Bomb Blasts in Delhi

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Even legitimate causes lose any sympathy with this kind of behavior. Majority of indians dont care if kashmiris or pakistan have any legitimate claims. Their bahvior nullifies any such claims. That is the reason both pakistan and kashmiris elicit no sympathy whatever in India excep by the likes of fringe elements like farzana. I think future looks bleak for both India and Pakistan as they are both heading for a point of no return.

Pakistan and India must continue the dialogue and the peace process.

There are elements that do not want to see the two countires living together in peace. The group responsible for the Delhi blast is bent upon getting Pakistan and India to a fateful war. That is their agenda, and the hate that exists between the hawks on both sides of the border is their trump card. To them, violent killing of innocent people is the catalyst and the route to getting Pakistan and India to a war.

That group group seeks annihilation and must be stopped. Pakistan and India must not fall in that trap and must work together to catch the culprits and bring them to justice.

Whilst natural disasters rape the valleys and mountain ranges of our precious yet precarious Sub-continent, human Hitlers are hell-bent on carrying out a Guillotine in Sarojini Nagar and Govindpuri.

What adds salt to the wound is that this prostitution happens at the prologue of Eid and Deewali. Dastardly carnage and smoke pervades dark Dehli with scores of wounded innocents.

While Manmohan Singh and media vultures toe the official realpolitik and blame ``terrorists`` there should be further forensic and ballistic evidence before jumping the gun. Only then will a more just and informed prosecution take root. And may it be hard in its execution.

Let the informed readership at Chowk refrain from vomitting incitement and investigate themselves before succumbing to racism and ethnic bigotry.

A too often-trodden path in these electronic corridoors.

Keep your lighters up.

Hold a vigil up for all the victims today in Dehli.

A moment of silence for Dehli.

A moment of silenbce for the earthquake victims in Pakistan.


Ozer

Misinformation

This is precisely the kind of misinfo that the pakistanis try to spread. The blasts have nothing to do with diwali, but all to dod with the sentencing of two pakistanis, supposed to take place on saturday.

It is the same forces that hijacked a plane and secured the release of Asghar now a prominant political leader in pakistan and the other chappy, some omar , released from india and now sentenced to death for daniel peral killing, but not and not likely to be executed.

Time that the pakistanis accepot the relity of their society. At last another pak hero has come back, the london bomber. After all the talk about UK born terrorism, the reality has come home, the remains of the shahedd is given awarm welcome in the home town of faisalabad and burried with all of islamic hounours. The great shahedd, Tanweer, the so called nothing to do with pakistan, hero of london bombings.

Re: # 5

Jay

You leave no doubt that your vision of India is full of hatred of Pakistan; that your vision, strategy, and road to Indian prosperity and power is via destruction of Pakistan. You are no different, at least in your thoughts, than the ones responsible for the Delhi blasts.

Re: #3 by godot

[That group group seeks annihilation and must be stopped. Pakistan and India must not fall in that trap and must work together to catch the culprits and bring them to justice. ]


So for those of us who are lesser intellects, here is a direct question:

SO WHAT IS THIS GROUP THAT HAS CAUSED THE BOMB BLASTS?

Just the name will do, thank you.

Looking forward to the answer.

This horrible event is, sadly, going to be a heaven-sent for all members of the Pak-Bharat Dushmani crowd from both sides of the divide. Their agenda benefits, they have the motive.

But who are they?

Pakistani and/or Bharati extremists elements who do not wish to see the two sides burry their hatchets and get on with the job of building a future for their peoples.

I say, follow the money... and figuer out who gains from the political fallout that eminates from this nasty episode?

Re: #8 by SR

[But who are they?

Pakistani and/or Bharati extremists elements who do not wish to see the two sides burry their hatchets and get on with the job of building a future for their peoples. ]

Kind of like a 50-50 deal, eh? Everyone is equally good or bad?

According to CNN, a Kashmiri extremist group has claimed responsibility.

So then what happened here? They did it hand in hand with their RSS brethren, eh?

And the RSS are keeping shut letting the chronically honest extremists claim responsibility?

Have you EVER considered the possiblity that Muslims like you (and those are in the majority, I think) are seriously deluded, and just CANNOT face facts?

