Aamir Ibrahim November 3, 2005
#321 Posted by queen_cut_paste on November 7, 2005 1:29:44 am
Pakistani Police Arrest and Fire Tear Gas Azad Kashmiri Quake Victims
from BBC available at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4413318.stm


Pakistani Police arresting a victim
Tear gas fired at Kashmir border
Pakistani police arrest a Kashmiri man at the LoC
Pakistani police have fired tear gas shells to disperse hundreds of angry Kashmiris as a crossing on the region`s de facto border was opened.
India and Pakistan struck a deal to open five points along the heavily militarised Line of Control to help victims of last month`s earthquake.
But only relief materials are being exchanged and civilians are not being allowed to cross yet.
Hundreds of Kashmiri villagers on the Pakistani side of the divide approached the Line of Control (LoC) shouting ``Let people cross`` and ``What we want is freedom``.
Police fired in the air and lobbed tear gas shells after which they left the scene, reports say.
On Monday, Pakistani and Indian army officials shook hands as they threw open the LoC at the Rawalakot-Poonch crossing.
Relief trucks than backed up to the line and Indian porters began handing over sacks to their Pakistani counterparts.
Immigration, customs and foreign currency exchange facilities have been set up, along with public telephones and a mosque.
But Kashmiri civilians may have to wait another 10 days before they can travel to get first-hand news of their relatives.
One villager, Mohammed Saleem, described it as mere drama.
``If we can`t go in there,`` he said pointing to the Indian side, ``then it does not make much difference for us.``
from BBC available at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4413318.stm


Pakistani Police arresting a victim
Tear gas fired at Kashmir border
Pakistani police arrest a Kashmiri man at the LoC
Pakistani police have fired tear gas shells to disperse hundreds of angry Kashmiris as a crossing on the region`s de facto border was opened.
India and Pakistan struck a deal to open five points along the heavily militarised Line of Control to help victims of last month`s earthquake.
But only relief materials are being exchanged and civilians are not being allowed to cross yet.
Hundreds of Kashmiri villagers on the Pakistani side of the divide approached the Line of Control (LoC) shouting ``Let people cross`` and ``What we want is freedom``.
Police fired in the air and lobbed tear gas shells after which they left the scene, reports say.
On Monday, Pakistani and Indian army officials shook hands as they threw open the LoC at the Rawalakot-Poonch crossing.
Relief trucks than backed up to the line and Indian porters began handing over sacks to their Pakistani counterparts.
Immigration, customs and foreign currency exchange facilities have been set up, along with public telephones and a mosque.
But Kashmiri civilians may have to wait another 10 days before they can travel to get first-hand news of their relatives.
One villager, Mohammed Saleem, described it as mere drama.
``If we can`t go in there,`` he said pointing to the Indian side, ``then it does not make much difference for us.``
#320 Posted by harish_hyd on November 6, 2005 10:50:37 pm
#241 by hamidm2
[- we continue to follow his tradition the same way you follow hanuman`s tradition of abducting women and then running up a coconut tree .............]
Hanuman abducted women? This post is as stupid as it is funny. Hamidm Sahib, you know very little of your own religion (not that it is a bad thing, in fact that probably is the reason why you are saner as compared to the Urstruly and tahmed32 types), but you know even little about other religions. I think you should stick to gabby and God, and leave the others to worry about religion.
[- we continue to follow his tradition the same way you follow hanuman`s tradition of abducting women and then running up a coconut tree .............]
Hanuman abducted women? This post is as stupid as it is funny. Hamidm Sahib, you know very little of your own religion (not that it is a bad thing, in fact that probably is the reason why you are saner as compared to the Urstruly and tahmed32 types), but you know even little about other religions. I think you should stick to gabby and God, and leave the others to worry about religion.
#319 Posted by harish_hyd on November 6, 2005 10:49:59 pm
The world doesn`t care for Pakis because Pakis haven`t exactly have been hospitable to the world.
11 French Engineers working on the Scorpene (or was it Agosta) submarines are blown to bits by a suicide bomber in Karachi prompting the New Zealand cricket team to call off its tour midway through.
3 US workers working for a US oil company are shot dead in Karachi.
Aimal Kansi shoots and kills 2 CIA workers just outside the office at Langley and then flees to Pakistan where he is sheltered for some time before US pressure forces Pakistan to give him up.
Daniel Pearl is brutally beheaded on camera by Paki Jihadis despite pitiful pleas by her pregnant wife and the video circulated throughout the world as a testament to the hospitality of Pakis.
Why would any sane man want to help Pakis after such fine examples of their hospitality?
11 French Engineers working on the Scorpene (or was it Agosta) submarines are blown to bits by a suicide bomber in Karachi prompting the New Zealand cricket team to call off its tour midway through.
3 US workers working for a US oil company are shot dead in Karachi.
Aimal Kansi shoots and kills 2 CIA workers just outside the office at Langley and then flees to Pakistan where he is sheltered for some time before US pressure forces Pakistan to give him up.
Daniel Pearl is brutally beheaded on camera by Paki Jihadis despite pitiful pleas by her pregnant wife and the video circulated throughout the world as a testament to the hospitality of Pakis.
