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Life is NOT ha ha he he ..by Meera Saayal


Is there perfect life ? NO ..No not even outside PAkistan


Patriarchy..though WRONG.... is practiced by no less than 2-3 bilions Asian African & even some European cultures.


Pakiastanis instead of dwelling repeatedly on the same displeasures in T.V. drama ,Urdu Afsana ,English Novels & Short stories would do bettr by developing POSITIVE ATTITUDE ,grab the problem by its stem & do somthing or else accommodate .

Ghada Karmi: The Strength of Palestinian Narrative in the Face of Violence #36 by stuka on February 4, 2003 9:36am PT
I believe that there have also been some suicide bombings in Karachi. Instead of calling it terrorism, why is the Pakistani government not doing more to find out what motivates such people? After all, the Pakistani government must have done something truly horrible to these people to make them lose all sense of hope.

The Pakistani establishment must do some introspection to understand the root causes of such suicide bombings and give a reason to hope and live for the future to the would be terrorists. It is easy to condemn such terrorism but law enforcement is not enough; the demands of these suicide bombaers should be met to prevent terrorism in the future.
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STUKA
It would help if you gave ref. to specific incident .

Lawlessness in Karachi is for decades .Since 80s when Mujahdeen were given Stringer & pat on the back by Breczinsky (?) u r the best .....

On the west Pakistan is free for all country ....Arabs Afghani ,Iranian,& of course RAW .Pakistan is ill equiped not only to control Pakistanis but outsiders as you know Alqeida ,Taleban all find easy hideout there .

Untill unless outsiders uNDERSTAND the unusual nature of it ,you cant make an accurate judgement or opinion.

NYC Khwaja Ahmed Abbas saheb Marhoom made many movies but one was on the cityy of Bombay ..Of course Thackereys MUMAI is even worse given the seterioration in last 2 decades.

Sheher Aur Sapna .THe hero & heroine live in Drain Pipe !!!!The Drain pie of Big cities like Bombay & New York is also very large almost 6 ft in diameter .

All metropolitan cities are Concrete jungle .Whereas small town every body comes to your help ,its a big deal for Rudy Juliane (shattap Saxenna )that a 9/11 collossal catastrophe it takes New York to look for its heart among the rubble concrete of the twin tower impersonalness.

Ashwin your poem is materpiece & nothing comes close to capturing the essence of million rat race .

Once Upon A Time: When The World Spoke Arabic #56 by pmishra2 on January 28, 2003 11:56am PT
#54 Shah

There is an ongoing debate in India about the interpretation of indian history of the mediaeval islamic period. Right-wing folks have (correctly) argued that left-wing historians have intentionally downplayed destruction of hindu artifacts and sites of worship by islamic invaders. Left-wing historians have pointed out that islam has been in India a long time and that it is important to distinguish between the early invasions (900-1200) vs. later mediaeval kings such as Moghuls, Tipu Sultan, etc. While sometimes the discussion has been hijacked for political ends, overall the debate is a healthy one.

BTW, the Dara Shikoh Park (improvement of Red Fort area) under consideration is proposed by Jagmohan, who is about as hard-line a Sanghi as you will find. So I would be careful before claiming that indian secularism is dead today


If having names of Parks & Hospitals in the name of Minority names is the criteria of Secularism then why Pakistan is not considered SEULAR country ,my god
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They have Ganga Ram Hospital ,still named so 54 yrs after independence !!!!!!!

Once Upon A Time: When The World Spoke Arabic #57 by pmishra2 on January 28, 2003 12:18pm PT
#55 Shah


Hey, dont argue with me, please write to:

M B Naqvi

The writer is a well-known

journalist and freelance columnist

mbnaqvi@cyber.net.pk
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pMisra@



THere are ten times more & far more incising articles written by Arundhati Roy ,Kushwant singh ,Kuldip Nayar ,Vir Singhvi,Dilip D`Souza,Romillar Thapppar,Salil Tripathy ,Jethmalani ,Barkha Dutta,to name just top of my head ......

