Why Doesn’t the World Care?

Aamir - my personal feeling is that you have too much hatred within yourself. You need help, believe me. May I suggest a shrink?

Mohar

No, not an education to create hatred, but to create the basic level of common knowledge required to understand and interact with the wider populace.

It is astonishing how often one runs into Indians whose understanding of the majority community and their ways is far less than zero. That cannot be good for any nation.

IMHO, without understanding there can be no sympathy, without sympathy there can be no community, and without community, subversion is a natural consequence, no matter how many `a few people` you take care of.

Ajeya #352, {``How about a few bombs in Jumma Masjid on Eid?``}
Good idea. The British wanted to tear it down but reneged on their promise. I just can`t stand their Imam Bukhari, the mullah who runs the place.

{``How about trying my suggestion for the next 500 years?``}
Now that`s long-term thinking - make it an even K just to be safe!

{``Ban the Haj pilgrimage, saving tons of money that is being spent on Saudia Airlines. Save the Rs. 150 crore Haj subsidy. If any Muslim so much as says ``Boo``, lock him up for 30 years.``}

Damn! I didn`t know that? Anything to hurt the Saudis - go for it man. :)
BTW BOO

{``There are these terahertz frequency scanning machines. They see through clothes and everything. So, a pants-drop-down test to check for Muslimness is not necessary most of the time.``}

Ajeya, why do you take the fun out of everything? I hate technology. :)

{``No voting rights for Muslims in India. If any Christian wants both the right to convert and reservations, nail him to the cross in a public place so that the Christians will learn to shut up.``}

It`s about time. Muslims can`t vote anyplace else, so why should they vote only in India? You will try anything to usurp those born-again Christian tourist dollars, won`t you?

{``Free-fire zone is a valid response in times of war. When the jihadis declare war on India, they should be prepared for the response. After all, all of India is Dar-ul-Harb according to Muslims. Let us show them what a true war zone looks like.``}

That reminds of Churchill`s famous speech ``It will be long. It will be hard. And it will be bloody.`` Immediately Churchill`s rating among women went up. Ajey, you are quite a pol yourself. :)

{``It is weak-kneed hand-wringing Hindus like you who are the bane of India. Did the Muslims try a bomb in Ahmedabad, Gujarat? No, because they know exactly what they will get in return. ``}

Arey, Ajeya Bhai, you are getting carried away. The Moose Limbs did not try a bomb in Ahmedabad because it is already quite gutted. A jihadi bomb would elicit the sympathies of overseas Dunking Donusts and Motel 6 Gujjus and result in billions of dollars for reconstruction for a brand new sparkling metropolis of Modiganj, the new name of Ahmedabad.

Relax, enjoy. Life is sweet courtesy of Mullah Parsi Papa High School Walla

#364 by rsridhar on November 9, 2005 7:57am PT


It too wants civilian reactors for its energy needs.


Wanting and getting are two different things...What is the big deal about this deal anyway? I don`t see any desis lobbying for it....They`re trying to get Dubya to visit India..

No Indian-style nuclear deal for Pakistan

By Khalid Hasan

WASHINGTON: The United States has no intention of offering Pakistan the kind of nuclear cooperation deal it signed with India in July this year, according to Nicholas Burns, under secretary of state.

Testifying before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on Wednesday, Burns, who was in New Delhi two weeks ago, when asked if a similar deal may be demanded by Pakistan, replied, “We have an important relationship with Pakistan. We are not offering the same deal to Pakistan, for a variety of reasons. As said by Secretary (of State Condoleezza) Rice, it is necessary to dehyphenate our policy in South Asia. For a long term, it has been a zero sum nature of relationship in the region. It is time to have a full-blown relationship with Pakistan in counter-terrorism, but with India, we can have a separate relationship.”

He said the July 18 accord with India, signed when Prime Minister Manmohan Singh paid an official visit to Washington, is a strategic relationship in the civil nuclear field. He disclosed that Rice met President Pervez Musharraf at the UN and briefed him about the deal with India. Asked if Pakistan would accept the emerging relationship between the US and India, he replied he could not say if Pakistan is happy about it or Gen Musharraf is happy about it, but some Pakistani officials have stated that they would like the US to have a similar relationship with their country. He called the deal with India a “unique arrangement”.

After his testimony, in an informal chat with journalists covering the hearing, he was asked by this correspondent what Gen Musharraf had said to Rice when she briefed him on the Indo-US nuclear agreement of July 18. He declined an answer. It is learnt that Pakistan’s reaction so far has been “businesslike”.

Re: # 362 kaal
[... Pakistan does a far far better job of educating its minorities...]

You mean the K for kafir education[to borrow the term from Jay]? No thanks.... we are doing fine the way we educate our minorities or the way the minorities educate us[the best schools are christian-run]......

Like I said - all we have to do is remove the blinkers and dump the sel-defeating political-correctness - we have to recognize that there are substantial number of subversive elements within community of muslims - we need take care of such people ...... That`s all.....

