Church Lures Gujarat Tribals to Christ

Christ will not pardon if people reconvert?

Christ about whom they preach in India must be the Satan.

The Church is doing a great job. Providing for the basics of life to lure people spiritually is a very innovative method. If others - hindus, muslims etc. - feel this is `unethical`, that`s too bad.

Oh Rozaiba, which world are you living in? Christianity, of course, has done and still does lots of favours in India, like eduction and health. But they are frankly fanatics when it comes to conversion. Well, you need to see it closely to believe it. In my case, it gives me goosepimples. If Islam converted people in India with the tip of the sword, Christianity does with it compassion. I think compassion is dangerous than the sword. There is no sincerity there. Well, sorry if I sound like a VHP guy; I have to admit that I am an atheist and I loathe these spineless Hindu fundamentalists with scorn.

``If Islam converted people in India with the tip of the sword, Christianity does with it compassion. I think compassion is dangerous than the sword. There is no sincerity there. Well, sorry if I sound like a VHP guy; I have to admit that I am an atheist and I loathe these spineless Hindu fundamentalists with scorn``


Sunil ``Modi`` Poolani you are fooling no one here, take your Punch and judy show elsewhere, we have enough fundu crackpots on this web site as it is.

#4 hindvi, do you have a point? Other than calling the author names, that is.

Mr Hindvi, I don`t know what is wrong in my life, I hate Modi more than anyone else in the world, and you have this silly cheek to call me, ahem, ``Sunil `Modi` Poolani``. In fact I pity you and since you are an unknown face I would have ignored you, but I found your response so silly that I had to show you your place under the sun. Thanks a lot kaalchakra, for your support.

The Christian preists etc need a good ass-kicking. Hindu groups are doing a good job of re-conversion though. See, there are some advnatages of right wing Hindu groups as well.

Poolani should dig deeper. In Narendra Modi`s Gujarat, a state that the RSS and its fanatic allies such as the VHP and the Bajrang Dal, no non-Hindu is safe

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not even a liberal, an agnostic, an atheist, a humanist or a citizen committed to no sacred text other than the Constitution of India. Tribals, Denotified Tribals, Dalits, Christians, and every other marginalised or disenfranchised minority is a target of the BJP government. Zaheera Shaikh can be lured by an offer she cannot refuse. She could even be reconverted tomorrow. What would such a reconversion prove? The tenacity of saffron fascism in the world`s only pluralistic democracy? Poolani has done some disservice by building a one-sided report without providing a comprehensive perspective in a State in crisis.

Poolani,

A great article. About time the Media starts focusing on these shady activities of Christian Missionaries..

As much a danger Islam was/is to Hinduism, Christianity as practiced by these Missionaries is a bigger menace and needs to be dealt with appropriately...

Can you also send me the links of Hindu groups who are spearheading this Reconversion project?

Thanks,
Avkrishna

pathetic hindu nonsense. those people have every right to change their religion. they might even become better individuals and build up some self-esteem after being treated like dirt on account of their ``low caste``.

if you ``educated hindus`` think like this have to be the most primitive, vicious individuals on earth. for whom it is more important to keep the shackles of your primitive culture on the weakest members of your sodity, than it is to respect their individual freedom. those christian missionaries who open themselves for attacks from hindu extremists in order to help out the weakest members of hindu society deserve a lot of credit. you wont find any pakistani on chowk berating christian missionaries in pakistan the way i see the ``educated babus`` like avkrishna in his post below, or the writer of this article.

Tahmend # 10,

``those people have every right to change their religion. ``

No one here is contesting one`s right to change their religion.

````they might even become better individuals and build up some self-esteem after being treated like dirt on account of their ``low caste``````

Nowhere it is mentioned that these people are being discriminated by other Hindus in this article. Your assumptions are baseless.