I wouldnt include Shabuddin ,Saeed Naqvi of India, or other muslims for the sake of SECULARISM & remaining non communal in my bias

Can we Stop the War

#158 by arjun_m on January 24, 2003 8:30pm PT
#156 by AAmir on January 24, 2003 8:11pm PT

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,880274,00.html

Preacher `called on Muslims to murder Jew
Arjun_m
MUSLIMS NEVERMADE SO MUCH BOOO HAA HAAA OF TAGODIA WHEN HE THREATENED TO REPEAT GUJJU RIOTS Elswhere in other states of India .ITS THE SAME THING ...IGNORE MODE



In speech, Kerry to call Bush policy `dangerous`
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By Thanassis Cambanis, Globe Staff, 1/23/2003

[W] ASHINGTON - In a sweeping speech prepared for delivery today, Democratic presidential candidate John F. Kerry calls the Bush administration`s foreign policy ``wrong and even dangerous`` and lays out his own vision for an engaged and multilateral US approach to the world.

The remarks describe a US foreign policy that makes the war on terrorism a top priority, but works within the bounds of institutions like the United Nations. Kerry, the junior senator from Massachusetts, is to give the speech tonight at Georgetown University.

The text attacks the Bush administration for alienating key allies, abandoning international agreements like the Kyoto Protocol on Global Warming, and ignoring its obligations to create peace and democratization proposals as ambitious as its war plans for Afghanistan and Iraq.

``In a world growing more, not less, interdependent, unilateralism is a formula for isolation and shrinking influence,`` the text says. ``As much as some in the White House may desire it, America can`t opt out of a networked world.``

The White House did not return a call yesterday seeking comment on the speech.

The speech says the Bush administration ``missed an opportunity to enlist much greater support`` for the Middle East peace process. A settlement between Israelis and Palestinians requires America`s active involvement, the text reads, and ``extremists must not be allowed to control this process.``

Kerry`s speech also rebukes the administration for relying too heavily on local warlords in Afghanistan, a decision that ``permitted many Al Qaeda members, likely including Osama bin Laden himself, to slip through our fingers.``

Describing the Bush administration`s foreign policy as ``blustering,`` ``belligerent,`` and ``myopic,`` Kerry`s speech says America should work more carefully to secure its goals through diplomacy and international cooperation, counting on its military strength only as a last resort.

``Energetic global leadership is a strategic imperative for America, not a favor we do for other countries,`` the text says.

Kerry is not expected to change his basic position on Iraq in the speech. He voted in favor of the Senate resolution authorizing force last fall, but has urged the Bush administration to seek support through the United Nations.

Kerry also proposes a more vigorous campaign to bring Arab nations into the World Trade Organization. The United States and its allies should launch a ``high-profile Middle East trade initiative`` designed to reverse declining standards of living in the region and spur economic growth, the text says.

T

Can we Stop the War
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=2074666


Annan: Terrorism Must Not Be Used to Abuse Rights
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By Evelyn Leopold UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan, opening a high-level meeting on counterterrorism, urged the world not to use the war against terrorism to demonize political opponents and sacrifice civil liberties.

Foreign ministers of U.N. Security Council nations conducted a high-level meeting to keep on weapons of mass destruction from terrorists, a session at times overshadowed by heightened tensions in North Korea and fear of war in Iraq.

Secretary of State Colin Powell and a dozen other ministers from Europe, Latin America and Africa as well as Russia and China came to a Security Council session to take stock and strengthen counterterrorism measures, an initiative of French Foreign Minister Dominique de Villepin, whose country holds the council`s rotating presidency.

Calling for sustained action against terrorists, Annan said, ``The tragic loss of life in terrorist attacks, such as those in Moscow, Bali and Mombasa, is a dramatic reminder that success in countering this threat remains elusive.``

But he said ``the danger is that in pursuit of security, we end up sacrificing crucial liberties, thereby weakening out common security, not strengthening it -- and thereby corroding the vessel of democratic government from within.``

IRAQ CRISIS

But the Iraq crisis hovered in the background and at times in the meeting itself with China, France and Germany making it clear to Powell that a major report by arms inspectors on Jan. 27 should not automatically trigger a U.S. attack.

``I believe this report actually is not a full stop of the inspection work but rather a new beginning,`` Chinese Foreign Minister Tang Jiaxuan told reporters before the meeting.

