Songs of Dissonance

Dear Madani saheb,

I know.......we are living in the depressing times..............I have shunned reading religious books with their details of gore, conspiracies and divine justices........they depress me even more with the hindus all around me......so I have stopped everything...............I read milan kundera, sartre and other existentialists.......the bring greater sukoon than any of the mullahs farting around.............I know Pakistan can be depressing because the adab of ghalib and faiz was conciously replaced by mullahs with PAk Studies........it is depressing to see that we do not have any left parties in Pakistan.............it is depressing to see no classical music which has been overtaken by vulgar quawallis and ghazals........

.it is indeed wrong for anyone to call you as a pervert...............the best way to get out of depression is to vent yourself of your anxieties.........................do go out for walks in the morning ...............atleast two hours...................and listen to some Dhrupad ...............you can download some dhrupad of Ustad Nasir Aminuddin Dagar from the net.......I listen to them regularly..............and get transported to the 8 th heavans without any Buraq............

with regards,

Ballu Khan Warasi.

Re: # 94 Dear Ballukhan.....I are reasonable.
The american justice will take care of OBL and company.
It is not hard punishments that ditter criminals to get in wrong way with USA govt. It is finality of justice which scares the people like OSB. American and Israel govt has well deserved reputation for having long memory. I have heard still USA govt deports people who were doing criminal activities in 1939s. The commitments made by USA govt are not political but more institutional commitments to bring justice to criminal, they may use illeagal ways to catch them but at trial ,the trials are fair and open and justices are not ordered to follow. I have commented many times to have no army take overs we need American justices appointed on Supreme courts. There are no moral corougeous justices. Army uses them as rubber stamps.

My problem with Mr. Arjun he only finds faults and problems , hope he can give some good news also. He is intelligent and resourceful person and have nothing to say negative about him.

Tell me honestly what I have written to be termed as a PERVERT. I feel bad around age of 60 some body tells me I am pervert. I have lead very simple truthful life raised my daughters , good husband, good supervisor, good friend , am baffled by such thing. I am extremely intelligent person people who even talked once will tell me. I have taught my daughter MSc grade mathematics, taught elder daughter civil engg, taught middle daughter mechanical engg. I use to study their books and teach them and I have two years of college. When I was working even at high level people under me will come and ask what they should do about their personal problems. They use to come ask sir you have time ? I always use to say I am very busy but only busy person has time. Sit down see what can be done. I never let one word pass beyond my ear. Women will come and ask me what dress they look good in for some usa boy is coming regarding martimony. I will tell her if complexion is dark, or whaet what will go better. I even use to tell how they should light house and some times visit place and tell some changing thing so girl will appear at best. This much was confidence of people for my good taste, discreteness.
Recently ( 4 years) have been suffering by ailments and depression. This use to give me good window to look out as I rarely venture out due to problems of anxity.
I terribly feel sad to have offended some person from indian city. Inadverdently I may have said something offensive ? I do not know. I feel saddened.

I wonder people who are well educated and well versed in wordly things and have benefit of seen differt parts of world feel same may ? I hope to correct myself if some body can tell me my mistakes. I hope people like DMitter, Hamid, Romair, Jay, mantos,Mr. Arjun and all other can tell me for I want to correct and avoid mistakes.

wish good 2006 for all.

Re: # 90


This is simply classic:

``He has opinion so what is problem .``

.............if I may add, with due apology to Mr. Madani, the problem is that so many of us do not have our OWN opinion (i.e. an opinion not boot-strapped to ALL opinions of some other person or a small set of persons).

GT.

Re: # 91

Today is a good day for me. My visit to chowk was not a waste. Thank you Mr. Madani. Someday, you should reveal a bit more about yourself......I know I have not revealed myself either......but then I am not a genius.

Each of the following jewels from Madani (except perhaps 9 and 10) express more than what many writers here in chowk have tried to express.

