Songs of Dissonance

Re: # 91

Madani saheb...............OBL is still around alive and kicking.......and shopping around for dirty bombs....and we have the great intellectuals around us providing their implicit support to whatever nonsense they spout on al-jazeera.......................and we all praise the almighty for letting OBL strike terror in the hearts of the un believer........................to think that the fascist only use terror to strike terror in un believers would be to display an IQ of a donkey.............madani saheb you would be next on the list...............how can you be an imbecile to ignore what is going on in Bangladesh where the ISI inspired Islamists are running their mafia to take control of that country?............if asking you to wake up is being a prophet of doom...so be it........because doom is already foretold by your mullahs..............

Re: # 94 Dear Ballukhan.....I are reasonable.
The american justice will take care of OBL and company.
It is not hard punishments that ditter criminals to get in wrong way with USA govt. It is finality of justice which scares the people like OSB. American and Israel govt has well deserved reputation for having long memory. I have heard still USA govt deports people who were doing criminal activities in 1939s. The commitments made by USA govt are not political but more institutional commitments to bring justice to criminal, they may use illeagal ways to catch them but at trial ,the trials are fair and open and justices are not ordered to follow. I have commented many times to have no army take overs we need American justices appointed on Supreme courts. There are no moral corougeous justices. Army uses them as rubber stamps.

My problem with Mr. Arjun he only finds faults and problems , hope he can give some good news also. He is intelligent and resourceful person and have nothing to say negative about him.

Tell me honestly what I have written to be termed as a PERVERT. I feel bad around age of 60 some body tells me I am pervert. I have lead very simple truthful life raised my daughters , good husband, good supervisor, good friend , am baffled by such thing. I am extremely intelligent person people who even talked once will tell me. I have taught my daughter MSc grade mathematics, taught elder daughter civil engg, taught middle daughter mechanical engg. I use to study their books and teach them and I have two years of college. When I was working even at high level people under me will come and ask what they should do about their personal problems. They use to come ask sir you have time ? I always use to say I am very busy but only busy person has time. Sit down see what can be done. I never let one word pass beyond my ear. Women will come and ask me what dress they look good in for some usa boy is coming regarding martimony. I will tell her if complexion is dark, or whaet what will go better. I even use to tell how they should light house and some times visit place and tell some changing thing so girl will appear at best. This much was confidence of people for my good taste, discreteness.
Recently ( 4 years) have been suffering by ailments and depression. This use to give me good window to look out as I rarely venture out due to problems of anxity.
I terribly feel sad to have offended some person from indian city. Inadverdently I may have said something offensive ? I do not know. I feel saddened.

I wonder people who are well educated and well versed in wordly things and have benefit of seen differt parts of world feel same may ? I hope to correct myself if some body can tell me my mistakes. I hope people like DMitter, Hamid, Romair, Jay, mantos,Mr. Arjun and all other can tell me for I want to correct and avoid mistakes.

wish good 2006 for all.

Re: # 94

does it matter if you tolerate the mullahs in your backyards?

Yes......the silent conspirators are all around us...........

#58

Masadi….That women have half a man’s testimony (and zero if not accompanied by a man’s testimony) in financial transactions is common knowledge.It is also contained in Article 17 of the Qanun e Shahadat of Pakistan. So masadi, I did not have to, and did not in fact go to the link you pasted. Indeed, you give yourself too much credit if you think I would go to a silly link suggested by a self opinionated twerp like you. Your post tells me is that you are a presumptuous twit. It also tells me that whether or not I went to that link and am being dishonest or not, you definitely are a dishonest guy whose own mind definitely works in these cryptic ways and therefore thinks nothing of accusing others of such things. Exemplary muslim behaviour...is it ? Btw..is that how the criminal justice system works in Islam too ??? By accusing people on whims ?

However, your nonsense and personal attacks on me aside, the fact remains

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for all on chowk to see

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that you NEVER answer the real questions. By now there are about half a dozen that you should have answered. But no. You will do anything but answer the question. Why ????

Raw dust...

The point I was making was in respect to theological beliefs but generality...

Out of discussion:

I don`t know where it is heading but the article is really cool and valid up mark.

Want to insert through this board that those people who say Koran instead of Quran no matter how menaingful or less they debate about it don`t show the due privilege to the book so much respectable to muslims. And if they are muslims then this doesn`t make them liberal by twisting urdu or arabic language and showing false weak familiarity with language.

If its by mistake then people should set straight their qibla.

