Religion In A Clubby Hole

Re: # 267

None of them.

Because religion has moved since and One, Single, Monotheist, Formless, Omnipresent, All powerful God described as Allah in Quoran, Ishawar in Bhagwadgita and simply God in christianity is the most accepted definition of God in which most of the believers have faith.

The concept of Ishwar/Allah does not subscribe to multiple Gods each responsible for some natural process. It is one single God who is the creator, preserver and destructor of the worlds.

re:#272 by parthaab
In what is now believed to be the second Nicean council meeting at Constantinople in 4th century AD, older held dogmas about meditation, reincarnation etc were expunged from the christian belief system and deemed heretical.
A new Jesus then had to be resurrected without presenting his life but only his teachings. In his real life, Jesus not only taught but also meditated and attained salvation (Nirvikalpa samadhi per many eastern mystics) through a process well known to Yogis (read The autobiography of a yogi by Yogananda for more insights). However, the christian church had already deemed Jesus the only begotten son of God, so how could he be shown as somebody who toiled for salvation! He was already a son of God (or by some, God himself) at birth. So, again u will not find much about the early childhood of Jesus in modern bible, how he became a great spiritual power that he truly was.
The whole exercise of expunging all the undesirable elements from Jesus`s life to make him look divine, even to the extent of deeming his birth ``virgin birth``. This goes contrary to scientific teachings. Thus, controversy surrounds even his birth (http://www.askwhy.co.uk/christianity/0290.html). I am not a christian but i learnt more about the teachings of christianity from The autobiography that literally celebrates jesus as a true Yogi, at par with the best east has ever produced. Eastern yogis, sages believe Jesus attained the ``samadhi`` the same way as Buddha did, by intense penance, meditation. One German scholar actually says he visited and lived with Buddhist Llamas in Ladakh where old scrolls mention his name!
This is why one finds mostly Jesus`s teachings in bible and not a whole lot about his early life as a child and how he became a spiritual force.
Sridhar

#272, Parthab, {``The Jesus figure of the Gospels is clearly a constructed character, not a real person.``}

You are on to something here. If you look at some of the books that were considered and discarded from inclusion in the Bible, you will find the Gospels of Thomas, Mary, and Nicodemus. Some of these books were revered by a sect called Gnostics, who were eliminated by the ``real`` Christians for being heretics. Similarly, the Old Testament does not include several books that explained Genesis, incest practiced by Adam`s kids, and the lives of Enoch and others early humans. Some books made it, others were burned, some were hidden - all resulting in an ancient conspiracy to create a sanitized version of God, man, and prophets.

The Jesus figure of the Gospels is clearly a constructed character, not a real person. He spends his time telling us things, not living his life. He isn`t even shown working for a living. Whoever penned the gospels started off with the question, `Now what should our hero protagonist look like, to say the wise things we want to put in his mouth?`, and then they painted the required characteristics into their fable-hero.

Ask any religious person to prove there is a real live-and-kicking god out there. They won`t be able to. Yet they think it is rational to pursue religion. It isn`t. It`s time religion got abolished.

How this religion nonsense ever got a foothold in the world is baffling: probably it did so because the deceivers were cunning and the rest couldn`t read.

Religion is a load of mumbo-jumbo invented to deceive people, and it has no place in the modern world, where people can think for themselves and should be asking for proof of what is claimed.

kalihawa {``Buddha was an explorer, the only one with scientific temperament. Most of his early life was spent on quest for meaning of life. Others like Mohammed and Christ appear to be possessed men.``}

Black wind,

So what does that make you? Some dark wind passed by the Dalai Lama?

Oriya boy turns Lord Shiva’s wife


After D K Panda, the Uttar Pradesh senior IPS officer who triggered a hue and cry by calling himself ‘Doosri Radha’, a teenager from Orissa’s Balasore district has become the talk of the town for claiming himself to be Goddess Parvati and ‘marrying’ Lord Shiva.

According to local newspapers, Bhawani Das, the son of hotelier Ashok Das, solemnised his marriage to Lord Shiva last Thursday with the full support and approval of his family.

According to reports, for the past one and a half years, Maa Bhagawati, another incarnation of Goddess Parvati, was entering Bhawani’s body at regular intervals and he had reportedly acquired a divine power to cure people of their ailments and predict their future.


A month ago, under the influence of the goddess, the boy expressed his desire to marry Lord Shiva who, according to him, was residing at the house of Gadhadhar Nayak — a retired officer of a nationalised bank, at Arad Bazar area of the town.

Bhawani’s family and Mr Nayak arranged the boy’s marriage with Lord Shiva last Thursday. The marriage was solemnised as per Hindu rites and tradition. Bhawani — dressed like a bride wearing a red saree, bangles, bindi et al — waited at his father’s place while an idol of Lord Shiva was brought in a baarat from Mr Nayak’s house. The procession was as colourful as any other Hindu marriage with music band and fireworks accompanying it. About hundred people took part as baaratis and a majority of them were women.

