Here We Go Again

#450 by Salim_Chauhan

[But then even there, Mary Magdeline may have saved the day. :) ]

Mary Magdalene? A woman, alleged by SOME to have been an ex-prostitute, who is alleged to have been involved with Jesus AS AN ADULT?

And NOT in the role of a prostitute?

And THAT is the parallel you could come up with?

I think if you try, you can break the shackles of your cult.

But first, you have to be honest.

#450 by Salim_Chauhan

[I would rather base my existence on a normal leader with normal appetites than one who used to spend all his free time with his male buddies. ]

Normal leader with NORMAL appetites?

A 53 yr old lusting after a 6 year-old child?

It`s amazing what people will rationalize to maintain their belief systems.

Here`s a picture of a 6-year old little girl:




Here`s a couple of pictures by 6-year-old little kids:



by Poppy, aged 6




by 6 year-old Pheobe



WHY would you even LISTEN to ANYTHING this person has to say? Let alone believing any B.S. that comes out of his mouth about God talking to him?

I really don`t understand.

What is it about you guys? How can you be such idiots?

re:#433 by vengatramanan
Dude,
I thought u are smart but i guess u are just dumb.
That comment ``Pakistanis are smart and will always remain smart....`` was made by a character called Behram, who is actually a Paki muslim pretending to be a parsee.
I was replying to his comments.
Sridhar

#449, Jang {``i am of ape and hindu ancestry currently (inshallah) evolving to be a sikh. ``}

Jang, so when did the Hindus evolve into apes? :)

Aman #448, {``Salim, # 442, LOL. I am a sahiba not a sahib, I dont know why I get confused for a guy. And again, pretending to be old when you are not. When you will really need viagra you wont joke about it.``}

Hakeema Aman Sahiba, :)
My apologies for neglecting to put the extra ``a`` after Sahib. Did the ``Sahiba`` issue arise due to the viagra joke? Sorry, maybe just a Freudian faux pas. :) No, I buy viagra for this friend of mine. :) LOL

I better stop engaging in discussions around history. My friend Jang is starting to estimate my year of birth based on the events and songs that I remember. :) I will not sing the love song that one of the Kauras sang for Drupatti - causing the Pavendas to lose their cool and then all hell broke loose.

#445, Ajeya {``Absolutely. I`m glad you recognize that it merits publishing in a porno magazine. Should give you some pause about the guy on whose credibility you have based yor entire existence.``}

AJeya,
Give us a break. Cut us some slack. First, Muslims are sexually reprsessed, then Muslims are too obsessed with houris that Muslims can`t get a hardon in this world. Now, when you have concrete proof of sexual freedom in the days of Muslim zenith, when there was plenty of compannionship for the companions, you ruin everything by calling it worthy of a porno magazine. I would rather base my existence on a normal leader with normal appetites than one who used to spend all his free time with his male buddies. But then even there, Mary Magdeline may have saved the day. :)

#435 hindvi
no i am neither punju nor a psychic ..i am of ape and hindu ancestry currently (inshallah) evolving to be a sikh.

Salim,
# 442, LOL. I am a sahiba not a sahib, I dont know why I get confused for a guy. And again, pretending to be old when you are not. When you will really need viagra you wont joke about it.

#436 by ahmedmadani on November 18, 2005 11:36pm PT


2. Pakistan Telephone bought by UAE investment group


huh? Are you for real? Even pakis as self-deluded as faisaluno are talking about the PTCL sale...

Pakistan Telephone? I think you`re a troll..

#444 by chaltahai

[#440: Dude you are so fked...ever think about Van Gogh, Hirsi Ali, Salman Rushdie...]


You mean, they have claimed to be the chosen spokesperson for god as well?

And they have also committed similer (to Mohammed) atrocities (other than these sexual depravities) in their life?



[I wouldn`t want to be standing near you in a pizza parlor. ]

You just ruined my day. :)

#443 by Salim_Chauhan

[Ajeya, #440,
Whew!! Thank you for that lusty tale of temptation, sex, adultery, and blackmail in the hot city of Medina. ]

Don`t thank me. That was a cut and paste job from faithfreedom.org.

But you`re welcome.


[That story needs to be published in Playboy. :)]

Absolutely. I`m glad you recognize that it merits publishing in a porno magazine. Should give you some pause about the guy on whose credibility you have based yor entire existence.