Why would any sane man want to help Pakis after such fine examples of their hospitality?
#318 Posted by faisaluno on November 6, 2005 6:49:44 pm
achcha, ub samajh may aa-eetu bath. tu iss leeyah internet pey pakistani bun raha hai cause you want to pick up pakistani men. wasiay tu sahee jagah aa-ya hai. yahan tujhay mill ja-ain ``gay`` tairay type ka loag.
#317 Posted by Kulharee on November 6, 2005 6:43:29 pm
Re: # 316
Faisal, aa meray pass aa, tujhay 2 din maiN poori Pujnabi Sikha dooN ga.
Faisal, aa meray pass aa, tujhay 2 din maiN poori Pujnabi Sikha dooN ga.
#316 Posted by faisaluno on November 6, 2005 6:35:34 pm
abey tu upnay aap ko insaan samajhta hay bey? aur tu kaisa pakistani hay? kiranchiwalay kub say punjabi may bath kernay lagay? mard ka bucha bun or urdu may bath ker. shahbash.
#315 Posted by Kulharee on November 6, 2005 6:28:45 pm
Re: # 314
Oye..tu apnay aap ko Aadmi samajhta hey? Wah Wah. Isokay ma boy, isokay.
In punjabai we call it PatliyaN TangaN, polas Mukabla.
Oye..tu apnay aap ko Aadmi samajhta hey? Wah Wah. Isokay ma boy, isokay.
In punjabai we call it PatliyaN TangaN, polas Mukabla.
#314 Posted by faisaluno on November 6, 2005 6:25:02 pm
abey, tu internet pay doosaray pakistani mardon kee fikr karna chor or upnay kaam say kaam rakh. shahbash.
#313 Posted by Kulharee on November 6, 2005 6:22:04 pm
Re: # 311
Faisal Yaar, main India pay nahee, Teray pay Garam ho raha hooN.
Faisal Yaar, main India pay nahee, Teray pay Garam ho raha hooN.
#312 Posted by Behram1 on November 6, 2005 6:19:14 pm
Re: # 302
Dear Aamir:
You went to school with someone and after years you find him corrupt, then I imagine you would call him corrupt. Wouldn`t you?
You ask what makes a person corrupt? This is a very good question that has never been answered. Please don`t expect Intezar Public of Pakistan to be proactive. Thinkers are a luxury item in our part of the world.
It seems that I was right when I asked you that somehow you are the mouth piece of this Pakistani administration, when you write...[I have some of my friends and acquantainces from Aitchison who are now either Ministers, MNA`s or advisors to the government.] And this is where you pick up their spoken dialogue.
To answer your other questions[Is it the office that corrupts them or is it the corruption within them that seeks such offices?] Both. When most of them get away with corruption then it is the whole system that need to be revamped. And please don`t mix the corrupt institutions of Pakistan and its benefactors with Intezar Public of Pakistan. This is what I have been arguing with Romair at the other site.
O! Aamir, my dear Aamir, it is not fair to compare Britishers with Intezar Public of Pakistan. British society which is based 100% on law and order can never be comapred with the rubbish that has been going on in Pakistan since 1957.
In one of my earlier post to Romair (I believe!), I noted that according to one estimate the Net Worth of Pakistani expats is around $100 Billion. If these Pakistanis can contribute only 1%, then our President does not have to go begging the entire western world.
Further, we have upteen thousands of Pakistani Doctors in the expat community, and for the most part well off. How many of them are volunteering to help? Why do we see so many western faces helping?
You ask ....[And how would I (or Joe Honest) act if given a similar chance?] In a sewer most people get mudied. Most honest Intezar Public of Pakistan are trying to leave that mess. And those who could, have already done so. Just go and have a look at any of the foreign embassies. Heck, not too long ago, even the government was caught in human trafficking.
I agree with you when you take on this leadership by being [Mine are Scream, Be Angry, be productive, be challenging. Be whatever we can be except being complacent and resigning.]
Respectfully submitted,
Dear Aamir:
You went to school with someone and after years you find him corrupt, then I imagine you would call him corrupt. Wouldn`t you?
You ask what makes a person corrupt? This is a very good question that has never been answered. Please don`t expect Intezar Public of Pakistan to be proactive. Thinkers are a luxury item in our part of the world.
It seems that I was right when I asked you that somehow you are the mouth piece of this Pakistani administration, when you write...[I have some of my friends and acquantainces from Aitchison who are now either Ministers, MNA`s or advisors to the government.] And this is where you pick up their spoken dialogue.
To answer your other questions[Is it the office that corrupts them or is it the corruption within them that seeks such offices?] Both. When most of them get away with corruption then it is the whole system that need to be revamped. And please don`t mix the corrupt institutions of Pakistan and its benefactors with Intezar Public of Pakistan. This is what I have been arguing with Romair at the other site.
O! Aamir, my dear Aamir, it is not fair to compare Britishers with Intezar Public of Pakistan. British society which is based 100% on law and order can never be comapred with the rubbish that has been going on in Pakistan since 1957.