The REALITY, my friend, is that all religions are NOT the same. Just like all philosophies are not the same.

The REALITY is that those extremists, and those extremists alone, did it.

Stop lying to yourself.

Re: #6 by godot

[Jay

You leave no doubt that your vision of India is full of hatred of Pakistan; that your vision, strategy, and road to Indian prosperity and power is via destruction of Pakistan. You are no different, at least in your thoughts, than the ones responsible for the Delhi blasts]


I think I speak for the overwhelming majority of Indians when I say that India DOES NOT CARE ABOUT PAKISTAN. As far as we are concerned, the best scenario would be a 1000-foot high wall between the two countries, or better, see Pakistan drift away on a continental plate along with its superior-looking (according to lot of Pakistanis on this forum) people. Drift away, and disappear completely.

We don`t like you, we don`t want you, we do not want any association with you. You are like the plague we are trying to avoid.

Get this into your thick heads.

Timing of the blasts may hold the key

Udayan Namboodiri / New Delhi


The Group that carried out the Delhi bombings on Saturday may have budgeted for a major communal conflagration in the Capital and wider northern India to convert a week of celebrations into one of riots.
No Looking back: Shoppers back at Sarojini Nagar market on Sunday - PTI

A day after the serial blasts, when firm leads were yet to emerge, sources in the national security establishment grappled for general trends and saw the unmistakable signature of the Pakistan-backed Lashkar-e-Tayebba behind the whole tragedy.

The Ayodhya attack and New Delhi cinema house blasts earlier this year were early indications of the LeT`s strategy. Those had failed to make an impression and so its planners could have imagined that using the Diwali-Eid week for an operation was a better way to destabilise India. In its estimate, a riot during Diwali and Eid would certainly have been a spectacular event.

``The timing of the blasts could hold the key to their motive,`` a senior official said. ``It happened during the time of Iftar when Muslims were sure to be indoors breaking their fasts. That way the terrorists ensured that only non-Muslims got killed or injured. If they wanted to kill in an indiscriminate manner targeting both Diwali and Eid shoppers they would have struck later in the evening when the crowds would certainly have been thicker.``

The choice of Paharganj- and not Chandni Chowk- was equally significant. Firstly, being the approach road to the New Delhi railway station, a large number of victims would have been claimed. Secondly, that part of the walled city is more cosmopolitan than Chandni Chowk or Sadar Bazar. International tourists could also be hit.

Though a group calling itself the `Islami Inquilab a Mahaz` has claimed responsibility, it is nothing more than one of those typical signboard organisations which the LeT props up each time a strike is carried out. Several such names have been thrown at the media in the past -`` Salvation Front``, ``Al-Afreen``, ``Al- Mansoorian``, etc. as red herrings. They protect the image of Pakistan where the top leadership of Lashkar enjoys State patronage.

Another important thing about the Delhi blasts was that none of the locations saw a fidayeen (suicide) operation. For one, no traces of bodies with telltale marks of dismemberment by self-generated explosives have yet been found. What is more, a couple of eyewitnesses have given Delhi Police`s sleuths a general description of a suspect already. A man who arrived in the bustling Paharganj market in a rickshaw carrying a suspicious bag is now the focus. He apparently got off leaving a suitcase on the rickshaw and asked the rickshaw-puller to wait for him. The man never returned.

Minutes later, the bombs went off killing the rickshaw-puller. Delhi Police has been able to generate a sketch of this suspect based on the descriptions given by the eyewitnesses at Paharganj. Though 20 others have been picked up from various places around town over the past 24 hours, none of them amount to anything substantial.

It may be recalled that a LeT operative called Kamran (now lodged in Tihar jail) had set off nearly 30 blasts in and around Delhi over a three-month period. Each time he targeted shoppers at weekly markets attracting lower middle-class shoppers and managed to claim two-three lives per strike. The bombs were all low intensity and based on dyes, which he procured from factories in the Ghaziabad area.

When caught, Kamran confessed his links with the LeT, the presence of in-laws in Pakistan and a support network spread all over Delhi and Uttar Pradesh. In fact, he was one of the first terrorists to use the now commonplace Bangladesh route to enter India.