He said U.N. arms inspectors said they needed more time to conduct proper inspectors and ``I think we should respect their opinion and support their work,`` he added.

German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer, in a his council speech, made a strong case against attacking Iraq.

``We are greatly concerned that a military strike against the regime in Baghdad would involve considerable and unpredictable risks for the global fight against terrorism,`` he said,`` adding that it could destabilize the Middle East.

``These are fundamental reasons for our rejection of military action,`` Fischer said.

Villepin, who like Fischer and Tang met privately with Powell, told Annan on Sunday that France would oppose a war against Iraq if a clear case was not made for it. He also said the inspectors needed more time, U.N. sources said.

But British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said ``time was running out for Iraq`` and that ``rogue states`` may provide terrorists with an arsenal of international weapons and action to disarm them was as urgent as action to stop terrorism.

The anti-terrorism declaration prepared for the foreign ministers to adopt warns that terrorists could obtain weapons of mass destruction.

COUNTERTERRORISM COMMITTEE

The council, shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States, formed a counterterrorism committee, headed by British Ambassador Sir Jeremy Greenstock, that requires regular reports from all U.N. members on what they are doing to combat terrorism and gives advice, such as how to bolster border guards or monitor the movement of illicit funds.

Greenstock warned 13 countries that had not submitted their report to do so by March 31 or face unspecified consequences.

Powell, U.S. officials said, also spoke to various ministers about North Korean, which has withdrawn from the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty after ejecting inspectors of the International Atomic Energy Agency.

But the United States is not expected to push for council action on North Korea until it gets its way on Iraq. Only the Bush administration has declared that Iraq is in ``material breach`` of a Nov. 8 resolution that gives it one last chance to comply or face ``serious consequences.``

Under Security Council Resolution 1441, adopted on Nov. 8, false statements or omissions in the declaration as well as a failure to cooperate with inspections, would constitute a further ``material breach.`` The council would then have to assess the violation and can but is not compelled to authorize military action.

Other Foreign ministers at to the one-day meeting include Igor Ivanov of Russia, Ana Palacio of Spain, Francois Louceny Fall of Guinea, Francois Xavier Ngoubeyou of Cameroon, Solomon Passy of Bulgaria, Joao Bernardo de Miranda of Angola and Mian Khursheed Mehmood Kasuri of Pakistan.

Can we Stop the War http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,879016,00.html
Comment
Fear and loathing OF U.K.MUSLIMS
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Like Catholics during the Troubles, British Muslims are being persecuted in the name of security

Faisal Bodi
Tuesday January 21, 2003
The Guardian

Under normal circumstances, yesterday`s raid on the Finsbury Park Mosque in north London would have evoked little sympathy in the Muslim community for its unpopular and somewhat embarrassing residents, led by Sheikh Abu Hamza al-Masri. But with poll after poll showing the Muslim community in open disagreement with government claims that the war on terror is not a war on Islam, it is a sure bet that the swoop on a place of worship will be viewed as an escalation of hostilities. And not without justification. Police have violated the sanctity of a mosque to silence a preacher in a way that would be inconceivable for any other faith.

Since the alleged discovery of ricin traces a fortnight ago, the gloves have come off in the government`s dirty war against Britain`s Muslims. Last week David Blunkett said he would support police in whatever steps they deemed necessary to flush out the ``terrorists``. The message came as the home secretary announced an inquiry into the events surrounding the tragic death of DC Stephen Oake, stabbed allegedly by an absconded asylum seeker in Manchester.

While the inquiry will identify the operational failures in last week`s botched arrest, what it will avoid is an investigation of where the political culpability lies for his death. That must surely rest in parliament, and its enactment of latitudinous anti-terrorism legislation, which has positioned the police on the frontline of a war against the Muslim community.

For all the hysterical headlines warning of a Bin Laden in our backyard, the reality is a picture of political repression of Muslims that is starting to resemble the experience of Northern Ireland`s Catholics throughout the Troubles. While they were in force, two laws - the Emergency Provisions Act of 1973, and the Prevention of Terrorism Act 1974 - were used to drag an estimated 60,000 overwhelmingly innocent people from their beds.