In one of my earlier post to Romair (I believe!), I noted that according to one estimate the Net Worth of Pakistani expats is around $100 Billion. If these Pakistanis can contribute only 1%, then our President does not have to go begging the entire western world.
Further, we have upteen thousands of Pakistani Doctors in the expat community, and for the most part well off. How many of them are volunteering to help? Why do we see so many western faces helping?
You ask ....[And how would I (or Joe Honest) act if given a similar chance?] In a sewer most people get mudied. Most honest Intezar Public of Pakistan are trying to leave that mess. And those who could, have already done so. Just go and have a look at any of the foreign embassies. Heck, not too long ago, even the government was caught in human trafficking.
I agree with you when you take on this leadership by being [Mine are Scream, Be Angry, be productive, be challenging. Be whatever we can be except being complacent and resigning.]
Respectfully submitted,
#311 Posted by faisaluno on November 6, 2005 6:12:45 pm
abay kulharee, tu kyun garam ho raha bey? yeh news india kay baaray may hai. taira iss say kya matlub?
#310 Posted by Kulharee on November 6, 2005 6:07:43 pm
Re: # 309
Faisal,
3 Indian Muslims were killed? Well, that’s sad. That and the 2 French Muslim killed by the Frogs 10 days ago brings the total to 5. Thanks for keeping the tally Faisal.
The 3 died in Lucknow, what Firka did they belong to? The Berbers killed in Paris were unemployed Salafis.
Faisal,
3 Indian Muslims were killed? Well, that’s sad. That and the 2 French Muslim killed by the Frogs 10 days ago brings the total to 5. Thanks for keeping the tally Faisal.
The 3 died in Lucknow, what Firka did they belong to? The Berbers killed in Paris were unemployed Salafis.
#309 Posted by faisaluno on November 6, 2005 5:55:28 pm
i know cows are revered in india but even still:
http://www.hindunet.com/onps/showarticle.php?pb=8&ag=5&a=20507
LUCKNOW,NOVEMBER 6: Hindu activists attacked a Muslim village in northern India, torching homes and killing three people, after hearing rumors that cows, considered holy by Hindus, were slaughtered for the Islamic Eid Al Fitr celebrations, police said Sunday.
...Three Muslims died and over 40 houses were torched, Shirodkar said. He said a police investigation revealed no cow had been slaughtered in the village. Authorities deployed paramilitary forces in and around Mehndipur, located about 35 kilometers (20 miles) east of state capital Lucknow. Uttar Pradesh is India’s most populous state, and about 15 percent of its 180 million people are Muslims.
#308 Posted by Kulharee on November 6, 2005 5:47:16 pm
Re: # 302
Ahi....
>>>>>David Blunkett, a Secretary in Tony Blair`s government had to resign (again) for having a conflict of interest of an investment of 15,000 pounds in another firm. He was a politician but the people decided his fate. We as individuals in Pakistan need to demand similar accountability and that is what I mean by the individual taking more responsibilty about the state of our nation. We are not merely props in this national drama. Its time we take the leading roles.
How? I`m sure you have some good suggestions. Mine are Scream, Be Angry, be productive, be challenging. Be whatever we can be except being complacent and resigning.<<<<<
Very interesting, inspirational and assuring thoughts. But how do you propose we held them accountable who entered the system thru backdoor. It is like asking to debate the existence of Allah with a Mulla who is self-proclaimed representative of God on earth. How can you hold Dictatorships accountable? Are you suggesting a full-fledged armed freedom struggle by Pakistanis to take over their government from these self imposed thugs? I like your thoughts.
Ahi....
>>>>>David Blunkett, a Secretary in Tony Blair`s government had to resign (again) for having a conflict of interest of an investment of 15,000 pounds in another firm. He was a politician but the people decided his fate. We as individuals in Pakistan need to demand similar accountability and that is what I mean by the individual taking more responsibilty about the state of our nation. We are not merely props in this national drama. Its time we take the leading roles.
How? I`m sure you have some good suggestions. Mine are Scream, Be Angry, be productive, be challenging. Be whatever we can be except being complacent and resigning.<<<<<
Very interesting, inspirational and assuring thoughts. But how do you propose we held them accountable who entered the system thru backdoor. It is like asking to debate the existence of Allah with a Mulla who is self-proclaimed representative of God on earth. How can you hold Dictatorships accountable? Are you suggesting a full-fledged armed freedom struggle by Pakistanis to take over their government from these self imposed thugs? I like your thoughts.
#307 Posted by parthaab on November 6, 2005 5:39:33 pm
Re: # 299
In the case of the tsunami, the figures were in the 6 figures almost from the beginning.
What reason could be there for the huge discrepancy in the estimates given for the earthquake?
In the case of the tsunami, the figures were in the 6 figures almost from the beginning.
What reason could be there for the huge discrepancy in the estimates given for the earthquake?
#306 Posted by parthaab on November 6, 2005 5:39:12 pm
Re: # 299
In the case of the tsunami, the figures were in the 6 figures almost from the beginning.
What reason could be there for the huge discrepancy in the estimates given for the earthquake?
In the case of the tsunami, the figures were in the 6 figures almost from the beginning.
What reason could be there for the huge discrepancy in the estimates given for the earthquake?
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