The Trial of a Nation

As far as I know she didn`t ... though it wouldn`t take much for her to say something on that count as well.

But... I met her at Yale... she claimed that classical dancing was banned in Pakistan. When asked why she had been performing on National TV if that was the case- she had no answer.

The next month she told New York Times the same thing.

So she is right up your alley my boy.

PS

particular reason for joy in this case... hours before her shameless departure... Kermani wailed about how there are so many curbs in Pakistan and how easier it is to speak on social issues in India...

While she was being kicked out from India... leading classical dancers, performers, stage actors from all over the world were enthralling Lahore with the World Performing Arts festival which concluded yesterday.

Re: # 19 YLH

You didn`t get the concept of ``Cardinal Sin``?.... Well, Never mind..... ``Chowk Staff``[I thought you are chowk staff] don`t like such discussions here..... they want you to go to someplace called ``Unplugged``.....

Mohar11...

Huh? Did you bother to read?

While a very successful world performing arts festival is going in Pakistan... an Indo-phile Pakistani goes to India and declares that there are curbs on art in Pakistan unlike India... Within 5 hours she gets deported from India..

What does that have to do with ``Mr J`` or ``Minority Report`` or ``Top Gun`` or ``Eyes Wide Shut``? Oh I get it... your eyes are wide shut.

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When push comes to shove I support Asfandyar Wali Khan and his father Wali Khan in NWFP`s politics. Unlike Sheema Kermani, they have actually said a lot of things against ``Mr J``...

Re: # 22

manto tells manto to shut up and go to ``Unplugged`` or some place..... WTF is this ``Unplugged`` anyway? Sometime back YLH and Sadna went crazy over there.....

Re: # 20
Manto talking to Manto.

It is so funny....

RE: #2 by Mantolives .. and others

Please use unplugged to start new discussions instead of using the InterAct space of this or other articles for such unrelated news items.

Thank you,

Chowk Staff

Are you saying that::
In order to make a Muslim A-Bomb, it is ok to steal secrets by any means???

If yes, then dutch are right in calling him a thief.

If no, then explain why Pakistani consider him a hero, while their leader projects him as stand alone, clandestine opertaor. Why is he in house-arrest??

Something is not clicking here.....

Re: # 23
Ye tau senti ho gya....
I think every nation has a right to do anything that they can within International laws.

My question(if your response was to my post) was not about patriotism or whether Pakistan should have Nuclear Weapon or not. But simply trying to understand Pakistan`s stand on this matter.

1) If he is an Islamic Hero then why is he under house arrest in his own country?
2) Afterall Official Pakistani verdict is that it was his own nexus that leaked nuclear secrets to Iran not Pakistani Government. Why this duplicity in either calling him a Hero or thief?

Also, Dutch Govt, on whose premises he worked and allegedly stole documents are calling him a SPY and Thief not USA.

It sounds like that you saying that Pakistan has every right to have have A-Bomb by whatever means. If so, then only problem with that logic is that Nuclear Technology was invented by Western countries for their own use and/or their allys and they can deny it to whoever they chose. It is not like Water or Oil that is found in Earth.

West is not saying that there can/cannot be Nuclear States. They are just limiting sharing their own technology with others whom they percieve to be not aligned to their value system.

Re: # 32
good point about Iran.

Iran is not threatened by any nation, they only need Nuclear bomb to destroy Israel.

Re: # 63 the quality of trust is the issue here urstruly.

the question people ask themselves is this: I can trust the brits, the yanks, the canadians etc. But can I trust the pakistanis, the arabs, the libyans, the egyptians etc?

If the answer is yes,then you have solved the problem. IMHO untill this trust deficit is resolved you will find, in your mind, inequities.

Re: # 43 Godot

Why I or people like me are suspicios of West has been debated upteenth time. Lets forget how everything that they tell has always been proven a lie on daily basis. Lets forget the two slaughter houses one in Palestine and other in Iraq where human beings are sacrificed everyday for the imperial aggression of West upon Muslims. And lets not discuss the dictators they support who use full military machinery to murder and oppress us. But I will say only one thing.

Very recently I went to Canada for an official visit and I had to stay there for couple of days. At night I regularly watched on TV an ad by Canadian government promoting the Nuclear Energy for their country. Romair or any other who live in Canada will attest that. It made me wonder, now look at these people; they are begging for their people to give them a mandate to establish more nuclear energy plants and on the other hand they run disipicable campaigns against poor nations and try everything possible to keep those nations from developing nuclear energy resources and that includes the threat of aggression as well. It just kinda makes you think. I am not suspecious, I am just thoughtful.