Re: # 266Gods and Goddesses

``Ishwar-Allah Tere Naam``

Which one do YOU believe in? Here is a list of the different Gods that Indians of yore believed and worshipped : P.S. Not started on the Persian or South American gods yet.

Below is a listing of the main gods and their websites.


Ambaa-L - An email-group devoted to the Divine Mother, offering hymns & texts singing Her glory.
Lord Ayyappa Sarana Ghosha - A website in Andrapradesh displaying Lord Ayyappa`s 108 names transliterated from the Telugu language.
Goddess Durga, India - This site from Dhanbad, India is dedicated to worship of Goddess Durga & portrays the festival of Durga Puja as it is celebrated in the autumn with different festivities & rituals all over India, but especially in Dhanbad.
Worship of Lord Ganesha - Ganesha`s 108 names; the importance of Ganesha Chaturthi; 55 famous Ganesha Temples in India, compliments of Shivaji Park, an online community in Mumbai.
God in Hindu Dharma and Temples, featuring many of the primary Hindu Gods.
The Eight Kuladevathas of Kerala - H.H. Sudheendra Thirtha Swamiji once told the Kerala community that their welfare would be adversely effected if they failed to continually worship their Kuladevathas or family Deities; he identified 8 important Kuladevathas for them to choose from & build temples to: Sri MahaGanapathi, Sri Lakshmi Narasimha Mahamaya, Sri Damodar, Sri Nagesh, Sri Ramanath Shantheri Kamakshi, Sri Mahalasa Narayani, Sri Mahalakshmi & Sri Devaki Krishna Ravalnath.
``Loving Ganesha, Hinduism`s Endearing Elephant-faced God`` - Himalayan Academy Publications continues its tradition of providing in-depth internet resources with the on-line release of the entire text of this very popular book by Satguru Sivaya Subramuniyaswami.
``Merging With Siva`` - Himalayan Academy Publications offers another on-line release of the entire text of this profound book on God Siva and all about God Realization by Satguru Sivaya Subramuniyaswami.
Lord Muruga - A must-see website for Tamils, Saivites and Muruga Bhaktars. Shakti Vel Muruga!
Lord Muruga - A comprehensive & informative website for Truth Seekers on the South Indian Deity, Bhagavan Sri Skanda, Son of Siva, also known as Lord Muruga & Lord Subramaniam.
Lord Muruga - An exceptionally good website in Tamil & English about worship of Lord Muruga in his Arupadai Veedu.
Sri Sita Rama & the Ramayana - A site dedicated to the glorification of The Ramayana and Lord Rama.

Re: # 263

talkative-mirror:

``Whatever science will not be able to explain will be explained by the religion. ``


Here’s a question that scientific research has so far not been able to answer:

Drugs crystallize in different polymorphic forms. It is very difficult to determine whether any particular drug form would change its polymorphic form during storage. If it does, it may change its physical properties and hence bio-availability. Academics and industry have spent a lot of resources trying to understand why drugs change form with-out any rhyme or reason. So far there is no answer.

Can you point me to some religious texts/religion which can answer this puzzle?

Re: # 266

``Ishwar-Allah Tere Naam``

Which one do YOU believe in? Here is a list of the different Gods that Egyptians of yore believed and worshipped : P.S. Not started on the Roman or Greek, gods yet.

Below is a listing of the main gods and their primary place of worship.

Amaunet - A female counterpart to Amon and one of the primordial gods of the Hermopolitian Ogdoad (group of eight gods). She was also worshipped at Thebes along with Amon and Mut.

Amon - Usually associated with the wind, or things hidden, and was also of the Hermopolitian Ogdoad. At Thebes he became Amon-Re, king of the gods. He was part of the Theban Triad, along with Mut and Khonsu.

Antaios - He was originally a double god, ``the two falcons``, that was later joined to create one, probably that of Horus.

Anuket - Worshipped at Elephantine, she was associated with the gazelle.

Apis - Seen as the bull with a solar disk between its horns, Apis was associated with Osiris and Ptah.

Aton - Also known as Aten, he was worshipped at Tell `Amarna.

Atum - A primordial god that was represented in the form of a human and a serpent. He was the supreme god in the Heliopolitan Ennead (group of nine gods) and formed with Re to create Re-Atum.

Hathor - The goddess of love, dance and alcohol was depicted as a cow. At Thebes she was also the goddess of the dead. She was worshipped at Dendera as the consort of Horus and Edfu, and was associated with Isis at Byblos.

Horus - The earliest royal god was the shape of a falcon, with the sun and moon as his eyes. The sky-god was the ruler of the day. The many forms of Horus are; Re-Harakhti, Harsiesis, Haroeris, Harendotes, Khenti-irti, Khentekhtay (the crocodile-god), and Harmakhis, which is Horus on the horizons, in which the Sphinx of Giza is considered to be his aspect.

Isis - The mother of Horus and sister and consort of Osiris was worshipped at Philae. Associated with Astarte, Hathor, Nut and Sothis, she was later worshipped over the entire Roman Empire.

Khnum - Resembling a human with a rams head, he was worshipped in Hypselis, Esna, Antinoe and Elephantine.