Jewels from Madani (91):

1. ``If you get chance once I wrote a letter to my family of my trip to India. ( would like to get copy of that and see what I felt at that time, is there way to locate)``

2. ``When I study the calculus of indian democracy can say such complex drama was never played and will never be played in world history ( with time many complexities will be factored out, its unbeatean paths will become well travelled and it will not be as complex or as intrigueing say after 50 years).``

3. ``12 Indian companies are traded in US exchanges and some with very high P/E ratios. I have no jalousy or envy in such matters.``

4. ``Pakistan and muslim societies very much like the sexual content of Indian or western societies and we desire same in our lives but we do not want in our society.``

5. ``( I have not visited real foreign country like usa, uk,canada, Germany- real white countries)``

6. ``All males like sexual content in society and we are afraid and muslims men specially are so terrified to such extent that we are paranoid , want to supress that.``

7. ``I have met many pakistanies who went and lived in Holy Cities and holy nations but they do not want to live there as they they say what is life for foreigner in such dry faceless societies.``

8. `` Due to lack of expression of these things a normal sublimatiom the men and women undergoes with passage of time is nonexistant in more repressed societies. I agree in sense I and many others live in muddied pond ,or in wells (as you said)as frogs and we have no easy way to come out of it.``

9. ``That picture is Bhangara on motorcycles to welcome James Bond 007 ?``

10 ``with best wishes for happy 2006.``

GT.

#284, you point isn`t clear logically speaking, and by this I mean no offense to you- It does not make much sense that the creator provided for the ``lower`` needs, like food, environment etc, for his creation- which is an emprical fact by the way- and forgot to or didnt care to provide for the ``higher`` need of one of his created species- a mind that asks questions and needs answers- that my friend is the position of revelation viz a viz the creator.

Re: # 90
Madani Sahib,
Many thanks for your kind advice and words of support, I will try to appreciate my garden and hope its not attacked by the scourge of this earth.

Sincerely
Arif

Re: # 94

does it matter if you tolerate the mullahs in your backyards?

Yes......the silent conspirators are all around us...........

Re: # 91

Madani saheb...............OBL is still around alive and kicking.......and shopping around for dirty bombs....and we have the great intellectuals around us providing their implicit support to whatever nonsense they spout on al-jazeera.......................and we all praise the almighty for letting OBL strike terror in the hearts of the un believer........................to think that the fascist only use terror to strike terror in un believers would be to display an IQ of a donkey.............madani saheb you would be next on the list...............how can you be an imbecile to ignore what is going on in Bangladesh where the ISI inspired Islamists are running their mafia to take control of that country?............if asking you to wake up is being a prophet of doom...so be it........because doom is already foretold by your mullahs..............

``That picture is Bhangara on motorcycles to welcome James Bond 007 ?`` Madani saab that was hilarious.

# 91
Pakistan and muslim societies very much like the sexual content of Indian or western societies and we desire same in our lives but we do not want in our society
What a pervert you are.

Re: # 77

Ms Sandhu... I really enjoyed the picture. Hope one day we can have such things wide spread in feudal areas of my country. I am quite old fashioned but move with time or dragged by time, I moan but move with. I got message when my daughter told me what she thinks , and acquiesced , gave my consent quitely without protest but without enthusiasm. I have travelled to India few times for work related to travel, lodging and entertainment related possibilities. If you get chance once I wrote a letter to my family of my trip to India. ( would like to get copy of that and see what I felt at that time, is there way to locate) I have deep empathy for Indian democracy and largest , complex drama , with thousand subplots . When I study the calculus of indian democracy can say such complex drama was never played and will never be played in world history ( with time many complexities will be factored out, its unbeatean paths will become well travelled and it will not be as complex or as intrigueing say after 50 years). With only about 3.5% of land mass and 16% world population its not easy by any standard. Still people survive and flourish with culture and reasonable life standard. The Indian companies are getting little freedom and they are showing class at world level, 12 Indian companies are traded in US exchanges and some with very high P/E ratios. I have no jalousy or envy in such matters.