````if you ``educated hindus`` think like this have to be the most primitive, vicious individuals on earth. for whom it is more important to keep the shackles of your primitive culture on the weakest members of your sodity, than it is to respect their individual freedom.````

I dont want to keep shackles on anybody. I want to fight against my religion being denigrated by outsiders in my land. And I want to educate my fellow Hindus on this.


`````` you wont find any pakistani on chowk berating christian missionaries in pakistan the way i see the ``educated babus`` like avkrishna in his post below, or the writer of this article.````

I dont know why we need to compare to Pakistan on this. YOu are becoming a lot like your adversaries, trying to drag India-Pakistan into every issue ;-).

Nevertheless since you brought pakistan into the issue, let me say this. You guys have the luxury of not having to do anything. With a religion that rewards it`s people who convert out with a death sentence as the majority, you dont need to engage in an ideological battle.

But we need to, beacuse I dont like the alternative of indulging in more voilence against these generally peaceful missionaries. And We will,

Thanks,
Avkrishna

#2 rozaiba
If this was simply a matter of personal faith then there would be no arguments. What indians have learned is that as more and more northeastern tribals converted to christianity, the separatist movements also got stronger. Indians, as you can see, still remember the Partition.
Somehow the Koreans seem to have found a way to get along. There is some of the most regressive forms of fundamentalist christian churches (is there any other?) in south korea but they seem to get along fine overall. There is some repressed anger among the buddhists there but they seem to have put that aside for the moment in the pursuit of greater good.

#10 mullahji, ``hindu nonsense``? Is conversion out of islam allowed in pakistan?

avkrishna: you say in #11 that you have nothing against these people converting to christianity, and yet you start #9 by applauding this article which is clearly against these people converting to christianity. You can do one, or the other, not both.

And you end your post with a lie (that people are executed in pakistan for converting religion - when in fact there has not been a single such case).

no point in wasting my time with you if you lack even the bare minimum of honesty. have a nice day.

# Tahmed 13

```` you say in #11 that you have nothing against these people converting to christianity, and yet you start #9 by applauding this article which is clearly against these people converting to christianity. You can do one, or the other, not both.````

I applaud this article because it`s high time we point out the decieving tactics used by Christian missionaries to convert Hindus and denigrate Hinduism. And yes, I clearly support trying to re-convert people who have converted into other religions. But it does not mean that I am against them or I hate them.


````And you end your post with a lie (that people are executed in pakistan for converting religion - when in fact there has not been a single such case).````

My statement was this:

```` You guys have the luxury of not having to do anything. With a religion that rewards it`s people who convert out with a death sentence as the majority, you dont need to engage in an ideological battle. ````

I never said X number of people in Pakistant got executed for converting out of Islam. I said with a religion, which can be used to justify executing people for converting, you guys have the luxury of not indulging in an ideological battle.

Actually Let me ask you this, I am sure Christican missionaries try to convert anyone into their religion. Are they doing the same thing in Pakistan? If so, how successful are they and what could be the reasons for their success/failure? If not, why?

My statement might have given the notion that the official version of Islam is this. To that extent, I withdraw my statement. BUt you very well know that how certain groups can interpret Quran and other books in a totally negative way.

``no point in wasting my time with you if you lack even the bare minimum of honesty.``

You are free to have your opinion,

Thanks and have a nice day too,
Avkrishna

Missionaries sell religion. Or salvation. If it`s more effective to sell it through development projects rather than say the tablighi-jamaat method of `convinving` so be it.

If Hindus or Muslims are complaing about Christians converting the poor, than they should do a better job of selling their own religion to the poor (that is if they feel so strongly about the specific faith of people). Missionaries only succeed where others - governments, faiths etc. have failed.

Personally I think missionaries are parasites.

#15
If religion ceases to be a matter of personal dogma and crosses over into politics and becomes an ideology, it in turn becomes fair game for concerted political assault.
What we have oftentimes is not a fair market place of ideas. Some ideas are backed by a lot of money from rich countries and there`s no way you can compete with that.
Active proselytization with a political objective ought to be challenged.