SR#8: For a long time every blast that occured in Pakistan, was blamed on RAW. Much like every blast in India is blamed on Pakistan............Hardly anyone was caught in either case.......

However, for the past two years or so, Pakistan has stopped blaming everything on RAW. In fact, hardly anything gets blamed on RAW, nowdays. Despite the fact that there are far more blasts in Pakistan, than in India (not countring Indian Kashmir).

Another interesting factor is that a lot of the criminals carrying out the blasts are getting caught in Pakistan. This includes the Sunnis who were killing Shias. The ones who killed the French Engineers. The ones who killed Daniel Pearl, etc.

I think the change occured, when Pakistan starting utilizing the services of foreign experts in investigating the various acts. I think the Americans etc. have given Pakistan quite a bit of sophisticated equipment to catch such individuals. In addition, by opening up these investigations to the world, and utilizing foreign agencies, the excercise in Pakistan has gained a lot of credibility.

This is what India should do. There shouldn`t be a knee-jerk reaction to blame Pakistan. So far that hasn`t happened. And it should utilized foreign investigative agencies and equipment to augment its own, in the research process. That will give it a lot of credibility and will assist in catching whomever did this...........

Otherwise it will turn into a case of he said, she said........

It is time humanity should realize that the modern terrorism though mostly committed in the name of Islam, Kashmir, etc., has nothing to do with any humane cause but is blatant anti-human killer mania. Its causes lie too deep to be tackled by security organizations as a normal security and law and order problem in a half-hearted fashion, as these organizations are wont to do. It requires motivation of entire humanity to wage a total war against its root causes, which lie deep in human psych. In fact these `NGO` terrorists are doing the same thing as `GO` terrorists have done or intend to do with their WMDs, like nuclear bombs. Z.A. Bhutto, while PM of Pakistan, had openly declared that he would have an atom bomb even if he had to make the people eat grass. He did get the bomb, but it could not provide safety for his own self even and the people of Kashmir, the Aazad one, have been made to eat grass by the natural nuclear bomb of the earthquake.

Allama Iqbal had said:

Khudawanda yih tere saadah dil bande kidhar jaaen
kih darweshi bhi ayyari he sultaani bhi ayyaari

(O God where these simple human beings are to go when both the state and the Islamic monks are cheaters) One can add `terrorist killers` in place of `cheaters`.

Re: # 10

Ajeya

``We don`t like you, we don`t want you, we do not want any association with you. You are like the plague we are trying to avoid.``

That is precisely the mentality of the group responsible for the Delhi blasts. That is precisely the bone stuck in the throat of India Pakistan relation and the peace process between the two countries. That is precisely the mentality on both sides of border that is holding everyone else hostage. Welcome to the club of the Jehadis seeking annihilation.

Here`s my two cents:

http://www.vinnomot.com/Kisan/DelhiBlasts.htm

Romair:

``However, for the past two years or so, Pakistan has stopped blaming everything on RAW. In fact, hardly anything gets blamed on RAW, nowdays. Despite the fact that there are far more blasts in Pakistan, than in India (not countring Indian Kashmir).

Another interesting factor is that a lot of the criminals carrying out the blasts are getting caught in Pakistan. This includes the Sunnis who were killing Shias. The ones who killed the French Engineers. The ones who killed Daniel Pearl, etc. ``

The two are connected. The Pakistanis did blame RAW for the blasts in Karachi till they found out it was Jehadi groups that did it. Even the attempts on Musharraf were done by Jehadi groups. The guy who killed Daniel Pearl was released by the Indians in exchange for the hijacked Indian Airlines plane. That whole operation was given ISI logistical support in Kathmandu. In fact, RAW supported Indian groups had orchestrated an attack on the main ISI person there but he survived. Later the same person, Moh`d Arshad Cheema was arrested with a load of RDX, even though he was a secretary in Pak Embassy in Katmandu.

I am including a Nepal news URL. The point is that the Jehadi monster is an ISI creation through and through, and bomb blasts in India and Pakistan both are being traced back to them. But, the ISI cannot go after the Jehadis because that is their only card in Kashmir. Pakistan Army does not want to sacrifice its own manpower for the liberation of Kashmir so it is the Jehadis that provide the cannon fodder.

http://www.nepalnews.com.np/contents/englishdaily/ktmpost/2001/apr/apr17/

Spy Vs Spy: Kathmandu turning into an intelligence hub

By Suman Pradhan

KATHMANDU, April 16 - Just a day before Muhammad Arshad Cheema, the erstwhile First Secretary at the Pakistan Embassy in Kathmandu, was scheduled to depart for home last week, he got into trouble. Big trouble.