Comparisons with the two most recent terrorism statutes are not misplaced. Just as no further action resulted from the majority of arrests under the Northern Ireland laws, so too are the Terrorism Act 2000 and the anti-terrorism crime and security bill simply proving to be instruments of victimisation and criminalisation.

Shortly before Christmas an acquaintance was stopped as he drove past Chelsea Barracks. Three police vans surrounded his vehicle. At least six armed policeman charged out, screaming at him not to move and to raise his hands. For 20 minutes they stood the 49-year-old father of five up against a wall in full view of passing traffic - much of it hooting in approval - while they combed his people carrier, their guns cocked. My Pakistan-born friend has no doubt he was apprehended because his beard and north African-style identify him as a Muslim.

On the same day as the Manchester arrests, anti-terrorist police swooped on addresses in a north-west town to detain five south Asian Muslim men linked to a charity working in Afghanistan. Once in custody, police asked them to sign a document waiving their right to consult a solicitor. When this failed they denied the men permission to speak to a London-based lawyer on the grounds that she was too far away. When eventually a local solicitor was contacted, the police refused to furnish him with the reasons for the arrests. While the men were being held, officers ransacked their homes and offices, the net result of which was a big blank, at least on the terrorism front. Not to be defeated, the police bailed the five to reappear on suspicion of a theft charge relating to the charity`s assets, which they suggest is a ploy designed to discredit them in the Muslim community.

Their treatment falls into a pattern of repressive activity against Muslim organisations that does not stop at show-raids on Finsbury Park. The mosque has been under MI5 surveillance for years and if there was so much as a crumb of cannabis, let alone ricin, it would have been snuffed out long ago. The discovery of a stun gun, an imitation gun and a CS gas canister doesn`t justify the scale or nature of this highly politicised raid. And it doesn`t alter the fact that the authorities havefailed to link Abu Hamza with everything from alleged terrorist plots involving his family in Yemen in 1998 to being a recruitment agent for al-Qaida.

The raid comes as the charity commission`s anxiety about British mosques has intensified. It has written to mosques, telling them to avoid allowing their premises to be used for political activities - an attitude that attacks the principle of the inseparability of faith and politics in Islam. Last April, in a move certain to be contested by his lawyers, the charity commission suspended Abu Hamza from preaching, overruling a 1998 court order which had granted him permission to lead Friday prayers. Last week the commission made that ban permanent.

Even banks appear to have been asked to keep an eye on mosque accounts. One London branch referred a cheque for £30,000 - payment to a building contractor - to the police.

The type of draconian legislation that produces such abuses is not so much designed to tackle terrorism as to manufacture an illusion of it for propagandist purposes. The recent wave of arrests under terrorism legislation, nearly all of them of Muslims, follows a relative lull since September, a fact that is surely related to the government`s intention to exaggerate an internal terrorist threat in an effort to persuade an unconvinced public of the need to wage war against Iraq.

Whatever the motive, it is clear the response is incommensurate with the threat, the alleged discovery of ricin traces and a stun gun notwithstanding - it mustn`t be forgotten that in their zeal to secure terrorism convictions, British police have not been beyond tampering with evidence, as in the case of the Birmingham Six.

In a reply to the Lords last May on the effect of anti-terrorism legislation, Lord Rooker said: ``One hundred and forty-four persons have been arrested under the Terrorism Act 2000, of which 46 have been charged with offences. There have been no convictions for terrorist offences to date but 10 people are undergoing or awaiting trial for such offences.`` The current figure is closer to 200 and the fact still remains that there has yet to be a single conviction. What is more, most of those charged have been hit with section 57 of the Terrorism Act 2000, a trawling net of a provision if ever there was one: ``A person commits an offence if he possesses an article in circumstances which give rise to a reasonable suspicion that his possession is for a purpose connected with the commission, preparation or instigation of an act of terrorism.`` Well that pretty much covers everything, including this computer I`m using - and since the killing of DC Oake, even the cross-channel trucker who unwittingly smuggles in a desperate asylum seeker. The inordinate fear planted in our minds, which first asked us to make an imaginary connection between 9/11 and Saddam Hussein, now demands that we invent more mental dots to connect terrorists with asylum seekers. Seeing a political opportunity, the right has fused the less popular xenophobia with the more popular Islamophobia. It should alert us all to the fact that both have a common wellspring in hatred of the other.

