Chowk Staff October 30, 2005
#128 Posted by tahmed32 on October 31, 2005 8:34:01 pm
and the truth is what is in the WP article i posted in #116, not the standard indian coverup you attempt in #125.
#129 Posted by tahmed32 on October 31, 2005 8:35:50 pm
hamidm #127 yup. Holloween Mubarak to you. ;-)
#130 Posted by Romair on October 31, 2005 8:44:39 pm
hamid mian #114: ``good try, but what does india stand to gain by having an ``international`` inquiry ? ......... at this point it can say and do anything it wants``
I don`t think so.
The group that counts in the USA is not WSJ or NY Times etc. It is the US President and his advisors. Everything else is just entertainment. Ask any American to point to Pakistan on the map, and they will have no clue. Ask them to point to India and they will not have any clue, either. Nor will they be able to name the Prime Ministers. This is despite the fact that WSJ does a lot of business......Pakistan and India are of no significance to Joe Six Pack in the USA............
Bush, Condi etc. haven`t said a word against Pakistan, since 9/11. Americans are concerned about one thing, and that is the Pakistani soldiers on the Afghan border. As long as they are there, everything is well and good.......Infact they are bending over backwards to say positive things. India has been blaming Pakistan for ages, and nothing has happened. No action has been taken internationally. Nor did India`s attempts to take any military action, against Pakistan, work.
The USA media is coming around. This is directly proportional to Pakistan building relations with Israel. Pretty soon, everyone in the USA media will placing Pakistan on the same pedestal as the maulvi govt. of Turkey and the King of Jordan. And the Dictator in Egypt - Three countries which have recognised Israel.
Sharon is going to be receiving a business delagation from Pakistan. Imagine. Even the head of Bhutan does not receive business delegations. This shows Israel interests in relations with Pakistan...........
So things aren`t as bad as you think. India will have to bring in int`l investigators. Or at least, present evidence internationally. What will it be able to achieve, if it doesn`t? Is it going to be able to attack Pakistan? No. Is it going to be able to get the USA to attack Pakistan? No. Is it going to, now, be able to get together with the Jewish lobby in USA and get Pakistan sanctioned? No.
Pakistan, after passing through the school of hard knocks, has finally got its strategy straight. It doesn`t make sense to send infiltrators into Kashmir. That did more harm to the indigenous struggle than good. These infiltrators were a fraction of the insurgents, yet India was able to paint them as the whole insurgency. Pakistan is now maintaining its policies, on Kashmir, while remaining at a distance........
India will have to come around also. I really don`t think it can blame everything on Pakistan, now, and get away with it.........It could five years ago. But not today. It will have to deal with the issues, openly. And when it does, it will discover, much like Pakistan discovered, that this terrorism in local. Not from Pakistan.........I am including Indian Kashmir as local also..........
In fact, Manmohan Singh has already blamed Pakistan, on cue, as per BBC. Nothing has happened. The world hasn`t caught on fire. Nobody in the world is going to take it seriously, unless evidence is provided..........
I don`t think so.
The group that counts in the USA is not WSJ or NY Times etc. It is the US President and his advisors. Everything else is just entertainment. Ask any American to point to Pakistan on the map, and they will have no clue. Ask them to point to India and they will not have any clue, either. Nor will they be able to name the Prime Ministers. This is despite the fact that WSJ does a lot of business......Pakistan and India are of no significance to Joe Six Pack in the USA............
Bush, Condi etc. haven`t said a word against Pakistan, since 9/11. Americans are concerned about one thing, and that is the Pakistani soldiers on the Afghan border. As long as they are there, everything is well and good.......Infact they are bending over backwards to say positive things. India has been blaming Pakistan for ages, and nothing has happened. No action has been taken internationally. Nor did India`s attempts to take any military action, against Pakistan, work.
The USA media is coming around. This is directly proportional to Pakistan building relations with Israel. Pretty soon, everyone in the USA media will placing Pakistan on the same pedestal as the maulvi govt. of Turkey and the King of Jordan. And the Dictator in Egypt - Three countries which have recognised Israel.