A large cache of high energy RDX explosive was found in the Baneshwar apartment where Cheema was staying with his wife. Police, as a result, detained the Pakistani diplomat for over 24 hours before the government finally expelled him - for conduct unbecoming a diplomat - in the face of strenuous Pakistani protestations.

The episode may have been one more diplomatic flap in Nepal-Pakistan relations, but knowledgeable sources in government say, it also underscored once again just how far Kathmandu has gone into being a playground for regional intelligence agencies.

This city of 1.3 million today is a fertile ground for spies and counter-spies, informers and recruiters. Most are from neighbouring countries, notably from India and Pakistan whose RAW (Research and Analysis Wing) and ISI (Inter-Services Intelligence) agencies respectively are engaged in a perennial game of one-upmanship.

But the Chinese too have a keen interest in the happenings here as do the Bhutanese, whose officials are currently sparring with Nepali counterparts over the fate of the 100,000 Lhotsampa refugees stranded in camps down in Jhapa and Morang. And if world events are any indication, the recent spy plane row between the USA and China is only likely to increase the Americans’ interest in Kathmandu, given its physical proximity to China, as it did during the Cold War.

Security officials, requesting customary anonymity, point out that the situation of Kathmandu today is not unlike, say, Cold War-era Vienna or Berlin where East and West bloc spies vied to outmaneuver one another. Only in this case, the most active intelligence operatives have come from within the region.

``If anyone thought that Cheema was arrested purely through efforts of the Nepal police, then he is mistaken,`` acknowledges a security official. ``The Nepal police was assisted all the way by foreign intelligence.``

In fact, the officer who raided the Pakistani diplomat’s apartment, District Superintendent of Police Madhav Thapa, also pointed to a ``special source`` when asked from where the tip had come from about the explosives.

These ``special sources`` also aided the police sting operation in late 1999 when another Pakistani diplomat was caught red-handed in Kathmandu with counterfeit Indian banknotes. No prizes for guessing who these ``special sources`` are.

What attracts the rival intelligence agencies to Kathmandu is Nepal’s unique position in South Asia. This Hindu Kingdom has friendly relations with both the neighbours, has a comparatively open and liberal society (at least in Kathmandu), and direct air links to both India and Pakistan. Nepal also shares a long open border with India.

But perhaps most important of all is that, Kathmandu is crawling with locals, both government officials and private citizens, who are only too eager to assist or provide information to anyone for a price. Foreign intelligence agencies thrive in such a cash-first environment.

Case in point: the 16 kgs of RDX that was seized last week. How is it possible to smuggle such a large amount of the deadly explosives - by some estimates, enough to blow up an entire neighbourhood - without some sort of complicity somewhere?

``It’s difficult to understand,`` says a police officer. ``Such a large cache of explosives sitting around in an apartment is difficult to understand. It raises several serious questions about our monitoring capabilities.``

Coming back to Cheema again, it is ironic that the man should have found himself in trouble just a day before leaving Nepal for good. He may well have been a diplomat, but he had been accused by Indian intelligence of being the ISI’s point man in Nepal. Indeed, during the Indian Airlines hijacking episode of December 1999, the Indian press, quoting unnamed Indian officials, fingered Cheema as the person who had aided the hijackers in Kathmandu.

But Pakistan vigorously denied the charges then, and did so again after the latest episode. The Pakistani Embassy here last week came out with a scathing statement charging that Cheema had been ``framed on false and fabricated charges.``

The tit-for-tat intelligence game played here has often put the Nepal government in a difficult position. It values its relationship with all the neighbours, but does not relish its territory being used as an intelligence playground.

``Our position is that we will not allow Nepali soil to be used against any of our neighbours,`` Foreign Minister Chakra Prasad Bastola has reiterated several times in the past. But that is unlikely to deter rival agencies. Just like Cheema’s case is not the first such incident, it won’t be the last either.