The Trial of a Nation

This most convincing article coming from the right...but this not mean right is right...

#150 by ahmadzai on December 4, 2005 7:26pm PT


4) USA is about to sign an investment treaty with Pakistan.


which is nothing like the free trade agreement the paki government is seeking..India can already export an unlimited amount of software to the US..



5) It is the USA and Israel that want Pakistan recognize the latter, whereas we are talking from the position of strength.


As much as i`d like to clear this delusion, I`ll let urstruly do it...

urstruly...take it away...

#154 by Urstruly on December 4, 2005 8:27pm PT

Urstruly pays taxes to the US government..

Tax $$ are used to build America`s military might.

America`s military might means Uncle Sam can lean on Musharraf to put AQK in the paki doghouse.

hmm...seems to me like urstruly`s money is being used to put AQK in the paki doghouse.

Re: # 153

Aamen! brother. Long live the King - Sher-e-Pakistan, Dr. AQK. Down with vultures and hyennas.

Re: # 152


It is very saddest thing to see by eyes the greatest practical science giant and engineer of IRP kept in house arrest by its own government. Do cover the part of Govt of IRP the her greatest son ( after Jinnah and Bhutto) is used as pawn to satisfy USA Govt.

Giants make big mistakes. And Dr. Khan may have made few mistakes but they are economical cheating etc. He may have sold some technology and materials and made money but that is happening all time all spheres of life and corruption and making money unethical way is integrated vertically and horizontally in social , economical, intelluctual life and needs to move things. Even I can admit I have not paid taxes according to spirit of law. Now I do not give importance to people who have made no such thing as that is not virtue but necessity as they do not make much money.

Did he did against policies of IRP ? Answer is no, He did what was proposed to done by govt.
Our nukes have no value unless they can fly and strike Indian cities and obliterate and and fire burn enemy cities. Due to his effort and exchanges with korea country that was possible. They got nuke and IRP got little help in heroic name carrying missiles. That was reason when provoked by Indian Nayyar newspapeman when he said “IRP has no nukes”. He answered as in mythical drama brilliantly saying I can burn Delhi and Bombay In 5 minutes. He is spirited engineer and does not consider fake modesty as virtue.

Unfortunately dr. khan is like a great African lion caged and ridiculed by short pigmies. When I was small saw a big tiger from E.Pakistan in big cage. That majestic animal beast was reduced to dog. Little boys and girls were hurling little stones and hitting and then stupid woman came with umbrella and strike his nice coat. Helpless beast cried with pain and moved away. I feel exactly same way the lion of IRP Shere E Pakistan is caged by evil general and he is acting as ringmaster and making great khan bend as general does before his wild west American boss. It is sad General reduced him to common thief and made him ask for mercy not to hand over to Americans give protection.

General demolished his political challenge as he had ambition to lead nation. Now his chances are gone. There is Lab people who were jalous of Dr. Khans chances of getting prestigious nobel prize type. They stabbed him. Some became envious of his money specially hotels around in asia and afrika. General also did not follow law of rule then why great khan only selectively selected for punishment.

Heaven will be kinder to him than army generals.
There should be movement to free Shere E Pakistan from clutches of Evil general ringmasters so great Khan can go free and roar like lion and put fear in hearts of evil men and women who has bad intensions for IRP in their hearts. General will come and go, prime ministers will come and kicked out but Great Dr.Khan and his people (IRP) will always go ahead with great assets protecting IRP.


Let month has 1000 days and Dr.Khan live 1000 years.
And down with ring master general and his GHQ staff for tormenting gentleman.

faisal

there are four degrees of lies:

lies

damn lies

statistics

and GOP statistics, which is the ultimate level of lies that only Satan himself can concoct.

Ahmadzai

I find it absolutely disgusting; as a matter of fact it makes my skin crawl when people put forth the criteria to measure the adeptness of a nation by the level of approval it has by the United States. This is ultimate moral and mental bankruptcy and accute degree of mental vassalage. WE have our own system of values; and I would like Pakistan to be judged by that system of values. So pardon me if I ignore your posts.

The four points that you have mentioned are, arrogant, self-serving, and condescending. The fact of the matter is that Pakistan is occupied by a corrupt, spineless, and arrogant ruling class who have dug their fangs deep into the jugular of the nation. The nation has been demoralized, held hostage, and terrorized into submission by the corruption and lawlessness they have induced into the system. Unfortunately, NaPak fauj provide the muscle to this corrupt class and some Mullahs , and lotay politicians on the payroll provide cover to this ruling class. People of Pakistan are not stupid; they are just helpless. Please do not add insult to the injury of the people by your condescending posts. Thank you.

Urstruly:

Since you have not answered my previous post, I would like to recap the battle in the international arena between pro- Musharraf (e.g. people like me) and anti-Musharraf (people like you):

You defeated us comprehensively in the following areas :-)

1. Sending military to Iraq
2. Not stoping our nuclear development program
3. Not stopping our missile development program
4. Not letting US military enter FATA.

We defeated you in the following areas:

1) After Pakistan and Italy led the move of not letting India, Brazil, Japan and Germany become permanent members of the UN, the USA sided with Pakistani position. This reflects the political weight Pakistan carries.

2) USA accorded non NATO alliance status to Pakistan

3) USA sent its military helicopters to help Pakistan round the clock. USA saw the over-whelming unity amongst the people of Pakistan.

