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#265 by sadna on June 9, 2003 10:41am PT
nb #253

How can some one claim secularism without having a RELIGION....

All you end up dioing is either trying to make every one Irreligous ,aethist ,agnostic or like yourself any thing but religion.

For Better or Worse The species that want to ape galopping like horse in Chandi Garh or Delhi is disorientd .

making the same mistake twice .....

same diseasewrong medicine...

american work force is result of ww2 ..rememder Rosie the Rivetter .she was a 2nd hand of men in the rt.hand of teMAN!!!!!!!!!

Those that wantto coy America 50 yrs later better see here the SOURCE is .....


if i could i would give employment to ALL men women hindu muslim bengali pounjabi ..

BUT

now America itself has 9 yrs HIGEST UN employment rate


need i say dont count your chicken before its hatched !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

For Better or Worse
aol pol so far 11,839 american surved (aprox result with all disclimesof satisticalfig.)


HOW WOULD YOU SPEND 650000$

Raising kid 85%(10,058)

Anything else BUT kid.....14%(16636)


So Pakistani is your Boss giving you somthing(Naheed,Nomani ,Nadira,)


and keeping the good for itself???


raising kid evenadopted is worth 650ooo to MOST

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#@%& NB
Correction correction correction..why not

,most knowkledgeable urban muslim think Hindus have right to there believe just as Many knowledgeable HINDUS ... see no outlandish queer or bizzare OF ISLAM ..as hate mongers on opposite side MAKE IT.... to look bad ....

MORE ..later

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#57 by shankar on June 9, 2003 6:24am PT
hamidm
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Shankar Da Da

We like to send all McAules children hindu muslim to your Ambani ,Dosani ,Jethmalani ,Advani ,Chugtigyani ,Brijlani ,but the addict Salman (as in RAAASH DIE )even does not want to live iin Mumbai like you who divided the countryfor few cheap whisky TO ....hamidm Sameer And THE Rapist (?)

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#49 #50 #52


http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/index.cfm

 


The failure of state socialism


Nearly all socialists except anarchists believe that the state can be used in some form to transform today`s society. Social democrats for instance work only through the current state, while Leninists will try and seize control of the state and transform it into a force for socialism. Anarchists believe such state-socialist or authoritarian socialist methods are doomed to failure. The following articles go some way towards explaining why and illustrate just how brutal and counter-revolutionary Socialist governments have been. A general overview is found in Why Anarchism Today?.

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Boards of directors are allowed to work together, so are banks and investors and corporations in alliances with one another and with powerful states. That`s just fine. It`s just the poor who aren`t supposed to cooperate.

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#253 by nb on June 8, 2003 8:04pm PT
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Wwithout knowing me your assertion on grounds of ignorance can be denied admission forthwith without hearing.

But i do know about hinduism just i suspect you know about Islam ..enough to be NOT disrespectfull.

Debates here are anonymous and I dot see being translated into action but measure the depth of anger misunderstanding for awareness not policy I HOPE.

I dot Think al Indians hate Pakistan and Muslims and I don`t Think all Pakistanis hate Hindu and India.

And bottom line is a Ore in Bhubaneshwer village even if he curses me day in day out how can he harm me

And say a mohajir in Karach i shouting Murdabad or nasty hatefiull slogans is ALL HOT WIND and AIR.havent you learnt then you are too young.

I dont think ,most knowkledgeable urban muslim think Hindus have right to there believe just as Many knowledge see no outlandish queer or bizzare as hate mongers onboth sides MAKE IT to look bad ....

Unless my sample is only urban and college related no body speaks offensively about each other (lke Pakistanis b.c they are isolate from no hindu society )
I hope you understand when you dont know some one you eitherconsider himevil alien as part of self preservation orbe riskfull adventurer and take chance of thinking that..if you think kindly of a personinthe ling run he will BECOME one...

So more alarming we are less trusting we endup unfortunately .........

For Better or Worse Idealy you can buld themagnificent sand castle of Bollywood sings ...Jhil Mil SitaronkaAnganHoga ....
Or Mahlonka raja mila Ke rani bete raaj kare

Or read AnnRynd ,the alien creature fromcold land of european russian region ..and only reason i never heard much UNLIKE pakistani women we dont folow we create our own heroine whom you are wekcome to follow ..And unlike Tehmina durrani and i suspect all pakistani muslimauthors arecoahed Co authored or Ghost WRITTEN!

Chitr,a Jhumpa ,Bharti ,Arundhati ,Geta Mehta ,Anita Desi ,Suderasan ,And may be others dont talk of feminist they talk of themselves ..in Benglish or Hinglish And while we take forcefully fromBritish with no intention of thanking them as thery did from us for 300 yrs.and call it OURS ...

There are more women needing men ..

Women who become independent are so few and late that they are not in the market of there socialgroup ...

But thechances of such soul beng klike theMillins of single or Single and divorced women is posible inU.S. b/c thee are large number of them .

If you want to leave Pakistani culture or home land culture completely but i know mant parents have left the El Dorado for things which you consider inconsequential .

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Then go to you Brahmin jati though they will also call you Kallu ``
Now dont be dumb and take that prsonally ..i am notclaiming to be fairer than you ...

