The Trial of a Nation

Re: # 27
If I am not mistaken, Bhutto won his elections in 1972 on the promise that Pakistan will have A-Bomb even if they have to eat Grass. Probably 1972 can be considered as start for the same.

I think Pakistan and India and any other country have the right to have A-Bomb or Energy. Problem is when it is somebody else`s prototype(West in this case).

It is no different when OPEC holds rest of the world on its anvil because they have OIL.

Better response to my argument can be; USA used forced German Labor to develop A-Bomb. Real Stake holders for Nuclear Energy are Einstein(Jews) or Germans.

Re: # 23
Ye tau senti ho gya....
I think every nation has a right to do anything that they can within International laws.

My question(if your response was to my post) was not about patriotism or whether Pakistan should have Nuclear Weapon or not. But simply trying to understand Pakistan`s stand on this matter.

1) If he is an Islamic Hero then why is he under house arrest in his own country?
2) Afterall Official Pakistani verdict is that it was his own nexus that leaked nuclear secrets to Iran not Pakistani Government. Why this duplicity in either calling him a Hero or thief?

Also, Dutch Govt, on whose premises he worked and allegedly stole documents are calling him a SPY and Thief not USA.

It sounds like that you saying that Pakistan has every right to have have A-Bomb by whatever means. If so, then only problem with that logic is that Nuclear Technology was invented by Western countries for their own use and/or their allys and they can deny it to whoever they chose. It is not like Water or Oil that is found in Earth.

West is not saying that there can/cannot be Nuclear States. They are just limiting sharing their own technology with others whom they percieve to be not aligned to their value system.

It is unfortunate to see the accolade/scorn one individual gets for what would have definitely been a tremendous team effort in order to make/procure this bomb.

There is a reason why I still believe Pakistan might have procured (in whatever form) the technology rather than make it. India had a long tradition of Govt. support and sponsors for Nuclear research. There is atleast 3 decades of considerable effort on part of Govt. of Inida, Homi J Bhaba and innumerous other scientists to make the `74 bomb a reality and an equal amount of effort behind `99 explosions...

I haven`t read about a similar infrastructure in Pakistan. It might be my ignorance. But, can someone throw more light on this? When did the quest for Nuclear bomb in Pakistan start? Who are all the people involved? How long did it take?

Thanks,
Avkrishna

Dr. Khan is an intelligent thief who turned a megalomaniac after he assisted in preparing
the ``Bomb`` for a poor nation. He could have remained a hero for whole of his life had he
not started selling and personally managing a network of proliferators cum profiteers.
If he is very sure of himself, why doesn`t he let himself be interogated by americans?

No, he shamed Pakistan. He led a poor nation to desperation.
Rest is history.

Re: # 19 YLH

You didn`t get the concept of ``Cardinal Sin``?.... Well, Never mind..... ``Chowk Staff``[I thought you are chowk staff] don`t like such discussions here..... they want you to go to someplace called ``Unplugged``.....

Re: # 22

manto tells manto to shut up and go to ``Unplugged`` or some place..... WTF is this ``Unplugged`` anyway? Sometime back YLH and Sadna went crazy over there.....

Every great leader becomes great only because he accepts to bears the burden of leadership. He takes upon the responsibility of a certain task that his peers, equivalents, and those who are even better than him don`t or won`t. This is the reason these otherwise ordinary human beings, who breath like the rest, who talk like the rest, who walk like the rest do not remain ordinary because their burden makes them walk the walk and talk the talk that no other can.

What is the ``burden of leadership``? The burden of leadership is not the difficulties that these leaders come across while they work to achieve their goals, because anyone can do that, but the burden of leadership is the morass that they have to overcome, which is created by their fellow men – friends and foes – to prevent them from getting to their destiny. This morass is the sometimes the character assassination, sometimes it is backbiting and sometimes it is outright leg pulling. Such morass is created by people who have no hope and no confidence in themselves; they are mean-spirited little men who think that the only way to rise above is by standing on the carcass of their opponent. A genuine leader overcomes all odds and rise above the pack no matter what because of his determination to face whatever may come.

The enemies of Islam, Pakistan, and those pygmies who could not compare with Dr. Khan tried to assassinate his character in two ways:

1. They accused Dr. Qadeer of stealing the nuclear technology
2. They accused Dr. Qadeer of causing the ``proliferation`` of nuclear technology.