#440: Dude you are so fked...ever think about Van Gogh, Hirsi Ali, Salman Rushdie...I wouldn`t want to be standing near you in a pizza parlor.

Ajeya, #440,
Whew!! Thank you for that lusty tale of temptation, sex, adultery, and blackmail in the hot city of Medina. That story needs to be published in Playboy. :)

Aman, #426{``Salim#425, You are a masquerader, a pretender, you are enjoying all this confusion about your identity, no, you are not an Indian, your knowledge of Pak and Karachi negates that, and your not a Rajput either, you pretend to be to fool the Indians.
Your are intelligent , witty and subtle and use humour to take the bite of what you say, you understand human behaviour well.
You find this pak-indi bashing going on chowk amusing and may be having a good laugh at the compliments that are coming your way. Its easy to fool people, eh. You may even laugh at my analysis of you.
However, I enjoy reading your posts, keep it up:}

Hakeem-e-Dimagh Aman Sahib,
How much do I owe you for this expert analysis? Do you take American Express? :)
I ony masquerade and pretend once a year - Halloween parties
Of course I enjoy Chowk, why else would anyone spend their time without any obvious rewards or financial gain? Why would there be any confusion about my identity when I have so clearly specified almost every detail about my humble existence?
Denying me my Rajput ancestry is not a surprise. Sadna claims that Maharaja Aurangjeb. Shah-in-Shah-e-Hindustan, longer than anyone else, was not even Indian, but his great grandfather was definitely one. !!!!!
I don`t have to fool Indians (or Pakis for that matter). Foolishness is usually inherent. :)
So, you admit, having some knowledge of Pak and Karachi negates being an Indian. Did you tell that to my good friends - Arjun, Jay, Kaura, and Stuka?
Thank you for the compliments - at least the part about humor is right. I do like humor, even at my own expense. If I understood human behavior well, I wouldn`t have all the problems I have on Chowk, now would I? No one has been banned more than I.
Indo/Paki bashing is fun up to a point. When abuse, insults, and blood start flowing, I feel like getting off the bus.
At my advanced age, even being noticed is a great compliment. In fact, merely breathing is an accomplishment. At least, I have you fooled. Yes, I did laugh at your labor of love and thanks to your wonderful encouragement, I will keep on posting and trying to make you laugh. Now where did I put that bottle of viagra?

Jang #429 {``wow aman, hope that is a professional opinion. i just felt that salims claimed age is wrong based on the hindi songs he seems to quote quickly. .i think he is born in mid-sixties, raised in karachi and east africa, lived in the US for at least 15 years.. atleast some 10 of these in a professional capacity.

Jang,
There has never been anything professional about me. :) I also know hindi songs from the 40s and 50s. :) How did you know about my life in Mombasa, where I would lead tourists on safari missions? I have never bragged about the time I killed three lions and a dung beetle. :) I will admit to having settled Karachi when it was a sleepy little Hindu village. :) Now, please ask them to expedite my social security check - I need to buy more viagra.

Mariyah the Sex Slave of the holy Prophet




The following is Muhammad’s scandalous love affair with Mariyah the Copt who was one of the prophet’s wives’ maids. Muhammad slept with her without any ceremony, which caused uproar among his wives and finally was settled by Divine intervention. This story is recorded in an authenticated Hadith and is reported by Omar.

This Hadith is describing the reason for the revelation of verse 66: 4 of Quran. The verse says:

“If ye two turn in repentance to Him, your hearts are indeed so inclined; But if ye back up each other against him, truly Allah is his Protector, and Gabriel, and (every) righteous one among those who believe,- and furthermore, the angels - will back (him) up.”

Omar explains that these two women were Hafsa and Ayesha who became disrespectful of the prophet causing him grief until he thought of divorcing all of his wives. Here is the full story.

Bukhari Volume 3, Book 43, Number 648:

Narrated `Abdullah bin `Abbas:

I had been eager to ask `Umar about the two ladies from among the wives of the Prophet regarding whom Allah said (in the Qur`an saying): If you two (wives of the Prophet namely Aisha and Hafsa) turn in repentance to Allah your hearts are indeed so inclined (to oppose what the Prophet likes) (66.4), till performed the Hajj along with `Umar (and on our way back from Hajj) he went aside (to answer the call of nature) and I also went aside along with him carrying a tumbler of water. When he had answered the call of nature and returned. I poured water on his hands from the tumbler and he performed ablution. I said, ``O Chief of the believers! ` Who were the two ladies from among the wives of the Prophet to whom Allah said:

`If you two return in repentance (66.4)? He said, ``I am astonished at your question, O Ibn `Abbas. They were Aisha and Hafsa.``

Then `Umar went on relating the narration and said. ``I and an Ansari neighbor of mine from Bani Umaiya bin Zaid who used to live in `Awali Al-Medina, used to visit the Prophet in turns. He used to go one day, and I another day. When I went I would bring him the news of what had happened that day regarding the instructions and orders and when he went, he used to do the same for me. We, the people of Quraish, used to have authority over women, but when we came to live with the Ansar, we noticed that the Ansari women had the upper hand over their men, so our women started acquiring the habits of the Ansari women. Once I shouted at my wife and she paid me back in my coin and I disliked that she should answer me back. She said, `Why do you take it ill that I retort upon you? By Allah, the wives of the Prophet retort upon him, and some of them may not speak with him for the whole day till night.` What she said scared me and I said to her, `Whoever amongst them does so, will be a great loser.` Then I dressed myself and went to Hafsa and asked her, `Does any of you keep Allah`s Apostle angry all the day long till night?` She replied in the affirmative. I said, `She is a ruined losing person (and will never have success)! Doesn`t she fear that Allah may get angry for the anger of Allah`s Apostle and thus she will be ruined? Don`t ask Allah`s Apostle too many things, and don`t retort upon him in any case, and don`t desert him. Demand from me whatever you like, and don`t be tempted to imitate your neighbor (i.e. `Aisha) in her behavior towards the Prophet), for she (i.e. Aisha) is more beautiful than you, and more beloved to Allah`s Apostle.

In those days it was rumored that Ghassan, (a tribe living in Sham) was getting prepared their horses to invade us. My companion went (to the Prophet on the day of his turn, went and returned to us at night and knocked at my door violently, asking whether I was sleeping. I was scared (by the hard knocking) and came out to him. He said that a great thing had happened. I asked him: What is it? Have Ghassan come? He replied that it was worse and more serious than that, and added that Allah`s Apostle had divorced all his wives. I said, Hafsa is a ruined loser! I expected that would happen some day.` So I dressed myself and offered the Fajr prayer with the Prophet. Then the Prophet entered an upper room and stayed there alone. I went to Hafsa and found her weeping. I asked her, `Why are you weeping? Didn`t I warn you? Have Allah`s Apostle divorced you all?` She replied, `I don`t know. He is there in the upper room.` I then went out and came to the pulpit and found a group of people around it and some of them were weeping. Then I sat with them for some time, but could not endure the situation. So I went to the upper room where the Prophet was and requested to a black slave of his: ``Will you get the permission of (Allah`s Apostle) for Umar (to enter)? The slave went in, talked to the Prophet about it and came out saying, `I mentioned you to him but he did not reply.` So, I went and sat with the people who were sitting by the pulpit, but I could not bear the situation, so I went to the slave again and said: ``Will you get he permission for Umar? He went in and brought the same reply as before. When I was leaving, behold, the slave called me saying, ``Allah`s Apostle has granted you permission.`` So, I entered upon the Prophet and saw him lying on a mat without wedding on it, and the mat had left its mark on the body of the Prophet, and he was leaning on a leather pillow stuffed with palm fires. I greeted him and while still standing, I said: ``Have you divorced your wives?` He raised his eyes to me and replied in the negative. And then while still standing, I said chatting: ``Will you heed what I say, `O Allah`s Apostle! We, the people of Quraish used to have the upper hand over our women (wives), and when we came to the people whose women had the upper hand over them...``

`Umar told the whole story (about his wife). ``On that the Prophet smiled.`` `Umar further said, ``I then said, `I went to Hafsa and said to her: Do not be tempted to imitate your companion (`Aisha) for she is more beautiful than you and more beloved to the Prophet.` The Prophet smiled again. When I saw him smiling, I sat down and cast a glance at the room, and by Allah, I couldn`t see anything of importance but three hides. I said (to Allah`s Apostle) ``Invoke Allah to make your followers prosperous for the Persians and the Byzantines have been made prosperous and given worldly luxuries, though they do not worship Allah?` The Prophet was leaning then (and on hearing my speech he sat straight) and said, `O Ibn Al-Khatttab! Do you have any doubt (that the Hereafter is better than this world)? These people have been given rewards of their good deeds in this world only.` I asked the Prophet . `Please ask Allah`s forgiveness for me. The Prophet did not go to his wives because of the secret which Hafsa had disclosed to `Aisha, and he said that he would not go to his wives for one month as he was angry with them when Allah admonished him (for his oath that he would not approach Mariyah). When twenty-nine days had passed, the Prophet went to Aisha first of all. She said to him, `You took an oath that you would not come to us for one month, and today only twenty-nine days have passed, as I have been counting them day by day.` The Prophet said, `The month is also of twenty-nine days.` That month consisted of twenty-nine days. `Aisha said, `When the Divine revelation of Choice was revealed, the Prophet started with me, saying to me, `I am telling you something, but you needn`t hurry to give the reply till you can consult your parents.`` `Aisha knew that her parents would not advise her to part with the Prophet . The Prophet said that Allah had said:--