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#16 by shankar on June 8, 2003 9:53am PT
superb writing; dost-mittarji...
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If you do want peace..go to Kashmir talk to the Rss And Hindutva ppl. No use fighting over AtuT Ang after al IT Is Atut to toote ga Kaise ....

Then go to you Brahmin jati though they will also call you Kallu ..they are Fair hindu you know just being Brahmin wont get you Dhar Raina Bhat or Kachru Kaul Chacko Punditayan ....

Its another thing they like Bengalis hindu or muslim

Just think if Indian Muslim or Kashmiris wanted to Go To Pakistan ticket for Agha Shahid Ali (late .poet Kasmiri Poet died recently )we could pay cheaper fares to Karach And Lahore than Delhi Calcutta .

And next time you bring dirty Afghani ill tell everything about Oriya Ojha ,Bhaiya Bhainwalla inMumbai and all those unpretty HERONE living in DRARAVI that are NOT aish ^ madhuri ...

But i nkow you are Konkini or somthing a sect i first met and had to come to usa to get introduced to ...Till then i had thaught all Hinduians of Mumbai wee Guju Maharshtrian,Pounjabi Bhaiya & lump all southy mainly ..

You havent seen al varieties of Muslim there are --evenbeing inMumbai bohra Memon khoja .....etc stil dont cover all

But you r almost Mahatrastrian so dont pretend you are sperate sect.

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#32 by sadna on June 8, 2003 1:54pm PT
PS: to hamidm2

``the market determines the price, not the idiot selling idli on the road-side ................ ``

Unfortunately, the market can be all hype and no intrinsic value- a bit like tech stocks :)
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I can almost bet he lost 30to 75 % of his Investment since 2000 and NOW.

If had heard to his mamas advice ``lalach bure bala hai ``

and not listened to McAuleFather .

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#36 by rsaxena on June 8, 2003 3:08pm PT
re: studebaker

{But i thaught Sadna was more happy without them ? So why do we need lothes to beproseperously happy ..... }

...mistaken identity: must be your wife and sister....i have pics of it to prove it....
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I give full consent to post them if you have !

Mopreover Sadna and me are friends ..so you buzz off !

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Dont yuou trell us that`` ALL southy are muslim indifferent let them live we better off than THEM ``Type

For e.G.


8 2003 : Moorthy Muthuswamy comments on India today (Dawn)
Dear Truthbetold:

You have said: “Now to ask some one on Sulekha to change their religion is preposterous and inconsiderate. You must restrain yourself in your effort to build support for your theories. “

First, I commend you for all the work you put in. You need to ask the question, what is the ultimate purpose behind of your effort. People such as yourself need to think or learn to think beyond just pointing out the problems and issues.

We are at a stage we know where the problem and issues are, it is squarely at the foot of Islam. One should seek to advance solutions.

Just as it is meaningful to ask a communist to dump his ideology and become a democrat, it is not only logical, but also necessary to ask Indian Muslims to become Hindus. Islam is an ideology, just like communism. It is an ideology that invokes GOD, but it is an essentially a non-performing one, much worse than communism. If you have not read what I have written before, let me tell you, I have consistently called for liberation of Indian Muslims.

By respecting an ideology like Islam, by putting it on pedestal, you are tying your hands, foot and mouth. A certain way to lose the war, your family, and the house.

Also, Islamic extremists attack us just because we are non-Muslims, hence it is everyone’s damn business to deal with Islam.

I am still within the parameters of decency and objectivity.

The issue is not about giving respect to a religious community that is hell bent on genocide of others. The issue is how to reform them. One certain way of reform is through liberation. If you get this big picture, may be, may be, you will think a bit more objectively.

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Land of the Pure Pankaj and you lie that thee is nO Hindu madarsah or Hindu Alkeida


Mere Bhartiyon yeh mahan iat ke nishane dekho
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You and many Indian Muslims and Pakis are missing out on a new dynamics taking shape among Hindus in particular.

Yes, most Hindus continue to be tolerant and secular (this includes RSS/VHP folks, even these folks are not extremists, had they been, they would have already become terrorists, - as of now there are no Hindu terrorist organizations in India), but they are sick of Islam and Muslims.

Many of these people have correctly identified Islam as fascist religion that is hell bent on exterminating them.

As someone who has been closely following the pulse of all Indians, I can tell you that there is no going back.

Hindus will work to defend themselves by all means, against genocidal enemy that is identified with Islam.

If you are a Muslim living in India, the best option is to convert to Hinduism and that way, move to the side of civilization. If you still believe in jihad, you could move to Pakistan or Bangladesh, the lands created specificaly for Islam in South asia.

It will increasingly come down to this: Either you are with us or you are not. Unfortunately, Muslims have put Hindus in this situation of either fight or have Hindu women, men and children shot simply because they are Hindus.

Jinhe Naaz hai Hind pe ..Kahan hauineKahan Hain Kahan Hain !!!

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NASH (Nasah)



``a body wrapped in decent clothes --``

But i thaught Sadna was more happy without them ? So why do we need lothes to beproseperously happy .....

or you mean the same as High thinking Simple living ?