Re: # 38

Urstruly

“Avoid suspicion as much (as possible): for suspicion in some cases is a sin: I don`t know about you but as a Muslim this is my guiding principle”

You contradict yourself, Urstruly. You are very suspicious of the West that they are out to screw you because you are a Muslim. I’m not sure you live by what you claim. And I don’t believe in that I, as a Muslim, should not suspect any other Muslim. Muslims are no longer a handful of close-knit people in Madina anymore...14 hundred years later, there are close to a billion and a half of them, and to tell you the truth some of them are quite nasty. I am very suspicious of them.

I suggest you pick up a copy of November 2005 Atlantic Monthly. Read through the writer’s account of how AQK did it. Now, this article is very biased and the writer has nothing but contempt for Pakistan and AQK. It is nevertheless a well-researched article and it does make one see in spite of its clear bias.

I grant you that Pakistan Army knew all along what AQK was doing. However, when it became public knowledge, someone had to take a fall. It couldn’t have been the Army. The consequences of that were quite grave for Pakistan as a nation. I hope you understand that.

“Do you think that Pakistani nation is so chutiya...My ass.”

Now, that’s very emotional. When one gets to this point, it`s an indication that one has lost his capacity to think clearly and the debate has become pointless and useless.

Re: # 32 Godot

The Living Quarters 49:12

O ye who believe! Avoid suspicion as much (as possible): for suspicion in some cases is a sin: And spy not on each other behind their backs. Would any of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? Nay, ye would abhor it...But fear Allah: For Allah is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful.

I don`t know about you but as a Muslim this is my guiding principle; and so it is for millions of Pakistanis who consider Dr. Qadeer their hero. Please read the article before commenting, because after reading it, the matter of allegation on Dr. Qadeer for stealing nuclear technology does not remain a matter of suspicion but a matter of knowledge. As a fellow human being we have also responsibility towards Dr. Qadeer to accord him the respect that he desreves and if not, at least try not to disrespect him. The matters of law are not ambigious or rhetorical. Laws and the verdicts that are delivered according to them are simply based on evidence that is provided in the court of law. If you read the article you will know that court acquitted him of any charge of stealing nuclear technology and that the technicality was only used by his lawyers as a leverage. Furthermore the ministers in the Dutch parliament testified that it was not humanly possible to steal the nuclear technology in 16 days that Dr. spent in the facility. If despite of knowing this truth, one wants to malign Drs. good name than one can only feel sorry for his system of values and his upbringing.

As far as the allegation of Dr selling nuclear secrets to other countries is concerned, I don`t think it is humanly possible, unless government is involved in it. Dr. is one of the most important and prized personalities in the history of Pakistan and a considerable amount of human and capital resources are spent to protect him. I don`t think GOP can play innocent here that Dr ``sold` secrets without its knowledge. These coward dictators are only saving their own skins and in the mean time they are insulting Pakistani nation because their masters demand it. I can bet my ass that everybody in this forum must have heard the phrase in their lifetime when rich people refer to poor, especially their servants ``inn haramzadon ko inn ki auqaat par rakhna chahiyay``. It is the open agenda of neo-colonial powers to degrade our system of values and our heroes. After the vassalage of 200 years every one must know how it works. That is the reason the character assassination of Dr. Qadeer is being done in a systematic way. Do you think that Pakistani nation is so chutiya that it cannot see thru this, then you are sadly mistaken.

I do not doubt that Pakistan must have exchanged nuclear technology with other nations. Though I refuse to accept it as a crime just because neo-colonial powers say so. When sanctions were imposed on Pakistan after coup d`etat in 1999, a cash strapped Paksitan had to generate cash, that was our compulsion. And in exchange if we get better missile technolgy then it is our pragmatism. But accusing Dr. Khan of selling nuclear secrets by himself is lowest of the low and below human dignity.

By the way the so-called ``evidence` that Libiyan dictator handed over to Americans consisted of some papers in a shopping bag of some tailor in Rawalpindi. LA Times wrote a derogatory article on that questioning US governments declaration that that was it - the grand plan to build a reprocessing plant by a rogue Dr. My ass.

Re: # 23

Urstruly

Your post is a fire-breathing rhetoric based on shaky logic.

1. Dr AQK is a bright man, but he did steal the nuclear-design blue print while in Holland. To my knowledge, he has not appeared in court in Holland to defend himself against the charges levied against him.