If you`re in any doubt read the following excerpt from the Daily Mail of August 20 1938: ``The way stateless Jews from Germany are pouring in from every port of this country is becoming an outrage.`` There are some things even a holocaust can`t change.

· Faisal Bodi is a writer on Muslim affairs and editor of ummahnews.com

comment@guardian.co.uk

Can we Stop the War
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#144 by stuka on January 24, 2003 6:57am PT
American Express:

Please tell me any point of time in the past 1300 years when there was no intra Islamic violence.

Otherwise shut up.


STUKA

You understand my last response was in terms of progress of Islamic people in general



If you are comparing Muslims intra wars (or violence ) yes there was in midevial period which by CO INCIDENCE happens to be Islamic period (ANY OTHER CIVILIZATION AT THAT PEIOD SAY ROMAN WOULD HAVE DONE THE SAME )

Were the gora history even upto Vietnamwar has it been any e.g. of NON VIOLENCE ???????


Gora from the time of VIKINGS Huns ATILA Romans right upto COLONIALISM have been MOST VIOLENT RACE ,Patrdon me than Islamic despite all this terrorism or Palestenian hijacking dramas.


If you ae comparing with India ..yes Indian violence has been mainly INSIDE the country .It has not been as we all know b/c India never expanded ,led expedition of adventure or even acquiring things from far places.Most traders from far places came TO india & exchanged good from there lands for Indiann spices etc.

There was intra indian fight Ashokas cionversionwas result f bloody war aftermath,we hear of fragmented kingdoms of many small kingdoms in India & i am sure it means they hated each others guts out to remain fragmented.Its only BIG wars like Mongols expedition or Crusades massacre of Jerusalem muslims get mentioned in books .

My personal opinins is hat Muslims as race or religion even of the worst kind is not as bad as the gora .May be we see mostly domestic violence ,serial kilers ,child molesters but besides exception of the Lahore guy who killed hundred children there is nothingin Isklamic theology history psyche or philosophy to predilect them to be more than others prone to violence !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Life with Wife #16Nasah
#18 by Saminasha on January 24, 2003 8:25am PT
With all due respect, this seems likes an interesting


Plz. we understand the `americanised anglican concept of LOVE before marriage ` cannot fathom the experience

Husbands are things that wives have to get used to putting up with.
And with whom they breakfast with and sup with.
They interfere with the discipline of nurseries,
And forget anniversaries,
And when they have been particularly remiss
They think they can cure everything with a great big kiss,
And when you tell them about something awful they have done they just
look unbearably patient and smile a superior smile,
And think, Oh she`ll get over it after a while.

And if you look in their direction they act as if they were martyrs and
you were trying to sacrifice, or immolate them,
And when it`s a question of walking five miles to play golf they are very
energetic but if it`s doing anything useful around the house they are
very lethargic,
And then they tell you that women are unreasonable and don`t know
anything about logic,
And they never want to get up or go to bed at the same time as you do,
And when you perform some simple common or garden rite like putting
cold cream on your face or applying a touch of lipstick they seem to
think that you are up to some kind of black magic like a priestess of
Voodoo.
And they are brave and calm and cool and collected about the ailments
of the person they have promised to honor and cherish,
But the minute they get a sniffle or a stomachache of their own, why
you`d think they were about to perish,
And when you are alone with them they ignore all the minor courtesies
and as for airs and graces, they uttlerly lack them,
But when there are a lot of people around they hand you so many chairs
and ashtrays and sandwiches and butter you with such bowings and
scrapings that you want to smack them.
Husbands are indeed an irritating form of life,
And yet through some quirk of Providence most of them are really very
deeply ensconced in the affection of their wife. :0))

Is It A War On Islam? THIS SPOT LIGHT BROUGHT JUST LIKE #76(azM)brought in sympathy of Pakistanis & other Muslims & Immgrants show of solidarity ....Adnan plz NOTE




U.S.-Deported Pakistanis: Outcasts in Two Lands

Six Pakistani men who were deported under a post-Sept. 11
crackdown are now stranded between countries and cultures.
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/20/international/asia/20STAN.html?todaysheadlines

Another Visit to Pakistan L:
#25

According to indian laws, A state has a *say* whether or not to summon for a military, central ministry can not force their decision on states on such matters.

