Bomb Blasts in Delhi

correction: 20th century

hamdim mian #28: There is something wrong everywhere. Every country has its Jerry Fallwells and Pat Robertsons. And dare I say even George Bushs. As well as Christian Rights and Evangelicals. Not to mention the RSSs and BJPs.....

You are concentrating too much on them in Pakistan. And not enough on them in other countries. Of all these countries, the ones in Pakistan are the least powerful. If they get a few hours on TV, that`s OK. Everyone deserves a chance to put up their arguments. There are quite a few other things on TV also.......I have always felt you are far too obsessed with narrowing in on just the few hours that they are on.........Jerry Fallwell, alone, is worth more than all these guys combined. And he openly states that anyone who does not consider Christ his savior is going to hell. And 23% of the USA population believes him.....

Don`t look at the people`s appearance. Look at their actions. If every mullah and every athiest in Pakistan, rush into an earthquake, to help others, then their heart is generally in the right place. And that is what counts...........Let everyone speak their mind on TV and in other places. Pakistanis are quite sensible. They want neither the mullah nor the merlot.........

Only the Indian government should be blamed for failing to deal with terrorism.
Terrorism is not a new problem for India. It’s been happening for the last twenty five years. Sikhs were the most brutal terrorists in India. It is the only country in the world which lost two prime ministers to terrorism. What preventive measure India has taken so far to deal with it? Diddly squat! It seems to me that Indian security personals are a bunch of hosebags.

It has $100 Billion in reserve, spends Billions of Dollars on Security and military, has the a booming IT industry and most likely the smartest people of the world live in India, but it can’t take care of piddle little terrorists that are using home made devices to rattle the whole country in to Crying. Spend some of the wealth to take care of the security.

How world’s fourth richest country could allow this? It is an accomplice in killing its own population because only talk and blame will not solve this problem.

Why should they blame anyone for terrorism? If you are not going to put your resources where your mouth is then you are going to wail like newly widowed woman every time some one launches a bomb from a bicycle.

I mean Indian people and the government are the strangest people in world. You have a problem you deal with and stop crying like wimps and blaming others.

The US took care of the problem and no more terrorism in the last four years. Europe, the prime target of terrorism has only two major attacks on it in the last four years.
Why Indians can do anything? Simply, the Indian government has conditioned its population to blaming others for the problems.

You know what happens when you have a conditioned response… you get a biscuit in reward.

Never been prouder of being a Delhiite than lately. Been going all over town in buses and must say, did not see any sign of any communal or other tension.

The amazing thing is that while certain elements of the foreign press go about trying to portray an ``emergency`` situation, ground reality is that life goes on.

The streets are as full as always, and so are the shops. Less than 24 hours after the blasts, the same markets, even the shops right next to the ones that got blown up, are functioning again.

It is now Monday morning, and I am back from an early morning ride on the Metro. Disembarked below the Old City, walked the stretch from Jama Masjid to Sisganj Gurudwara via Chandni Chowk. Then rode the Metro back to New Delhi, walked across to the spot where the blasts took place in Paharganj.

No screamin, no begging, only action.

aandhi aye ya toofan, bumb chalaye rakhna hai ... these ppl are worse than animals.

I strongly object to chowk staff opening a thread for recent incidents in Delhi.

Obviously, they can do anything but did they ever open a thread for terrorism in Karachi or Lahore and other places in Pakistan. What is so special about the terrorists’ attacks in India that chowk staff needed to open a site sponsored threat? I think this is pandering to Indians on this site.

If there was any human concern in it, then chowk staff should have opened a thread for terrorist attacks in Karachi where loss of life was much more than Delhi.

3 Godot,

Here we go again, you talk of elements on both sides. Is there an equivalent jihadi outfit in india, did any indian hijack aircraft to free those arrested and properly processed in India. The latest blast is in response to teh trial of two pakistanis. Pl give us the indians a break, there are pakistanis and the pak society at large that support jihad. The entire pak army has become a jihadic army and that si why it could not organise earth quake relief, and it is that jihadisation that led to the slitting of throats of indian troops captured in Kargill.

Pl, pakistan is a different kettle, and the pak hatered is well known. The prroof from the london bombing is simple `` the hatered for kafirs come from the mothers milk of TNT, it makes no difference whether one grew up in lindon or in faisalabad``, The venom of TNT is in the biology and fittingly, Tanweer has been brought back to the land that instilled the jihadic spirit in him, to inspire a new generation of juhadists.

Clearly, a jihadi buried in london is nothing, in pakistan he is a shaheed a hero for the new generation.

Godot,

The foght is not between the hate mongers and the peace lovers, it is between the realists and the un-realists. All through the world, from afgyhanistan to london to philippines to india, pakistanis have been invoved in terrorism. It is due to the basuc premise on whiuch the country was founded, TNT. It has given a political dimension to hatred, please leave out the Zia story. The hoodood and jihadi culture created by him has survived several govts of various kinds in pakistan. It is the edicated of pakistan that is the root cause, people like you talking about kashmir problem.

What is the kashmir problem, oh domination by the hind7us, how about hoodood and rape of muktar mai, well that is per the book, so that is fine, ni human rights issues,
Godot, it is people like you who talk of human rights in kashmir, bevause india is democratci, but finds no ossues with the case of muktar mai because pakistan is an islamic republic.

Only when the educated talk of pakistan, then only there will be peace. Indo pak conflict is a conflict of values, between the educated, pkiatssnis like you. Take any pak news paper so much written by the educated in opinion adn letters to the editors about kashmir, hardly any on hoodood, because it is per the book.