1. Stealing the Nuclear Technology:

The Pakistani nation has never doubted the abilities of its sons of soil. Whenever, an hour of need has struck this nation, it has risen above and its sons have sacrificed themselves to rise above; whether these were the wars that were imposed on us, whether it is fighting and defeating one of the world`s most brutal superpower, or whether it has to face the earthquake disaster of the century or whether it is making Pakistan a nuclear power, her sons have proven that they are less than no one. That is the reason Pakistani nation never believed the propaganda that Dr. Qadeer had stolen the nuclear technology. Yes there were moments of doubt but there were people in the nation who knew the truth. As this article depicts, the truth of the matter was always there for everyone to see. But it was the mean-spiritedness of enemies of Islam, Pakistan, and Dr. Qadeer that they put the truth aside. One may ask, a journalist who condescendingly writes ``Dr. Qadeer was acquitted because of technicality``, how come he wasn`t aware of the details behind the ``technicality`` ? As this article shows without the shadow of doubt that the truth could be easily verified but they didn`t. Why?

2. Nuclear Proliferation.

First of all Pakistanis must refuse to submit to this brainwashing that Nuclear Proliferation is somehow a crime. The nuclear energy and power is a gift of God for humanity. Every nation in the world has the basic human right to benefit from the bounty of God. Yes it is true that nuclear energy has some serious consequences too if it falls into wrong hands and it must be regulated worldwide but this regulation must be fair, just, and equitable. The current nuclear proliferation treaty is unjust and monitoring system is unfair and inequitable. Its sole purpose is to keep developing nations from getting a cheap source of energy and keep the monopoly of advanced nations. The case in point is the Iran. This nation is a signatory of NPT; its facilities and each and every equipment is monitored by not only the cameras, round the clock, but international inspectors can inspect it at anytime and yet every effort is being made by developed nations to shut its program down. Therefore, accepting such unjust treaties is below human dignity. Pakistan is a signatory to no such treaty. Therefore Pakistan has a sovereign right to share its technology to any nation of the world, wherever it serves its national interest. It is the time that Pakistani nation must stand up for their sovereign right and not stand down. It must tell spineless and coward dictators and conniving foreign agents who have taken this whole nation hostage at gunpoint that Pakistani nation will not back down on this one.

Re: # 20
Manto talking to Manto.

It is so funny....

Are you saying that::
In order to make a Muslim A-Bomb, it is ok to steal secrets by any means???

If yes, then dutch are right in calling him a thief.

If no, then explain why Pakistani consider him a hero, while their leader projects him as stand alone, clandestine opertaor. Why is he in house-arrest??

Something is not clicking here.....

RE: #2 by Mantolives .. and others

Please use unplugged to start new discussions instead of using the InterAct space of this or other articles for such unrelated news items.

Thank you,

Chowk Staff

Mohar11...

Huh? Did you bother to read?

While a very successful world performing arts festival is going in Pakistan... an Indo-phile Pakistani goes to India and declares that there are curbs on art in Pakistan unlike India... Within 5 hours she gets deported from India..

What does that have to do with ``Mr J`` or ``Minority Report`` or ``Top Gun`` or ``Eyes Wide Shut``? Oh I get it... your eyes are wide shut.

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When push comes to shove I support Asfandyar Wali Khan and his father Wali Khan in NWFP`s politics. Unlike Sheema Kermani, they have actually said a lot of things against ``Mr J``...

Re: # 16
[....though it wouldn`t take much for her to say something on that count as well...]

OK - we get it..... it`s like that movie Minority Report, you know, people are fighting the ``Future Crime`` - stop the crime before it happens.....

So - good plan YLH - You are the One..... I know we can count on you to stop people saying something against Mr J..... Go head ``my boy`` [that`s my line, don`t steal it] - Fight the Future Cardinal Sin, stop the sin before it can happen..... I tell you, Ms Kirmani - she is the type - she fits the profile who may just say something against Mr J..... Stop her before she does that.... even if it means siding with the horrible hinuds.....

PS

particular reason for joy in this case... hours before her shameless departure... Kermani wailed about how there are so many curbs in Pakistan and how easier it is to speak on social issues in India...

While she was being kicked out from India... leading classical dancers, performers, stage actors from all over the world were enthralling Lahore with the World Performing Arts festival which concluded yesterday.

As far as I know she didn`t ... though it wouldn`t take much for her to say something on that count as well.

But... I met her at Yale... she claimed that classical dancing was banned in Pakistan. When asked why she had been performing on National TV if that was the case- she had no answer.

The next month she told New York Times the same thing.

So she is right up your alley my boy.

After a stage man begins thing think he is invincible. This happened to Harshad Mehta, Ketan Parikh and A Q Khan.

Re: # 12

Which Mohajir are you talking about here?