Pakistan and muslim societies very much like the sexual content of Indian or western societies and we desire same in our lives but we do not want in our society. When we travel to India or west( I have not visited real foreign country like usa, uk,canada, Germany- real white countries) we are delighted streets full of women and women going with good dresses, satisfacion and happiness nochalantly and nobody taking notice of them. Women not afraid to travel in big cities and need no protection and general decency of males compared to say city like karachi in busses. All males like sexual content in society and we are afraid and muslims men specially are so terrified to such extent that we are paranoid , want to supress that. I have met many pakistanies who went and lived in Holy Cities and holy nations but they do not want to live there as they they say what is life for foreigner in such dry faceless societies. Due to lack of expression of these things a normal sublimatiom the men and women undergoes with passage of time is nonexistant in more repressed societies. I agree in sense I and many others live in muddied pond ,or in wells (as you said)as frogs and we have no easy way to come out of it.

I just does not like attitude of Mr.Arjun as he always sees negative and is messenger of doom.

That picture is Bhangara on motorcycles to welcome James Bond 007 ?

with best wishes for happy 2006.

Re: # 83

JJ is fine. He has opinion so what is problem . Some people feel still moon landing was fake. It does not matter ?

You take good care of your daughter. I always think its more responsibility than boys as we care more for them. Its kind of watering the neighbors garden as they just go away to have their family. We need to do good job and stand by and be ready to help. Like in garden we can take out weeds it would have been nice we can take out and whip lafanga boys , but lufangas are too many.

Do not get distressed as your daughter may say you can not understand her and you are kind of backward retard. They do not mean it really. Its really hard as both side do not understand each others language. Fortunately time goes and again we start understanding each other. They start doing ``nakhara``, lipstick,looking in mirror all times,getting too many clothes, combing hair excessively it is sign of time and take it in stride. Nothing much can be done , just tighten belt and ready for rough ride. Do stand by but please donnt stand in way it will not be appreciated.

It worry time for fathers but when you retrospect at later years you can enjoy mentally the metamorphism of larve in Butterfly ready to fly like eagle without reference in sky, free at last and ready to rise. Just like many books epilogues are far better all daughter ( most cases) appear to have done fine when you look back.

Good luck.


Sincerely
Ahmed Madani

I`ll get back to you ... or have Rozaiba, a fellow Ismaili, get back to you.

#76, you got the ``financial transaction`` claim from the site (http://women.rationalreality.com) I told you about and then dishonestly presented it in a half-baked fashion without the answer given on the site, how do I know that, well when the testimony claim is presented most have no clue that it is limited to ``financial transactions`` and then you repeat the slight error in that article because it is not about testimony but about bearing witness to a written document involving DEBTS. Regardless, the FACT is that in certain cases women`s testimony holds greater weight than a man`s according to the Quran, which disproves the allegation that the Quran considers women inferior because in certain instances it wants two women to witness instead of one- which has good reasons in that case by the way. So you cannot generalize based on testimony laws that one is greater than the other- not possible because in some cases the Quran gives GREATER weight to the testimony of women.

#74 most speakers of English in the world understand Quran as Koran that is my reason for spelling it such- the purpose being that the book I am talking about is easily identified- in this regard Koran is a much more expedient rendition than Qur`an- which may confuse many readers.

MantoLives:
i am not making any point here. i couldnt find the info on the web about the divine status of Ali and Allah in Ismaili faith. And since, you suggested somewhere here about reading up on Ismaili faith, i am assuming you would know about it. So could you elaborate on Ali?


Thanks.

PS: or for that matter anyone who knows about it.

Re: # 85

It is time Dr Farrukh Saleem said that unambigously that Diagnosis 2 is the correct diagnosis than clubbing the two together and leaving the readers to decide................his silence on the issue makes him appear to be a fence sitter.......................