Sharon is going to be receiving a business delagation from Pakistan. Imagine. Even the head of Bhutan does not receive business delegations. This shows Israel interests in relations with Pakistan...........
So things aren`t as bad as you think. India will have to bring in int`l investigators. Or at least, present evidence internationally. What will it be able to achieve, if it doesn`t? Is it going to be able to attack Pakistan? No. Is it going to be able to get the USA to attack Pakistan? No. Is it going to, now, be able to get together with the Jewish lobby in USA and get Pakistan sanctioned? No.
Pakistan, after passing through the school of hard knocks, has finally got its strategy straight. It doesn`t make sense to send infiltrators into Kashmir. That did more harm to the indigenous struggle than good. These infiltrators were a fraction of the insurgents, yet India was able to paint them as the whole insurgency. Pakistan is now maintaining its policies, on Kashmir, while remaining at a distance........
India will have to come around also. I really don`t think it can blame everything on Pakistan, now, and get away with it.........It could five years ago. But not today. It will have to deal with the issues, openly. And when it does, it will discover, much like Pakistan discovered, that this terrorism in local. Not from Pakistan.........I am including Indian Kashmir as local also..........
In fact, Manmohan Singh has already blamed Pakistan, on cue, as per BBC. Nothing has happened. The world hasn`t caught on fire. Nobody in the world is going to take it seriously, unless evidence is provided..........
#131 Posted by ZahraJ on October 31, 2005 9:01:38 pm
There must be multiple unending screams after every bomb blast. It`s very sad and disappointing the way human beings disrespect the lives of fellow human beings.
There is something very weird about this coverage by Chowk Admin. The title says, ``Bomb Blasts in Delhi``. I am not sure why this coverage had to include a statement from the Pakistani Foreign Ministry. It seems as if there was Pakistani involvement in that blast therefore a statement covering the Pakistani stance had to be posted. This write-up should not have continued beyond Manmohan Singh`s remarks.
There is something very weird about this coverage by Chowk Admin. The title says, ``Bomb Blasts in Delhi``. I am not sure why this coverage had to include a statement from the Pakistani Foreign Ministry. It seems as if there was Pakistani involvement in that blast therefore a statement covering the Pakistani stance had to be posted. This write-up should not have continued beyond Manmohan Singh`s remarks.
#132 Posted by dharma on October 31, 2005 9:58:07 pm
Re: # 126 tahmed32
dharma: the truth about dowry burnings is as reported in the washington post article i posted in #116. and it is easy to see why - only an indian like arjun would mock ``paki deaths``. you people have a long way to go before you can pontificate to anyone, or call anyone ``terrorist``. you indian men are terrorists to your own wives and daughters.
dowry burning is a murder and the law applies. If there are lot of murders in US despite the laws against them do you say that all US men are terrorists? I havent seen a case in India that just because it is dowry related they take it lightly. the punishment is infact more severe. the issue would be if there is no case or if the punishment is light, like in the cases of honor killings and rapes in pakistant that you have to be worried. what is the cause of your worry thamed? the law stipulates severe punishment for dowry kiling or killing for any reason in India. so why are you making it a big issue? You think that if some one proves murder in india and it turns out to be dowry murder they let it go. I would want you try that and see you escape. moron!
dharma: the truth about dowry burnings is as reported in the washington post article i posted in #116. and it is easy to see why - only an indian like arjun would mock ``paki deaths``. you people have a long way to go before you can pontificate to anyone, or call anyone ``terrorist``. you indian men are terrorists to your own wives and daughters.
dowry burning is a murder and the law applies. If there are lot of murders in US despite the laws against them do you say that all US men are terrorists? I havent seen a case in India that just because it is dowry related they take it lightly. the punishment is infact more severe. the issue would be if there is no case or if the punishment is light, like in the cases of honor killings and rapes in pakistant that you have to be worried. what is the cause of your worry thamed? the law stipulates severe punishment for dowry kiling or killing for any reason in India. so why are you making it a big issue? You think that if some one proves murder in india and it turns out to be dowry murder they let it go. I would want you try that and see you escape. moron!