Cheers

Re: # 74

I am sure Mr Masadi would like to comment on this, his article is titled

``KORAN & KARL POPPER`S CRITICAL RATIONALISM``

here is the link to his article

http://rationalreality.50webs.com/sci.htm

Re: # 277

Brfore I can preempt more charlatan science getting propounded on the site by the Islamists read this :

Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 421
Narrated Abu Dhar:
The Prophet asked me at sunset, ``Do you know where the sun goes (at the time of sunset)?`` I replied, ``Allah and His Apostle know better.`` He said, ``It goes (i.e. travels) till it prostrates Itself underneath the Throne and takes the permission to rise again, and it is permitted and then (a time will come when) it will be about to prostrate itself but its prostration will not be accepted, and it will ask permission to go on its course but it will not be permitted, but it will be ordered to return whence it has come and so it will rise in the west. And that is the interpretation of the Statement of Allah: ``And the sun Runs its fixed course for a term (decreed). That is The Decree of (Allah) The Exalted in Might, The All-Knowing.``

I am sure every body can understand that it is not a scientific theory but a view of the world utilizing common everyday metaphors ......................but the literalist idiots would like to see a scientific theory in it...............

Ahmedmadani sahib is a character all his own. It may take longer to get to know him, but the effort can be well worth it.

i think if someone can memorize an arcane book in a foreign language, medicine would be a piece of cake...at least with memorization of all the latin based terms.

MantoLives:
terms easily understandable to the common

Could you please do me naacheez a favor and explain the basic tenets regarding Ali being Asaas or something like that in Ismailiya faith. What exactly is Ali`s equation with respect to Allah? and how do exactly Ismailis back it up ?

Thanks.

Mrs Manto: Pakiland is a theocracy...get over it..

in a theocracy, things like this are common..

Christian student files petition against 20 marks for Hafiz-e-Quran students

* Asks LHC to quash policy or make parallel policy for minority students

By Ali Waqar

LAHORE: A Christian student has filed a constitutional writ petition to the Lahore High Court (LHC) for instant action, under Section 151 of the Criminal Procedure Code (CrPC), against the policy of awarding 20 additional marks to a Muslim hafiz-e-Quran (who has learnt the Quran by heart) candidate for admission in the MBBS and others, saying that it was discrimination against minority students and a violation of fundamental rights granted by the Constitution of Pakistan.

The petition, which is the first of its kind, has demanded the LHC either abolish the policy or make a parallel policy of awarding 20 additional marks to minority students for MBBS admission on the basis of their religious knowledge/study.

Qandeel, a Christian and daughter of Benjamin Robert Sultan, filed the petition through her counsel Rana Aamir Iftikhar and Waseem Ahmed Shahzad against the King Edward Medical College principal, who is also the Admissions Board chairman, and the Punjab Health Department. She has also asked the LHC to grant her a stay and restrain the Admissions Board and Punjab government from commencing MBBS 2005-06 academic session classes in medical colleges of Punjab till the final disposal of the petition because the selection of students for admission in medical colleges had been made on basis of discrimination and ignoring the rights of the petitioner (minority representative).

Re: # 65

LAHORE: A Christian student has filed a constitutional writ petition to the Lahore High Court (LHC) for instant action, under Section 151 of the Criminal Procedure Code (CrPC), against the policy of awarding 20 additional marks to a Muslim hafiz-e-Quran (who has learnt the Quran by heart) candidate for admission in the MBBS and others, saying that it was discrimination against minority students and a violation of fundamental rights granted by the Constitution of Pakistan.


ROFL.. :-))

Now someone would jump in and say how ``rationally`` the advances in the ``medical field`` can be attributed to the ``document`` because it is said that you can even goto China to obtain knowledge..

LOL..

mohar mian,

``By the way, Mr Madani - the right word is ``threw``, not ``through``..... You don`t seem to know much of English language - that is ok ``..............

..... of course it is okay !...... you obviously don`t know mr. madani ..........i wouldn`t be surprised at all if the man has a phd in english literature - his deliberate and studied caricature of the english language is in a class by itself ......... and his prophetic messages are delphian ..... what is lacking on your part is comprehension and a sense of humor - a terrible double affliction for which there is no known cure ...........

mohar11 # 61 and ranjit # 47,

I think you got ahmedmadani wrong. The lack of grammar, you have been complaining about, is actually his distinctive interacting style. You will find very few people whose posts are more entertaining than his`.. I would follow GT`s suggestion and look into his old posts..

I consider hamidm as the funniest interactor on this site and now we have him on record saying ahmedmadai is his favourite.. so there is surely something in him,


Avkrishna

Masadi Sahib

Catchy is the nickname of another Arab teenager (pre-teens may prefer to stay far away from Chowk) who graced the lands of Pakistan, and lived among the natives of that region for a while. Now he shines the light of rational and scientific Islam in the fetid world of Chowk`s unplugged section.

Apologies for the confusion.

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Since we all have to live together, one hopes that the dozen or more proponents of rational/scientific Islam, who pop up on Chowk with great conviction and impressive religiosity during any week of the year would find arguments genuine and compelling enough to convince (a substantial majority of) others in their own group.