Godot, stop the ritences, only when you realise that the human roghts issues in pakistan are worse than in kashmir, then only there can be any kind os indo-pak peace.

There is no point in being angry against Pakistanis and the jehadis. They are our enemies and will remain so for eternity. Trying to persuade them to change is asking for the impossible. What we Indians need to focus is on how to plug the security loopholes. Clearly our borders with Nepal and Bangladesh are a HUGE problem. It does not get attention as all our focus is on Pak border and LOC. The ISI knows that the Pak border is sealed and the LOC is fenced. They may be able to get a few people in that way, but their real push is via Nepal and Bangladesh. It is extremely easy for Pakistanis to send jehadis to Nepal and Bangladesh. Then these guys can take advantage of porous borders and infiltrate into India.

Hence India must immediately institute a visa policy with Nepal, so that people`s backgrounds are checked before letting them in. The borders at Nepal and Bangladesh MUST be sealed at the same level as they are with Pakistan on the west. Under no circumstances should we have soft borders with Pakistan. That would be like committing suicide. Whatever thaw has happened so far with Pakistan is good enough. No need to change any more.

Secondly India needs help from local muslims. They are the easiest to recruit for any terrorist plot, especially when money is offered. So our intelligence agencies must have a strong network with muslim community leaders and the mullahs. The mullahs have major influence over muslims and we need to buy them over to our side. In addition, a strong network of muslim informers is a must. These can be ordinary muslims in each muslim locality who will inform authorities of any suspicious activiity, any new person moving in etc.

Truth about pakistan,

Pakistan is the only country where jihadis are supported by the govt, where the organisations that claim responsibility have wide popular support. That is the only country where jihadis are recruited to the army. Aftyer the earth quake it the jihadis working with the pak army. Jihad is deep rooted in pak society, where it finds wide spread support among the educated, the only country where they talk of the madrassas providing education and supporting the poor.

JJihad is so engrained in the pak society so that there are shaheed society and monuments every where, the notion of martyrdom by killing the kafirs is the noblest act. This pervasiveness is because of the educated, the integration of islam with politics through TNT.

There is fencing on indo pak border, fencing the afghan border, the jiahdic frontiers are to be fenced.

Look at the lates from Musharaff, he is proposing demilitarisation of kashmir as a solution. Well no educated pakistanis finds the absurdity, a military ruler talking of demilitarisation, so that the jihadis can rule and infiltrate to rest of india. It is this kind of absurdity and the support of such by the educated of pakistn is the problem.

Problem of pakistan is not poverty, it is the education, it is the eudcated taht are the problem, the k for kafir educated, the likes of YLH, godot and romair.

Yet another absurdity,

Pakistan is setting up five camps along the loc to help the indian kashmiris.
Did you forget that pakistan has offered help for india, a few tons of releif supplies.
Did any pakistani know that there was no UN conference to help the indians.
The sad truth is that the policies of pakistan are being framed by the most educated of pakistan. One wonders what education means to them, or for that what it means to godot and YLH

#38 by HP

[What is so special about the terrorists’ attacks in India that chowk staff needed to open a site sponsored threat?]

You surely know the difference between suicide and murder, don`t you? That`s the difference between terrorism in Pakistan and terrorism in India.

Re: # 43 and all others.
I am seriously disappointed to find hate mongers like this on Chowk. You are completely forgetting about humanity and accusing muslims of being enemies of humanity - do you realise such accusations can be made of aome aspect of any religion.
You really seem to think that all muslims are terrorists - harimau`s comments extraordinarily fascistic - why dont we try reversing these comments and replace muslim majority populations with Hindu population of India....maybe thats what it will take for you to see how disgusting this is on a human basis.
Does it not occur to you that maybe, just maybe you are providing the best possible justification of the TNT. i.e.there was some point in trying to get away from bigots like you? And secondly, just get over it. India was never united except under the British, so `koi baap ki jagir nahin chheeni`. Face facts - if Palestinians can come to terms with the existence of Israel I really dont see your problem with the existence of Pakistan.
Thank God bigots are in a minority on both sides..only problem they cry so much louder. I really should save my breath to cool my porridge...I can only expect a barrage of abiuse or `facts` that prove all pakistanis/muslims are below the level of rabid dogs.

re: unconventional warfare
The world is today facing an unconventional enemy, an enemy without a face. A coward at that. This enemy kills innocent men, women and children and hides, pretending to be a well wisher. Indians know who the enemy is. They can`t do anything because they do not have the balls.
The only way to defeat terrorism is counter-terrosism. Increase the risk to the enemy. Make it clear that they will have to take 10 times the damage.
Take a leaf out of Israel`s response to every terrorist attack.
You can`t bargain with mad people. What do u do with a rabid dog? Don`t u kill the dog? You don`t sit and try to cajole a rabid dog, do u?
Sridhar

Re: # 38, HP asks: ````What is so special about the terrorists’ attacks in India that chowk staff needed to open a site sponsored threat? I think this is pandering to Indians on this site. ````

I don`t know about chowk staff, but maybe the special thing about the Delhi terrorist attacks was that they were very well coordinated and the number of deaths were under reported in the media.

In addition, Karachi attacks are, to the best of my knolwedge, all about strife between different sects and by those seeking freedom, obviously nothing to do with terrorism. Right?

re:#35 by HP
stop your nonsense, man.
It is coming to light that the militants across the border were involved. Keep your sympathies for the earthquake victims. God knows they need them.
India helps Pakis with 20 million dollars of money, materials during Pak`s worst crisis and look what they do in return.
As a proud US citizen and an NRI, i have this to say: thanks for your sympathies but we have seen your true character.
Sridhar