#133 Posted by dharma on October 31, 2005 10:08:20 pm
idiot like thamed pontificate about which murders are halal and which are haram. murder is a murder is a murder. But to mullas like tahmed a dowry murder is ultimate of all. those murderers are terrorists. not the ones that killes innocent bystanders in delhi. what double standards our resident mullah maintains:)
#134 Posted by dharma on October 31, 2005 10:24:47 pm
so what i am saying idiot tahmed is that your question should not be why are there lot of dowry murders, but why there is no punishment for dowry murders. And I would have said that there is an equal punishment if not more severe punishment for dowry murders as for any other murders. Now dont go pontificating why drug murders, or hate murders, or murders for money or other kinds of murders are better than dowry murders, you moron!
#135 Posted by ajeya on October 31, 2005 10:44:31 pm
#14 by godot
[Re: # 10
Ajeya
``We don`t like you, we don`t want you, we do not want any association with you. You are like the plague we are trying to avoid.``
That is precisely the mentality of the group responsible for the Delhi blasts. That is precisely the bone stuck in the throat of India Pakistan relation and the peace process between the two countries. That is precisely the mentality on both sides of border that is holding everyone else hostage. Welcome to the club of the Jehadis seeking annihilation. ]
If we do not want any association with Pakistan, THAT DOES NOT MEAN WE WANT PAKISTAN`S DESTRUCTION.
We just don`t want to have anything to do with you guys.
If you don`t have a logical argument to make, then don`t reply just for the sake of saying something.
[Re: # 10
Ajeya
``We don`t like you, we don`t want you, we do not want any association with you. You are like the plague we are trying to avoid.``
That is precisely the mentality of the group responsible for the Delhi blasts. That is precisely the bone stuck in the throat of India Pakistan relation and the peace process between the two countries. That is precisely the mentality on both sides of border that is holding everyone else hostage. Welcome to the club of the Jehadis seeking annihilation. ]
If we do not want any association with Pakistan, THAT DOES NOT MEAN WE WANT PAKISTAN`S DESTRUCTION.
We just don`t want to have anything to do with you guys.
If you don`t have a logical argument to make, then don`t reply just for the sake of saying something.
#136 Posted by mannyd on October 31, 2005 10:52:41 pm
Dharma:
Mr. Tahmed is from Sargodha and an expert in animal husbandry. The only other skill in life he has is beating Indians on the head with the stick of bride burning and dead fetuses.
Earthquake in POK exposes 3 million to death.
Burning Brides, Burning Brides
Bomb blasts in Delhi
Burnung Brides, Burning Brides
MM is raped by the order of Multan Panchayat-
Burning Brides, Burning Brides
MM gets an award from a US magazine
Burning Brides, Burning Brides
India launches a space rocket
Dead fetuses, dead fetuses
India IT exports increase
Dead fetuses, Dead fetuses
If you ask him for a connection, he`ll feign lack of time, demand tution or hide under a sturdy desk until his trmors subside. To call him an idiot is an insult to idiocy.
Tahmed, Have you done anything useful in life besides animal husbandry?
Mr. Tahmed is from Sargodha and an expert in animal husbandry. The only other skill in life he has is beating Indians on the head with the stick of bride burning and dead fetuses.
Earthquake in POK exposes 3 million to death.
Burning Brides, Burning Brides
Bomb blasts in Delhi
Burnung Brides, Burning Brides
MM is raped by the order of Multan Panchayat-
Burning Brides, Burning Brides
MM gets an award from a US magazine
Burning Brides, Burning Brides
India launches a space rocket
Dead fetuses, dead fetuses
India IT exports increase
Dead fetuses, Dead fetuses
If you ask him for a connection, he`ll feign lack of time, demand tution or hide under a sturdy desk until his trmors subside. To call him an idiot is an insult to idiocy.
Tahmed, Have you done anything useful in life besides animal husbandry?
#137 Posted by harish_hyd on October 31, 2005 10:55:29 pm
#127 by hamidm2
[tahmed,
........... you don`t think that people like gujju, ranjit, dharma, ranger and rsridhar are for real, do you ?...........]
