamuthu on November 2, 2005 9:08:04 am
Re: # 287

dost-mittar:

Thanks.
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#326 Posted by dharma on November 2, 2005 9:06:32 am
Re: # 306 tahmed32
``Jay the Domestic Terrorist: dont write lengthy posts to me. First answer my question: why do you think the burning of wives is OK?

Second: What did they do to you in the asylum?? You have come back even more full of hate than before?? ``

Why do pakis tolerate idiots like this? just like they tolerate the idiots who rule them i guess. All jay asked were simple questions. And this guys goes about dowry killings like a broken record. Do you support theft in pakistan moron tahmed? there is lot of stealing going on in pakistan.
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#325 Posted by Al_Bundy on November 2, 2005 8:55:50 am
May the Japanese and the peaceful Buddhists, the world over, continue to prosper for all their good deeds and peaceful ways...........

Japanese artist to recreate destroyed Bamiyan Buddhas with laser beams

Tue Nov 1, 9:57 AM ET

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051101/lf_afp/afplifestylejapan_051101145758

Japanese artist Hiro Yamagata announced plans to recreate Afghanistan`s destroyed Bamiyan Buddhas using as many as 240 laser beam images, a giant project that could also bring electricity to local people.

The 60 million-dollar exhibit, which is slated to begin in June 2007, will for several years replicate the images of the statues, which were the world`s tallest standing Buddhas until the Taliban regime destroyed them.

``When I first visited Bamiyan, I was very impressed with the sights of valleys, as well as local children, local people,`` said the globally acclaimed artist, known for his large laser-beam art works.

``Every time I go back, I feel the growing passion of wanting to create art there,`` he added.
Yamagata plans to show the images for two hours from sunset four days per week. He is still in negotiation with the Afghan government and local entities on how long the exhibition will last but it will likely be for years, he said.

The hi-tech project to recreate the destroyed cultural assets could also be important for the local economy in one of the world`s poorest countries.

To create the laser images, Yamagata plans to install 120 laser systems, 10 windmills and 11,988 solar energy panels.

Yamagata and the Afghan government anticipate the power generating systems would be able to supply about 100 watts for six hours daily to each household of the area which is still not being provided electricity.

Afghan ambassador to Japan Haron Amin said the project could transform Bamiyan into a tourist destination. He called it an ``eco-friendly, environment-friendly and energy-friendly concept.``

The Islamic fundamentalist Taliban, ignoring world protests, dynamited the two 1,500-year-old statues carved into the sandstone cliffs of Bamiyan in March 2001, branding them un-Islamic.

The regime was ousted later that year in a US-led military campaign after the September 11 attacks. In a parallel, the World Trade Center was represented by light rays in an artistic memorial after the twin towers were brought down by hijacked airplanes.
Afghan Minister of Information and Culture Sayeed Makhdum Rahin, attending a press conference in Tokyo with the artist, said the laser beams were an appropriate way to represent the destroyed statues.

``Three years ago when we had an international seminar on Afghanistan`s cultural heritage, many people wanted to discuss reconstruction of Buddha statues...I did not agree with the idea,`` Rahin said.

``Those statues belonged to a different generation, different time and different situation.
``I`d say let`s keep the spaces the way they are. Let these spaces be witnesses for what human beings did to culture and history in the beginning of the 21st century,`` he added.
Yamagata said he would agree with the minister ``even if I weren`t an artist using lasers.``
``We can`t change the history of destruction, so I myself think it would be silly to build something new to replace them,`` he said.

He doubted governments would provide financial support. Instead, he plans to raise donations by throwing charity parties and from non-governmental organizations and corporations.

He already has brought along celebrities onto his project committee including US actor Dennis Hopper, US actress Sharon Stone and Canadian film director James Cameron.
Asked about security in Afghanistan, much of which is racked by violence by Taliban remnants, Afghan ambassador Amin called on foreigners to visit Bamiyan but warned them not to go through the Pakistani city of Quetta near the border.

Earlier this year two Japanese schoolteachers, reportedly on their way to Bamiyan, were shot dead on an Afghan highway linking Pakistan to the Taliban`s former stronghold of Kandahar.

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#324 Posted by hamidm2 on November 2, 2005 8:49:09 am
Re: # 316

jay,

... i think you are over reacting ....... come and see me in islamabad this winter - i will show you some chemist shops where you can buy some stuff to calm you down ........ if not, we will get you you all the kingfisher beer or old monk rum you can drink ...... however, there is a conspiracy theory that claims that the indians are spiking that stuff with drugs that cause impotency in men ..............
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#323 Posted by Kulharee on November 2, 2005 8:44:23 am
Re: # 308

Khare Sahib.. .there are two schools of thought in Islam, one (Hanfi, of Iamm Abu Hanifa and Imam Malik) considers it a confirmed Sunnat (a practice of the Prophets), whereas the other school (Imam Shafi and Hanbal) consider it as mandatory (called “Farz” in Islam).

Either way, when something is considered Sunnat, automatically applies that it was something that was not ordained and not ordered by Allah.

You cannpt say that fasting is Sunnat, or Praying, or paying Zakat is a Sunnat (because it is Mandatory and Obligatory for Muslims).

As for as my Islam (of Imam Kulharee) is considered, one cannot have different Obligations based upon gender. Since women do not have penis, therefore circumcision is not Mandatory. Islam is a gender-blind and race-blind religion.
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#322 Posted by jay on November 2, 2005 8:43:21 am
Samia Sarwar,

There may be some who do not know about teh case of Samia Sarwar.

Samia Sarwar was a 27 year old woman, wanted a divorce from a cruel husband. Her mother was a doctor and father a business man. She came to teh office fo Asma Jahangir, teh famous human rights activist in pakistan. In her office, with Asma as teh witness, father shot dead teh daughter.

Asma was arrested for misleading a muslim woman. No one was charged with murder. It was the time of elected govt in pakistan, a resilution in Nawaz shareiff govt was defeated by 2/3 majority, the resolution only wanted to condemn the killing, no change in laws.

When Mushy came to power, in the first 100 days, the killer was invited to Mushy`y office with all the fan fare and assured that hoodood laws is kosher
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#321 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on November 2, 2005 8:38:47 am
Romair #233 {``Hmm.....

How exactly does this happen? Does one have to be a member of the Gay and Lesbian movement.......... ``}

Romair,
If you prefer. I was just posting a joke. The details of implementation are your responsibility - to each his own. :)
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#320 Posted by Netizen on November 2, 2005 8:37:55 am
jay:

chacha tahmed asked you a question:

whether you support dowry killings? reply in simple yes or no.


forget about the laws in the country just answer him.
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#319 Posted by jay on November 2, 2005 8:36:44 am
tahmed,

Once you start calling me names, you have already accepted the veracity of what I have said about pakistan. As you would have noticed, to me chowk is a market place of ideas.

I have pedelled a few in my recent visit to this market, ``the importance of Tanweer``, the future of POk relief, The accl;ereated decline of pakistan and the attack on US troops. If you care to see, the RPG attack on US helicopter came a day after I floated it on chowk,...at least some jihadis are reading my posts.

In any case , leave the personal matters alone, tell the world what aspect of pk law prevented filing of charge sheet when Samia Sarwar was killed.

There is nothing to be ashamed of , tell about the pak law, nothing personal, and has nothing to do with your personal beliefs
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