Keshto

Good now stick to Indian law & dont become Arabic Scholar of Islamic theology without credentials.Atleast you are Indian .

Snakes And Ladders #60 by harimau on January 17, 2003 0:00am PT
Ref Not-Checking-Credt-Card-Bills #59

[More than decade ago Saudie Astronaut went there DOES THAT HERALD An OCCASION FOR MUSLIM FOR HAVING BEATEN THE JEW & THE HINDU BY MORE THAN A DECADE .What morons !!!!???]

No. Because, before that, Rakesh Sharma went for a joyride on a Soviet rocket. No way any Muslim can beat a Hindu. In fact, a Vietnamese. a Frenchman, a Czech (at least, I think it was a Czech, certainly someone from Eastern Europe) and an Indian had hitched rides on Soviet spacecraft before the US thought of accommodating some useless Saudi Fakhr in their space shuttle.

By the way, Kalpana Chawla, the US astronaut of Indian descent was not selected just to provide some diversity. She is a mission specialist, a scientist with good credentials.

Harami

THERE IS MORE TO American Express meaning than a baniya & Credit Cards.

THANK YOU .WE ALL GET OUR NEWS FROM OTHER RELIABLE SOURCES BETTER THAN STALE & RECYCLED REPETITIOUS WANNABE NEWS REPORTER LIKE YOU .

AND IF YOU ASK ME WHAT HAS YOUR RAKESH OR CHOWLA DONE EXCEPT BE A PEG IN TH E THE MACHINERY OF EITHER THE SOVIET RESEARCH DATA OR AMERICANS.

DESPITE 4 decades of SPACE RESEARCH NOTHING USEFULL HAS COME TO WRITE HOME ABOUT .I AM NOT PREPARED TO LISTEN TO ANOTHER u.S. EVASIVE PUBLIC RELATION BROCHURE OF NASA FROM YOU SO PLZ SPARE ME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kufa upon Euphrates All these Euphemism has been all used up in the first Iraq war.
Dont forget it would be 2nd time around .
The first had all the emotions & rhetorics of drama metaphors & reference to all sorts of Hadeeth ,Koran ,& KARBALA......
Now it is more a routine job specially for the Americans after the Afghan operation.

If according to ``Muslim Pundits`` Mid East has already hit the Rock bottom .
What i dont understand with only 330 million muslims being from Arab countries why such wise Pundits have written off ISLAM with ARABS .

And even i a non arab know many Arabs as many as 1/2 of Lebenon & talkative Minister TARIQ AZIZ is not even ISLAMIC.

Spare me my worry for `REAL` muslim nation with 101% muslims would you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

USA and Muslims




: #63 Shankar:
[ ... Payback`s a reeeaaal bitch, aint it?! ...]


Who cares what you call it as if we ask for reason.Hate only has to be taken care of the best way we have been & we can!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pamphlet Poison
THE ONLY SOLUTION IS FINANCIAL BOYCOTT

Anti-national elements that are using the money they earn with our cooperation to weaken us. They buy arms and molest our sisters and daughters. The answer to these elements lies in financial non-cooperation movement.

AWAKE HINDU BROTHERS

The time has come for the Hindu religion, which has been enslaved in spite of living in Hindustan. To date, all the governments have been supporting Muslims. These Muslims do not know that Hindu society has woken up and is in the process of sending all Muslims to Pakistan. Those Muslims who are against Hindus are all terrorists. Their chief bootlegger is Delhi`s Shahi Imam Bukhari who is the main terrorist. Those Muslims who think VHP and Bajrang Dal are like mushrooms (cat`s cap) should know that your Bukhari or Dawood Ibrahim or the Muslims of Pakistan or Bharat could never compare with Pravin Togadia or Bal Thackeray. All of you are like ants and insects in front of these two. The violence that erupted after the killings in Godhra is a warning to you Muslims that there is still time for you to go to Pakistan if you want to.