What about tahmek, do you think he is for real?
[tahmed,
........... you don`t think that people like gujju, ranjit, dharma, ranger and rsridhar are for real, do you ?...........]
What about tahmek, do you think he is for real?
#138 Posted by mannyd on October 31, 2005 10:56:20 pm
ZahraJ #131 : ``This write-up should not have continued beyond Manmohan Singh`s remarks.``
You lost me there and probably everyone else except Tahmed32. Why is that ZahraJ? They forgot to submit it to you before publishing or what?
You lost me there and probably everyone else except Tahmed32. Why is that ZahraJ? They forgot to submit it to you before publishing or what?
#139 Posted by bbabu on October 31, 2005 10:58:35 pm
Romair #130
`` The group that counts in the USA is not WSJ or NY Times etc. It is the US President and his advisors. Everything else is just entertainment. Ask any American to point to Pakistan on the map, and they will have no clue. Ask them to point to India and they will not have any clue, either. Nor will they be able to name the Prime Ministers. This is despite the fact that WSJ does a lot of business......Pakistan and India are of no significance to Joe Six Pack in the USA............ ``
Sorry the opinion of CEOs of the fortune 500 companies counts. Presidents come and go. There is no assurance the next President will have the same views on Pakistan as George Bush. Microsoft, Texas Instruments, General Electric, Boeing, Cisco, Citicorp have significant amount of business in India.
`` Bush, Condi etc. haven`t said a word against Pakistan, since 9/11. Americans are concerned about one thing, and that is the Pakistani soldiers on the Afghan border. As long as they are there, everything is well and good.......Infact they are bending over backwards to say positive things. India has been blaming Pakistan for ages, and nothing has happened. No action has been taken internationally. Nor did India`s attempts to take any military action, against Pakistan, work. ``
`` The USA media is coming around. This is directly proportional to Pakistan building relations with Israel. Pretty soon, everyone in the USA media will placing Pakistan on the same pedestal as the maulvi govt. of Turkey and the King of Jordan. And the Dictator in Egypt - Three countries which have recognised Israel. ``
Jordan and Egypt have borders with Israel. Turkey is a NATO member with borders with ex-Soviet republics, Iran, Iraq and Syria. Pakistan is not in that league. Pakistan`s troubles with India is a liability for Pakistan.
`` Pakistan, after passing through the school of hard knocks, has finally got its strategy straight. It doesn`t make sense to send infiltrators into Kashmir. That did more harm to the indigenous struggle than good. These infiltrators were a fraction of the insurgents, yet India was able to paint them as the whole insurgency. Pakistan is now maintaining its policies, on Kashmir, while remaining at a distance........ ``
If Pakistan does not supply Kashmiri insurgents with weapons and bases for training Indian military will eliminate any armed resistance. Even with Pakistani help Kashmiri rebels never controlled a single village. LTTE in Sri Lanka, Burmese rebels, Northern Alliance in Afghanistan, Kurdish rebels in Iraq controlled large swaths of territorry for long periods of time.
`` The group that counts in the USA is not WSJ or NY Times etc. It is the US President and his advisors. Everything else is just entertainment. Ask any American to point to Pakistan on the map, and they will have no clue. Ask them to point to India and they will not have any clue, either. Nor will they be able to name the Prime Ministers. This is despite the fact that WSJ does a lot of business......Pakistan and India are of no significance to Joe Six Pack in the USA............ ``
Sorry the opinion of CEOs of the fortune 500 companies counts. Presidents come and go. There is no assurance the next President will have the same views on Pakistan as George Bush. Microsoft, Texas Instruments, General Electric, Boeing, Cisco, Citicorp have significant amount of business in India.