Khonsu - the moon god was the son of Amon and Mut. The main temple at Karnak is dedicated to him.

Min - God of fertility coalesced with Amon and Horus. Min was mainly worshipped at Coptos and Akhmim.

Mut - Worshipped at Thebes, she was a consort of Amon and part of the Theban Triad (group of three gods).

Nut - Mother of the sun, moon and heavenly bodies.

Osiris - He is regarded as the dead king that watches over the nether world and is rejuvenated in his son Horus. As the symbol of eternal life he was worshipped at Abydos and Philae.

Ptah - Worshipped in Memphis, he coalesced with Sokaris and Osiris.

Re - He was the sun god of Heliopolis. From the fifth Dynasty onwards he becomes a national god and is combined with the supreme deity Amon.

Serapis - He was mainly worshipped in Alexandria and was later worshipped by the Greeks as Zeus. He was never fully accepted by the Egyptians in the Ptolemaic period.

Sekhmet - She was part of the Memphite Triad with Ptah and Nefertem. She was the mistress of war and sickness.

Seth - The son of Geb and Nut in the Heliopolitan Ennead was in the form of an animal that has no zoological equivalent. This powerful god was regarded as god of the desert, making him a god of foreign lands.

Shu - He was an ancient cosmic power and was regarded as the god of the air and the bearer of heaven.

Sobek - He was a crocodile god and was worshipped at the Faiyum and Ombos. During the middle Kingdom he coalesced with Re, Sobek-Re, and was worshipped as primordial deity and creator-god.

Thoth - He was worshipped as a baboon in Hermopolis. He was the god of sacred writings and wisdom.

The kings of ancient Egypt were an integral part of religion. They formed a bridge over the chasm dividing the people and the gods.

Re: # 265

Its a bitter truth. The race will be won by religion and not science.

Science is now reaching a plateau. It is stagnating. It does not have a long life. yes Technology will progress. In the coming years, you will see more and more cheaper materials, cheaper gadgets, miniaturised components etc. But the basic science i.e. objective exploration of the nature will not move much further from now.

The recent survey has shown that more than 75% of the people of the world believe in God. The highest percentage is Philipines(91%) and then India(87%). Pakistan score was 78%(oops.. and we Indians thought Pakistan is a religous fundamentalist country). Now when science at its peak could not convince the world about non-existence of God, it is unlikely to do so in future.

So bolo God is Great.Allah-o-Akbar.Ishwar-Allah Tere Naam.

Re: # 263 bolta:
>>>Science ultimately will get dissolved in the religion. Whatever science will not be able to explain will be explained by the religion.

What an unflinching idealism yaar....

There is considerable debate about ``creation out of nothing`` in the forum.

Well, there cannot be anything as ``nothing`` in the universe. Even the empty space cannot be termed as ``nothing`` because science ,along with matter and energy, considers space also a part of universe. Scientifically speaking, the Universe consists of matter, energy and space. So far .it has been known that matter converts into energy and energy dissipates in the space. What happens to the energy after dissipating in space is not known--whether it gets converted back into matter or gets converted into energy or space or whatever. So far the reverse process is also not known. I dont think so far energy could be converted into matter(please correct me if I am wrong) then what to talk about space into energy and energy into matter.

So when ``nothing`` itself doesnt exist, there cannot be any question of any creation out of it. Well, if you mean ``nothing`` as empty space devoid of any matter or energy, then it may be too early to say-because so far we dont know whether space can be converted into matter or energy.But possibility cannot be ruled out.

Re: # 255

``I do not understand the attempts to satisfy religious beliefs with science.``

Science ultimately will get dissolved in the religion. Whatever science will not be able to explain will be explained by the religion.

Re: # 240

I think Mr.Parthaab, you are confusing many things together. That is, God, religion and the deeds done by human beings in the name of religion.

Let us take Islam. Today there is cry of Jehad from certain quarters in Islam. But the thing is that out of 114 or chapters in the Holy Quoran, Jehad is mentioned in only one or two chapters. Further, Jehad is permissible under certain conditions. In balance 113 or so chapters Quoran teaches tolerance only. But if a few people hijack the whole religion out of muscle power, then the religion is not to be blamed. Yes..we ordinary people have to fight continously with whatever resources we have against these demagouges.

I agree with you that certain miracles are mentioned in the scriptures of all religions including Quoran. But the fact is that Jesus, Prophet Mohammed are not revered because of the miracles they performed. The are revered for the overall message they have given to mankind.

I dont agree that faith in God is a sign of slave mentality. Faith in God or for that matter in anything comes from within. From one`s own self. It cannot be taught or forced upon anybody.

Re: # 239

Caste system is prevalent in only One religion i.e. Hinduism. It is not there in Islam, Christianity, Budhism and Sikhism.

Even Hindusim has now accepted it to be a scourage and efforts are being made to eradicate caste-system altogether.

Re: # 237

yes.Why not.........

Kal kya hoga kisko pata,
Abhi zindagai ka lelo mazaa.........