Otherwise - we are doing fine.....

re:#363 by arjun_m
Pakis were very enthusiastic about Gas pipeline (someone even wrote an article in Chow). Suddely it has fizzled out. Why? As i had predicted, Uncle Sam put his foot down. Now Pak won`t get its free lunch (the transit fee). But it is now fuming at the prospect of US built civilian reactors. It too wants civilian reactors for its energy needs.
Pak seems to be India`s alter ego. It likes to do forthwith what India does!
It thinks there is no H and D lost here. I think the whold world is laughing.
Sridhar

This is rich...First pakis tell us they don`t need help...then they whine about not receiving help..

Help in kind is a joke...it`s a subsidy for the manufacturers in donor countries...they`ll give one tent at a price that would buy 10 tents in Pakiland..

$9.5m of $2bn world pledges received so far

By Ansar Abbasi

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan has so far received a paltry sum of less than $ 10 million in cash for earthquake relief operation from the world capitals against over $ 2 billion pledges, it is learnt. A government spokesman when contacted on Tuesday reluctantly confirmed to The News that only $ 9.5 million had so far been transferred to the country’s kitty by the world capitals.

Details of the cash inflow as shared by a senior Prime Minister Secretariat source on condition of anonymity reveal that Malaysia and China top the list by giving Pakistan one million dollars each. None of the world’s biggest economies except USA are included in the list of those who have given cash, no matter how little, to Pakistan. The US gave $ 100,000.

Afghanistan, Azerbaijan, Brunei, Nepal, Maldives and Bhutan are among those countries that have translated their pledges into cash. Afghanistan has given $ 500,000; Austria $ 500,000; Azerbaijan $ 500,000; Brunei $ 600,000; Nepal $ 50,000; Maldives $ 30,000; and Bhutan $ 50,000.

The government is pursuing hard through the Foreign Office and the EAD to get the pledges of $ 2.1 billion translated into cash transfer, but it is not getting much encouraging response with most of the countries insisting to contribute in kind and services.

The USA has pledged $ 156 m, Saudi Arabia $ 133 million; Britain $ 58.3m; Turkey $ 150m; United Arab Emirate $ 100m; Kuwait $ 100m; Japan $ 70m; Germany $ 30.7m; China $ 20m; Canada $ 49m; Australia $ 10m; Norway $ 26m; Sweden $ 15.3m; Switzerland $ 15.6m; Netherlands $ 26m; Denmark $ 13.7m etc. The authorities are completely unsure as to what would be they finally getting out of the total committed $ 2.1 billion. ``Perhaps peanuts,`` a source apprehended.

With regard to happiness etc., the determining factor is not how you treat someone, it is how you educate the person. Pakistan does a far far better job of educating its minorities than we do with ours.

Re:dharma and rsridhar,

Gentlemen, I suggest that we ignore this pakistani parsi fool Behram or Besharam. This guy and his family has been so brutalized in Pakistan that he has lost his mind and mindlessly parrots support for muslims. It is like an abused woman who keeps getting raped and beaten up by her abusive husband but still keeps hanging on to him and even protects him. After all, if you are getting raped and have no other option, might as well lie back and enjoy it. It is the sign of extreme slavery to try and make your master happy in the hope that he will show you some mercy once in a while. You can see that in roadshows where a pet monkey will perform tricks to make his master happy.

That is the same situation with Behram. He is a slave in Pakistan, a pet monkey of the muslims. The tragedy is that he is so conditioned by his circumstances, he does not even realize his own slavery. For him, slavery is normal. If he complains about Pakistan, most likely he and his family would be attacked and killed in Pakistan. The women in his house would get abducted and raped. Hence he has been conditioned from childhood to lick the feet of muslims and behave that the muslim $hit smells like ice-cream on a 24/7 basis.

On top of that he has the delusion that muslims will give any respect to Zorastrianism based on monotheism. In Iran, the muslims wiped the parsis out and threw them into the ocean. It is us hindus who gave them a chance to survive. Of course, now this moron wants to support muslims against hindus, which just shows what a low class, ingrate he is.