`` Bush, Condi etc. haven`t said a word against Pakistan, since 9/11. Americans are concerned about one thing, and that is the Pakistani soldiers on the Afghan border. As long as they are there, everything is well and good.......Infact they are bending over backwards to say positive things. India has been blaming Pakistan for ages, and nothing has happened. No action has been taken internationally. Nor did India`s attempts to take any military action, against Pakistan, work. ``
`` The USA media is coming around. This is directly proportional to Pakistan building relations with Israel. Pretty soon, everyone in the USA media will placing Pakistan on the same pedestal as the maulvi govt. of Turkey and the King of Jordan. And the Dictator in Egypt - Three countries which have recognised Israel. ``
Jordan and Egypt have borders with Israel. Turkey is a NATO member with borders with ex-Soviet republics, Iran, Iraq and Syria. Pakistan is not in that league. Pakistan`s troubles with India is a liability for Pakistan.
`` Pakistan, after passing through the school of hard knocks, has finally got its strategy straight. It doesn`t make sense to send infiltrators into Kashmir. That did more harm to the indigenous struggle than good. These infiltrators were a fraction of the insurgents, yet India was able to paint them as the whole insurgency. Pakistan is now maintaining its policies, on Kashmir, while remaining at a distance........ ``
If Pakistan does not supply Kashmiri insurgents with weapons and bases for training Indian military will eliminate any armed resistance. Even with Pakistani help Kashmiri rebels never controlled a single village. LTTE in Sri Lanka, Burmese rebels, Northern Alliance in Afghanistan, Kurdish rebels in Iraq controlled large swaths of territorry for long periods of time.
#140 Posted by mannyd on October 31, 2005 10:59:28 pm
#137: ``What about tahmek, do you think he is for real?``
Tahmed32 IS the imperfect `GOD`, Hamidm mocks all the time. He is not really GOD though, just has Allah`s cell phone.
Tahmed32 IS the imperfect `GOD`, Hamidm mocks all the time. He is not really GOD though, just has Allah`s cell phone.
#141 Posted by bbabu on October 31, 2005 11:32:02 pm
tahmed32 #117
`` the male-female ratio in india is about the worst in the world. worse even than pakistan - the nation indians like jay thakeray and arjun love to paint as being anti-female. the facts are the opposite - but facts never came in the way of indian propogandists (who fool only themselves, not anyone else). ``
By no means any rational person will argue Pakistani women are better off than Indian women. Things that are being debated in Pakistan are settled legally in India. The enforcement of the law is lot to be desired in some parts of the country.
In India the fertility rate is lower than Pakistan. The logic is simple. If you have 2 kids the probability of a couple have no boys is 25%. With four kids which is Pakistan`s fertility rate the probability is 6.25%. No guesses to where the female foeticide would occur.
Take the case of dowry burning deaths. I doubt it existed in pre-independence India. The ability of the Indian state to enforce laws against polygamy has created a situation where men have to get rid of their first wife to marry the second. Prior to Indian independence you just ditched your first wife and married the second one. Health care was bad enough that a lot of women died during child birth.
China has a worst male-female ratio similar to India. No one will argue Chinese women are among the worst in the world.
`` the male-female ratio in india is about the worst in the world. worse even than pakistan - the nation indians like jay thakeray and arjun love to paint as being anti-female. the facts are the opposite - but facts never came in the way of indian propogandists (who fool only themselves, not anyone else). ``
By no means any rational person will argue Pakistani women are better off than Indian women. Things that are being debated in Pakistan are settled legally in India. The enforcement of the law is lot to be desired in some parts of the country.
In India the fertility rate is lower than Pakistan. The logic is simple. If you have 2 kids the probability of a couple have no boys is 25%. With four kids which is Pakistan`s fertility rate the probability is 6.25%. No guesses to where the female foeticide would occur.
Take the case of dowry burning deaths. I doubt it existed in pre-independence India. The ability of the Indian state to enforce laws against polygamy has created a situation where men have to get rid of their first wife to marry the second. Prior to Indian independence you just ditched your first wife and married the second one. Health care was bad enough that a lot of women died during child birth.
China has a worst male-female ratio similar to India. No one will argue Chinese women are among the worst in the world.