2. There are evidence obtained by the Americans (not to mention Libya and Iran openly verifying it) that DR AQK has passed nuclear secrets to other countries

3. Nuclear technology is a right for all the countries to have to meet the energy demand. But those who developed it are hesitant to give it out freely for its dual use as weapon of mass destruction. I don’t think there is control in place that restricts the enrichment of Uranium to 50% needed to produce energy, to about 95% needed to make nuclear weapons. Also, the cost of monitoring is probably prohibitive.

4. Why would the rich countries want to see the poor countries remain poor? They only hurt themselves for all those poor people will be (and are) knocking on their rich doors to enter and upset their social and economic life. Besides, why aren’t the rich countries doing their best to keep China and India poor but doing exactly the opposite?

5. Why does Iran need nuclear energy when it has more oil to meet its needs than it can possibly use.

6. Lastly, no one outside Islam is enemy of Islam (not counting fanatics like Franklin Graham, Jerry Falwell, or Ann Coulter...these kind of people exist in every society and do not necessarily represent the majority view.) It’s the Muslim themselves who are the enemy of Islam. Al Qaida has hurt Islam more than any fanatical Zionist or Hindu could ever dream of. Muslims not only hate the world, they hate even themselves, Shia-Sunni being a case in point.

Every great leader becomes great only because he accepts to bears the burden of leadership. He takes upon the responsibility of a certain task that his peers, equivalents, and those who are even better than him don`t or won`t. This is the reason these otherwise ordinary human beings, who breath like the rest, who talk like the rest, who walk like the rest do not remain ordinary because their burden makes them walk the walk and talk the talk that no other can.

What is the ``burden of leadership``? The burden of leadership is not the difficulties that these leaders come across while they work to achieve their goals, because anyone can do that, but the burden of leadership is the morass that they have to overcome, which is created by their fellow men – friends and foes – to prevent them from getting to their destiny. This morass is the sometimes the character assassination, sometimes it is backbiting and sometimes it is outright leg pulling. Such morass is created by people who have no hope and no confidence in themselves; they are mean-spirited little men who think that the only way to rise above is by standing on the carcass of their opponent. A genuine leader overcomes all odds and rise above the pack no matter what because of his determination to face whatever may come.

The enemies of Islam, Pakistan, and those pygmies who could not compare with Dr. Khan tried to assassinate his character in two ways:

1. They accused Dr. Qadeer of stealing the nuclear technology
2. They accused Dr. Qadeer of causing the ``proliferation`` of nuclear technology.

1. Stealing the Nuclear Technology:

The Pakistani nation has never doubted the abilities of its sons of soil. Whenever, an hour of need has struck this nation, it has risen above and its sons have sacrificed themselves to rise above; whether these were the wars that were imposed on us, whether it is fighting and defeating one of the world`s most brutal superpower, or whether it has to face the earthquake disaster of the century or whether it is making Pakistan a nuclear power, her sons have proven that they are less than no one. That is the reason Pakistani nation never believed the propaganda that Dr. Qadeer had stolen the nuclear technology. Yes there were moments of doubt but there were people in the nation who knew the truth. As this article depicts, the truth of the matter was always there for everyone to see. But it was the mean-spiritedness of enemies of Islam, Pakistan, and Dr. Qadeer that they put the truth aside. One may ask, a journalist who condescendingly writes ``Dr. Qadeer was acquitted because of technicality``, how come he wasn`t aware of the details behind the ``technicality`` ? As this article shows without the shadow of doubt that the truth could be easily verified but they didn`t. Why?

2. Nuclear Proliferation.

First of all Pakistanis must refuse to submit to this brainwashing that Nuclear Proliferation is somehow a crime. The nuclear energy and power is a gift of God for humanity. Every nation in the world has the basic human right to benefit from the bounty of God. Yes it is true that nuclear energy has some serious consequences too if it falls into wrong hands and it must be regulated worldwide but this regulation must be fair, just, and equitable. The current nuclear proliferation treaty is unjust and monitoring system is unfair and inequitable. Its sole purpose is to keep developing nations from getting a cheap source of energy and keep the monopoly of advanced nations. The case in point is the Iran. This nation is a signatory of NPT; its facilities and each and every equipment is monitored by not only the cameras, round the clock, but international inspectors can inspect it at anytime and yet every effort is being made by developed nations to shut its program down. Therefore, accepting such unjust treaties is below human dignity. Pakistan is a signatory to no such treaty. Therefore Pakistan has a sovereign right to share its technology to any nation of the world, wherever it serves its national interest. It is the time that Pakistani nation must stand up for their sovereign right and not stand down. It must tell spineless and coward dictators and conniving foreign agents who have taken this whole nation hostage at gunpoint that Pakistani nation will not back down on this one.