We do not want to leave a single Muslim alive in Gujarat. The people of villages as well as cities have now woken up and they are ready to take an eye for an eye {respond to stones with bricks}. To avenge murder {revenge for blood with blood} we will kill Muslims wherever we see them. Annihilate Muslims from Bharat. Muslims do not know that they are not fanatical Muslims. When there were kings, the Muslim kings forced our Hindu brethren to convert and then committed atrocities against them.

And this will continue to happen till Muslims are not exterminated. Therefore, it is necessary for our Hindu brethren to come forward. After the Godhra killings, only 10 per cent of Hindus have been enraged. Muslims should realise that only 10 per cent of Hindus have called for their annihilation. If the remaining 90 per cent also call for their annihilation then the name Muslim will not survive in Gujarat and the time has come to call for the annihilation of all Muslims. In many villages this has already been done. Now the Hindus of the villages should join the Hindus of the cities and complete the work of annihilation of Muslims. The Muslims who consider the architect of Bharat, Baba Ambedkar, to be an untouchable, do not know that they are not even fit to be his footwear.

If Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel had been the Prime Minister of India then not a single Muslim would have been in India. So, let all Hindu brethren know that the time has come to eradicate the Muslim word from Gujarat. All Hindu brethren are requested to be ready to destroy Muslims without being afraid of any politician. Temples are searched to catch kar sevaks then why cannot the madrassas and mosques be searched for the arms of Muslims? People of villages and cities get ready and celebrate next Holi with the corpses of Muslims.

Let the supreme court say what it wants to The temple will be constructed at that spot Long live Hindu nation!

Hindu Sevak

The only solution is financial boycott. Anti-national elements that are using the money they earn with our cooperation to weaken us. They buy arms and molest our sisters and daughters. The answer to these elements lies in Financial Non-Cooperation Movement

Come! Let us resolve:

I will not buy any thing from any Muslim shopkeeper.

I will not sell my goods to these elements.

Neither use these traitors` hotels or their garages.

I will give my car to Hindus` garages only. From a needle to gold, do not buy anything made by a Muslim nor sell anything made by us to them.

Boycott movies casting Muslim heroes-heroines. Banish films of traitorous producers.

Never work in Muslims` offices and do not employ Muslims.

Such a stringent economic boycott will suffocate those elements and break their backs. Then it will be difficult for them to live in any corner of the country. Friends, start this boycott from today so that no Muslim will have the guts to lift his head before us and live. Have you read this newsletter? Then make 10 copies and distribute it amongst our brethren. He who does not follow this newsletter and does not distribute it to others-may he be cursed by Hanuman and Ramchandra. Jai Shree Ram!

A true Hindu patriot

USA and Muslims
re: #63 Shankar:
[ ... Payback`s a reeeaaal bitch, aint it?! ...]


Yes Muslims are under fire BUT its not Pay Back but Hindus LIKE Shourie ,ADvani Tagodia Singhal Thackerey To Shyama Prasad Mukherjee have made it there life obsession to HATE MUSLIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shourie is wrong - The Asian Age



July 7, 1998

Referring to the records of the Ministry of Human Resource Development, Arun Shourie has discovered that the alleged change in the BJP government’s resolution reconstituting the Indian Council for Historical Research from ``rational`` to ``national`` is in fact a typing error. The mistake occurred, according to him, not now but some 20 years ago. Thereafter, every time the council was reconstituted the mistake was carried forward. And it happened this time as well.

Even if Shourie’s contention is true (unlike Shourie who is a BJP MP, a resident of Delhi elected from UP, I have no means to ascertain from the ministry), the question is why is it that such a large number of people are exercised now, whereas in the past, it was not even noticed.

Shourie suspects a well-planned conspiracy against the BJP, orchestrated by the ``pall bearers of secularism`` and progressive historians. How else, he asks, could such a public outcry on a trivial matter happen? He lists a large number of newspapers and journals who are part of this conspiracy. I can add to his list. In fact, there is hardly any newspaper or journal in the country, except those supporting the Sangh Parivar, both in English and in other Indian languages, not apprehensive about the government’s intentions. And they are not a part of any conspiracy, but liberal independent newspapers and periodicals.