re: Yousuf Yohanna`s conversion to Islam
Yousuf Yohanna was a prominent Christian Cricketer in Pakistani crikent team. Often people have quoted his presence as a sign of Pak`s secular credentials. It was shocking to hear of his conversion to Islam. People made it out to be voluntary. It is more likely that he felt this was the only way to further his career. As a christian minority in Pak, he had no career prospects and his life was insecure.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yousuf_Youhana
(Yousuf was one of the few Christians to represent Pakistan, but announced in September 2005 that he had converted to Islam. He changed his name from Yousuf Youhana to Mohammad Yousuf on his conversion. Media reports suggested he converted to better his chances of gaining the captaincy, but he denied it, and said that he had embraced Islam three years earlier but kept it secret.)
And, this from an interactive site:
http://www.pakp.com/2005/09/yousuf-youhana-embraces-islam-news.html
(Teammates confirm Yousuf Youhana’s conversion to Islam
By Waheed Khan
I read this news in The News Pakistan dated Saturday September 17, 2005-- Shaaban 12, 1426 A.H.
This is very shocking news for the entire cricket fans that one of Pakistan`s star batsman converted to Islam? This might be joyful for the Pakistani cricket team but it is very sad for the Pakistani Christians and Christians all over the world who prayed day and night for his success, and when ever he played, many cricket lovers had fasting for his success.
One is surprised what are the reasons behind his conversion? Was he threatened by the team or close friends that this is the only way he could survive in Pakistan team and may be he would get a chance to take over as a captain in Pakistani team in future.
In this regard Zee News reported last time that:
Zee News Lahore, Apr 03:
Is Saeed Anwar trying to convert Yousuf Youhana?
Quote
``Lahore, Apr 03: Is former Pakistani opener Saeed Anwar trying to convert the team`s vice-captain Yousuf Youhana?
Pakistani media reports claim the stylish former opener is coaxing Youhana, a Christian, to embrace Islam and that has spawned large-scale debate in the country.`` Unquote).
The above is an eg of ethnic cleansing. It does not have to be violent. Sometimes, it can be subtle. A threat here, a bribe there, an offer of promotion (or as in Youhana`s case, captaincy of the team).
Sridhar

Re: # 349

Dear rsridhar:

Those Pakistani sugar canes are really working now. Drip-drip, Drip-drip. Get that electronics guy from banged galore to give some low voltage to your empty skull. Those rocks need to be aligned, I suppose.

But, again, some people need their clocks also watched. Do you feel those rocks turn at 12:00 noon? You, poor soul you.

Respectfully submitted,

#355

Pakistans media, like its government in a kneee jerk response of having to `break bad news`, and probably with its mind on how gleeful Indians would be, started off with small figures.

After sometime, when the `news` had sunk in, merely increasing the death toll a little further, would do no harm. And it did nt.

Imagine the scenario where the Paki media said ` half a million are feared dead` and half a million more will die in a few months. What an impact would that have made?

Kofi Annan and hid grand dad too, would have run around asking for aid.

#346 by behram1 on November 7, 2005 7:10pm PT


And if you really want to know the depth of it. Parsees are mono-theistic, and so are the muslims.


yup..that`s the key...mono-theistic religions always get along with each other..

I posted this in a differrent board. Maybe this place is more apt..

Other than finding it unbelievable a ``minority Parsi`` could vehemently support Pakistan, the posters need to analyze the reasons..

There could possibly be two reasons.

1. Being a ``minority`` does not always imply that you get the raw deal. Socially sdvanced countries and societies have legal and constitutional safeguards for their citizens to practice whatever they want. Religious minorities for the most part don`t feel discriminated in such societies..

2. Using ``state terror`` in the form of legal and constitutional restrictions to enforce ``minorities`` have no equal rights (essentially the status of ``dhimmis`` as mentioned in Quran) and the option is either ``death`` or ``migration``.

Examples: The general situation of minorities in the ``Islamic world``, The ``spanish ultimatum to Jews and Muslims`` in 1490s, and recently in Godhra, Gujarat, the Muslim councillors claim that they`d sit in the BJP camp even if the BJP is not willing to take them.. That`s because of the slogan ``Pakistan or Kabaristhan``..

We would ideally like ``case 1`` to be practised all over the world. But as the ``terrorist strikes`` based on ``islamic documents/ideals`` increase, even the ``socially advanced`` countries are moving in the direction of ``case 2``.

So people need to prepare themselves for getting ``baptised`` if they or their future generations want to stick around in the west..

Thanks Parthaab.

However, Katrina was not a success story in terms of how it was handled by the govt. Rita was perhaps a better one - more hype created immediately and proactively and hence the damage was controlled more effectively.

Regardless of how Pakistani media may have acted in the first week (in terms of casualties) the world media, UN and other humanitarian agencies have been warning of the 3m homeless and the `second wave of deaths`. Sadly not much has been done - which reinforces the hypothesis of the article. Media - good or bad - is one of the key contributing factors.

# 324,


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4134255.stm

Thats Sri Lanka alone for you! Why did nt the Paki media say that in `this` village alone, 20000 are feared missing and 20000 may die in the cold? Why does nt the Paki media make up its mind on what it wants the public reaction to be like?

Of course, the image of a 30 foot wall of tsunami water itself should have made an impression.

But look at what the US did to make a flood and a hurricane look like? It publicised FEMAs demand for 50000 body bags. After 9/11, it said some 20000 were `trapped` and missing.

And why does politics have to mix with religion, giving Pakistani religion a stink? Is nt that reason enough for a already anti muslim western media to cringe at talk of aid?