#142 Posted by bbabu on October 31, 2005 11:43:08 pm
ahmadzai #25
`` As an aftermath of the earthquake in Pakistan, a typically worrying aspect of Pak-USA relationship has come to an end. The dislike for America by an average Pakistani has been replaced by goodwill for the USA. ``
Average Pakistani has no business disliking USA. It is not like USA has armed India or given India taxpayer dollars. If Pakistani is offended by US bombing of Afghanistan they can blame their own government for ignoring American requests to expel Bin Laden. If they dislike American support of Saudi royal family they should dislike their own military which provides military units to Gulf royal families.
`` In due course of time, Pakistan will also recognize Israel. We already have both formal and informal channels open where the dialogue is continuing. ``
I will wait until it happens.
`` As an aftermath of the earthquake in Pakistan, a typically worrying aspect of Pak-USA relationship has come to an end. The dislike for America by an average Pakistani has been replaced by goodwill for the USA. ``
Average Pakistani has no business disliking USA. It is not like USA has armed India or given India taxpayer dollars. If Pakistani is offended by US bombing of Afghanistan they can blame their own government for ignoring American requests to expel Bin Laden. If they dislike American support of Saudi royal family they should dislike their own military which provides military units to Gulf royal families.
`` In due course of time, Pakistan will also recognize Israel. We already have both formal and informal channels open where the dialogue is continuing. ``
I will wait until it happens.
#143 Posted by Ranjit on October 31, 2005 11:45:29 pm
To all fellow hindu interactors:
Lets all of us hindus unite and bring back the BJP into power in India. No more of this Sonia Gandhi, Manmohan Singh nonsense. Today we have a muslim president, sikh prime minister and a catholic woman as Congress Chief. Is this some kind of a bloody joke in a country of 800 milllion hindus? Why would these muslim, sikh and catholic people care about us hindus? They dont care if hundreds of hindus die every day from jihadies. On top of that this idiot Manmohan Singh is opening up the LOC. It is not enough that 61 people died. I guess he would like to see 6000 people dead as jihadies stream across from the LOC.
Why are we hindus so stupid that we do not want to rule our own country and take care of our own welfare? Cant we get together and find a suitable hindu among 800 million of us? If it means suspending some democratic norms, so be it. There is just one province Bengal which stands in our way, since it mindlessly keeps electing the CPM, which in turn supports the Congress. The communists are the number two enemy of India after the jihadies since they want to keep India in poverty and change demographics in favor of muslims. In this regard, the Pakistanis were lucky that they could get rid of the Bengalis. We Indians have no such luck with our Bengalis and are stuck dealing with their absurd preferences.
It is time we unite around our sanatan dharma, get rid of the lefties and bring back the BJP into power. I want to see someone with real spunk to become India`s PM. Not Advani who was grovelling at the feet of Pakistanis but someone strong who is willing to take risks and take the fight to the Pakistani camp. Eit ka jawab pathar se.
Lets all of us hindus unite and bring back the BJP into power in India. No more of this Sonia Gandhi, Manmohan Singh nonsense. Today we have a muslim president, sikh prime minister and a catholic woman as Congress Chief. Is this some kind of a bloody joke in a country of 800 milllion hindus? Why would these muslim, sikh and catholic people care about us hindus? They dont care if hundreds of hindus die every day from jihadies. On top of that this idiot Manmohan Singh is opening up the LOC. It is not enough that 61 people died. I guess he would like to see 6000 people dead as jihadies stream across from the LOC.
Why are we hindus so stupid that we do not want to rule our own country and take care of our own welfare? Cant we get together and find a suitable hindu among 800 million of us? If it means suspending some democratic norms, so be it. There is just one province Bengal which stands in our way, since it mindlessly keeps electing the CPM, which in turn supports the Congress. The communists are the number two enemy of India after the jihadies since they want to keep India in poverty and change demographics in favor of muslims. In this regard, the Pakistanis were lucky that they could get rid of the Bengalis. We Indians have no such luck with our Bengalis and are stuck dealing with their absurd preferences.
It is time we unite around our sanatan dharma, get rid of the lefties and bring back the BJP into power. I want to see someone with real spunk to become India`s PM. Not Advani who was grovelling at the feet of Pakistanis but someone strong who is willing to take risks and take the fight to the Pakistani camp. Eit ka jawab pathar se.
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