This rather wide-spread concern is because of two reasons. First, the concept of nation the Sangh Parivar has tried to promote and secondly, its attitude towards the past. Drawing upon V.D. Savarkar’s idea of nation. the Parivar has launched an aggressive campaign of cultural nationalism based on Hindutva, subverting thus the territorial and secular concept of the nation evolved during the struggle against colonialism. Understandably, when the national interpretation of history is stated as one of the objectives of the resolution passed by the BJP government, it arouses apprehensions in the public as to what would constitute the nation in the new dispensation.

The past record of the Parivar tends to reinforce these apprehensions. Right from 1977 the Parivar has not lost any opportunity to ``Hinduise`` Indian history. In Madhya Pradesh and Uttar Pradesh, they tried to change the content of text books to suit the Hindu interpretation of our past. It is reported that the RSS is currently engaged in writing a multi-volume history of India, revising our past from the period of Indus civilisation to the freedom movement.

In the textbooks published by the Bharatiya Shiksha Samiti of Rajasthan and prescribed in schools run by the Parivar, the karsevaks who died in the assault on Babri Masjid are accorded the status of national heroes. Apart from all this the Parivar has effectively used history as an ideology for political mobilisation, mythologising, distorting and falsifying it. Therefore, the widespread apprehension when the BJP government sought to fill the Council with historians of their hue. It is not just a matter of a typing error. What is involved is much deeper than that which has serious implications for the discipline of history. The historical research based on a religious interpretation of history which the new council is likely to promote would push Indian historiography backwards at least by a 100 years.

The main objective which I had raised, Shourie has chosen to ignore. A national council, be it of history or philosophy, or social sciences should reflect the state of the art in that discipline. The historical scholarship in India has several streams which engage in healthy and active dialogue. The ICHR in fact was conceived as a platform for such a dialogue. By packing the Council mainly with historians of one persuasion the government ‘has defeated the very objective of the ICHR.

Shourie has insinuated that historians associated with the Towards Freedom project (I am one of them) sponsored by the ICHR have swindled money and has asked the Ministry to clarify who has got how much. This is an old charge which keeps surfacing now and then. About a Year back Times of India carried a front page story on this. The historians had then clarified through a public statement, published in several newspapers, that they have not drawn any money from the ICHR and that they worked for five years purely in an honorary capacity. When he gets the information from the ministry, if he does, that the editors have in fact not taken any money, I would normally expect Shourie to tender a public apology. But given his intellectual honesty and cultural level reflected in his article, I do not think it would be forthcoming. The alternative of suing for defamation the likes of Shourie is below one’s dignity. But I do not expect at least the ministry to make it a public statement on the factual position.

About some of our distinguished and respected historians Shourie has chosen to make unfounded and undignified remarks. He alleges that they belong to a mutual admiration club and that they built their reputation ``by reviewing each others books``! If he believes, as he apparently does, that the fame of historians like S.Gopal, R.S.Sharma, Romila Thapar and Irfan Habib who are held in high academic esteem, both nationally and internationally, are based on cheap manipulation, there must be something congenitally wrong with his mind. Otherwise it is possible that he is reflecting his own personal experience as to how a ``fellow`` like him who writes communal mythology has come to be regarded a distinguished journalist.

Finally, about hymen and virginity about which Shourie, as a good Hindu, is rightly concerned. In the public eye his hymen has not remained intact, not because where he writes or to whom he gives interviews and articles only because what he writes. Needless to say that the RSS publications carry his interviews and articles only; because they are rabidly communal. He can not hope to remain a virgin after selling himself in the flesh market. Being a BJP member of the Parliament and an ideologue of Hindu communalism, Shourie should get his hymen tested, if he is still under misconception about his virginity. As for me, unlike him, I do not try to hunt with the hound and run with the hare. I contribute signed articles to the publications of the Communist Party, because I believe in the ideals it stands for democracy, secularism and socialism. By doing so, if my hymen is broken I do not lament it, as Shourie does. Incidentally, for the sake of record, the name of ``this man`` whom Shourie describes as a ``ring leader`` is not K.N.Panicker, but K.N.Panikkar. If not his facts, he should at least get the spelling right.

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