`O Prophet! Say To your wives; If you desire The life of this world And its glitter, ... then come! I will make a provision for you and set you free In a handsome manner. But if you seek Allah And His Apostle, and The Home of the Hereafter, then Verily, Allah has prepared For the good-doers amongst you A great reward.` (33.28) `Aisha said, `Am I to consult my parents about this? I indeed prefer Allah, His Apostle, and the Home of the Hereafter.` After that the Prophet gave the choice to his other wives and they also gave the same reply as `Aisha did.``

The above Hadith is significant as it contains two important historic points. First it reveals, by Omar’s own admission, that “Ansari women had the upper hand over their men”. Even if we consider that to be an exaggeration, it is clear that women in Medina had more rights and authority than their Quraishy counterparts. Mecca, the home of the Quraish tribe, where Omar and Muhammad came from was a religious hob. People living in religious towns are more bigots than those living in other cities. Religion has always played a role in subjugating women and taking away their human rights. So it is natural that women in Mecca were more subdued than those living anywhere else in Arabia and especially Medina that was a more cosmopolitan city having civilized nations like Jews and Christians as its inhabitants. Omar and Muhammad’s wives enjoyed this emancipating atmosphere and were starting to exercise their relative freedom. This attitude, of course, did not sit well with the two misogynist men of Mecca, namely Omar and Muhammad and as this Hadith demonstrates, they were angry of their wives newfound liberties and rebelliousness.

The importance of this Hadith is in the fact that it proves that women prior to Islam had much more freedom, which was taken away from them by Muhammad and his misogynistic khalifas. It becomes clear that the deplorable status of women in Islam is not a divine verdict but a reflection of how women were treated in Mecca 1400 years ago.

The fact that there is so much emphasis in Quran and in Ahadith about the importance of women being obedient to their husbands is indeed an indication of Muhammad’s own desire to control his young and rebellious wives. (See Q. 4: 34)

The other important point of the above Hadith is that it reveals yet another sexual scandal of the prophet.

One-day Muhammad goes to his wife’s house Hafsa the daughter of Omar and finds her maid Mariyah attractive. He sends Hafsa to Omar’s house, telling her that he wanted to see her. When Hafsa leaves, Muhammad takes Mariyah to bed and has intercourse with her. Meanwhile Hafsa, who finds out that her father was not expecting her, returns home much sooner than expected, and to her chagrin finds her illustrious husband in bed with her maid.

She becomes hysteric and forgetting the station of the prophet she shouts and causes a scandal. The prophet pleads with her to calm down and promises not to sleep with Mariah anymore and begs her also not to divulge this secret to anyone else.

However, Hafsa would not control herself and relays everything to Ayisha who also turns against the prophet and jointly with his other wives cause him much anguish. So the prophet decides to punish all of them and not sleep with any one of his wives for one month. Depriving one’s wives sexually is the second grade of punishment recomendedn in Quran. The first level is admonishing, the second level is depriving them of sex and the third level of punishment is beating them. Q. 4: 34.

Of course when a man decides to punish a wife with sexual deprivation he can satisfy himself with his other wives. But Muhammad’s anger had made him make the oath not to sleep with any of them for one month. That of course would have been too much of hardship for the beloved messenger of God (peace be upon his immaculate soul), therefore God in his mercy came to the aid of his prophet and revealed the Surah Tahrim (Banning). In this Surah Allah rebukes Muhammad for being hard on himself and for depriving himself from what he really likes and has been made lawful for him, in order to please his wives.

This is the text of the Surah Tahrim: Q. 66: 1-5.