4) USA is about to sign an investment treaty with Pakistan.

5) It is the USA and Israel that want Pakistan recognize the latter, whereas we are talking from the position of strength.

6) Our strength is reflected from such instances when the foreign office spokeswoman rebukes IAEA on letting Al B meet AQK directly.

Net result is that it is not pro and anti Musharraf people, not you and I, but entire Pakistani nation that is winning.

In the meantime, we should consider the chapter of Dr. AQK closed for it would be only fundoo Indoos who will bask if we continue to do that.

i agree with urstrulys article premise. the west is constantly watching and they found AQ as a nice scapegoat, it was like an encouter killing, the allowed AQ to be caught. the ``exposed`` links with malaysian industries were enlightning. getting libya to show-up to the party was high melodrama.

mr janjua, indias days of ``trying to do everything`` is history. its far more open to getting cheaper tech, even by begging (very low cost apprach if it works), but it has a healthy wariness about ``serving`` foreign masters.

re:#137 by ahmadzai
Ha, ha!
Fanciful thinking.
Show me the link where such thinking is prevalent in congress. Indian caucus in US is powerful enough and would have gotten wind of such thinking, if there was one.
So, this is just a creation of your mind. If you have some data, please present it.
India and US are gearing up towards a stretegic tie up. Nuclear tieup is only a small beginning. I will post the full extent of this tie up in my future posts. Suffice it to say that US sees India as a strategic partner in Asia and is concerned about the ever increasing Chinese military power.
Pak is important to US in as far as it would want to contain Al-Qaida and hunt for terrorists. I have not seen any strategic tie up with Pak, nor any big time investments.
Sridhar

re:#143 by avkrishna
APJ Kalam is more than average. The most famous scientist Einstein has already said: success is 90% perspiration and 10% inspiration. Kalam is outstanding in everything that he does because he is motivated and also a motivator of people. He spearheaded the missile development from zero level and look where it is now!
Sridhar

Re: # 138

r.a.janjua

``What`s your point re Pakistan`s nuclear weapons? (Please be brief and succinct.)...that`s asking AlephLull too much.``

This self-proclaimed genius, aptly named Anull, runs when cornered. I expected that from him. However, in a moment of candor he declared in his post #99: ``The brief answer is that I have absolutely no idea.``

Re: # 144

I agree with you. My use of `average` is only about his technical skills which are relatively inferior compared to his administrative and leadership skills,

He is an amazing person. No doubt about it. Very very insipirational,


Thanks,

avk

The descriptor `average` may do justice neither to Abdul Kalam nor to A. Q. Khan.

Dr. Abdul Kalam has always been celebrated as the great motivator. His extraordinary genius has been in being part of teams of scietists often more technically knowledgeable than he and rapidly transforming these teams into groups of inspired hyperachievers. In leadership of scientific community, he is a Vikram Sarabhai (from what I hear of Dr. Sarabhai), but with an even broader, more inspiring social vision.

The great, multifaceted, inspiring visionary may well be the best way to describe Dr. Abdul Kalam.

rommel, the author and others:

Thanks for the info on the origin and development of Pak`s nuclear bomb.

Given that the basic design of nuclear bomb is available to almost everyone, I dont suspect nations like India, Israel, Pakistan and others to develop them if there is enough focus and desire. Maybe they are not advanced, but I am sure they would suffice. After all the target is pretty close geographically for all these countries..

So questioning the very existence, as being done by some here, is only wishful thinking and not realistic.

Coming to the issue of the significance of AQ Khan in this endeavour, I am in the camp, who believe that his role is highly overrated and there are a lot more people who deserve the credit. I believe that PAEC deserves the real credit.

The same goes for Abdul Kalam in India. Apart from an efficient administrator, humble human being, a true patriot, a truly gifted and motivating speaker (having had the fortune of listening to him in person) Abdul kalam is an average scientist and the real credit for the Nuclear bomb in India goes to distinguished folks of Indian Atomic energy commission...

But this does not make the recent sham trial of AQ Khan acceptable. I think Pakistan had not proven to be completely responsible in managing the nuclear bomb by attempting to give the technology to N Korea and Libya, but it would be ridiculous to say that AQ Khan is the guilty person. If anyone is guilty, it would be the Army of Pakistan.
If anyone has balls to make someone accountable for this indiscriminate proliferation, they should focus on the Army, not AQ Khan.

Justice is not served in this case,

Thanks,
Avkrishna

Re: # 139 Rommel

As I said earlier, the purpose of this article is not to compare the contribution of different scientists to the development of our nuclear program. I have said it earlier that I would kiss the feet of sweepers who cleaned the streets of KRL; I salute Dr. Munir, Dr. Bashiruddin, Dr. Samar and countless other unsung heroes as well.

But truth of the matter is that Western neo-colonial powers want the head of none other but Dr. AQK on a platter; all the propogandists, eastern or western, slander him and only him not from today but since decades; its the name of AQK who strikes fear in the hearts of infidels, hindus, and other miscelleneous nutjobs; it is the AQK who is the target for slander by the fifth columnists who live among us pretending to be Pakistanis; it is AQK and not someone else who is humilited by this anti-Pakistani and anti-Muslim dictatorial regime. And it is the AQK who has been humiliated by the corrupt and spineless ruling class.

They don`t want some DR. Allahditta, they want AQK. So what does it tell you?