1. O Prophet! Why do you ban (for yourself) that which Allâh has made lawful to you, seeking to please your wives? And Allâh is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
2. Allâh has already ordained for you (O men), the dissolution of your oaths. And Allâh is your Maula (Lord, or Master, or Protector, etc.) and He is the All-Knower, the All-Wise.
3. And (remember) when the Prophet (SAW) disclosed a matter in confidence to one of his wives (Hafsah), so when she told it (to another i.e. `Aishah), and Allâh made it known to him, he informed part thereof and left a part. Then when he told her (Hafsah) thereof, she said: ``Who told you this?`` He said: ``The All-Knower, the All-Aware (Allâh) has told me``.
4. If you two (wives of the Prophet SAW, namely `Aishah and Hafsah turn in repentance to Allâh, (it will be better for you), your hearts are indeed so inclined (to oppose what the Prophet SAW likes), but if you help one another against him (Muhammad SAW), then verily, Allâh is his Maula (Lord, or Master, or Protector, etc.), and Jibrael (Gabriel), and the righteous among the believers, and furthermore, the angels are his helpers.
5. It may be if he divorced you (all) that his Lord will give him instead of you, wives better than you, Muslims (who submit to Allâh), believers, obedient to Allâh, turning to Allâh in repentance, worshipping Allâh sincerely, fasting or emigrants (for Allâh`s sake), previously married and virgins. “

Comment:

Although Muhammad gave his word to Hafsa, not to have sex with her maid he could not resist the temptation. Especially now that he had taken another oath not to sleep with all of his wives. It was a difficult situation and no one but Allah could help him. Well, nothing is impossible when you are the prophet of Allah. Leave everything in the hands of the Almighty and let him take care of it. And that is exactly what happened. Allah himself intervened and gave him the green light to follow his heart`s desire. In the Surah Tahrim God licensed his beloved prophet to have his flings and not pay attention to his wives. What can a prophet ask more? Allah was so concerned about Muhammad`s carnal pleasures that he even allowed ALL MEN to break their oaths as a bounty. Alhamdulillah! AllahuAkbar! Subhanillah. Isn`t Allah great?

It is also worthy of mention that Muhammad who came to know that Hafsa did reveal the secret to Aisha, lied to her by pretending that it was Allah who told him so (Ayat 3) while he actually learned it from Ayisha. But of course Muhammad is not the author of Quran. It is Allah himself who is lying for his prophet.

In reaction to the above verses, Ayisha, who was not only young and pretty but also clever, is reported to have said to Muhammad, ``Your God indeed rushes in coming to your aid!``


The above story must have been also embarrassing for Muhammad’s followers even when they gobbled mindlessly everything he told them. So they made other hadithes to explain those verses of Quran that were already explained by Omar.



Sahih Muslim Book 009, Number 3496:

`A`isha (Allah be pleased with her) narrated that Allah`s Apostle (may peace be upon him) used to spend time with Zainab daughter of Jahsh and drank honey at her house. She (`A`isha further) said: I and Hafsa agreed that one whom Allah`s Apostle (may peace be upon him) would visit first should say: I notice that you have an odour of the Maghafir (gum of mimosa). He (the Holy Prophet) visited one of them and she said to him like this, whereupon he said: I have taken honey in the house of Zainab bint Jabsh and I will never do it again. It was at this (that the following verse was revealed): `Why do you hold to be forbidden what Allah has made lawful for you... (up to). If you both (`A`isha and Hafsa) turn to Allah`` up to:`` And when the Holy Prophet confided an information to one of his wives`` (lxvi. 3). This refers to his saying: But I have taken honey.

Also Sahih Muslim Book 009, Number 3497:

The existence of the above Hadith and its difference with the one narrated by Omar reveals yet another fact that the companions of Muhammad were willing to lie, (as Muslims are today) to preserve the image of their prophet from blemish. It would be foolish to accept the excuse of drinking honey to justify those Ayat. First of all honey does not smell bad. But above all it is inconceivable that a trivial incident like drinking honey could cause such an upheaval in the household of the prophet to the extend that he decides to divorce all of his wives or to punish them for one month by not sleeping with them. Could such an insignificant incident like drinking honey provoke so much uproar that the creator of this universe had to intervene with a warning to Muhammad’s wives that Muhammad would divorce all of them and He (Allah) would give him virgin and faithful wives? This explanation is absurd unless honey is the code for something else that the prophet (peace be upon his immaculate soul found with Mariyah)