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Columbia {{{{world, for many millenia, did not think it logical that anything but earth should be the center of universe. After all, this is where all the action was, so it was felt. We know better now}}}}


Naseer ahmed, earth is certainely a center piece of this universe owing to form of life which originated due to presence of oxygen n water, the basic ingredients for a life to start.

Why do you think God could not populate humans on other planets?

It was the very absence of the above mixture of vital nature for nurturing of body cells.

{{{If you read books of spiritual masters (i have read some of them), they talk not from the point of view of logic but from a direct experience of God}}}

Why would you not (at the same time) read some athiesim books ?

What is holding you up ?
Are you a devout muslim ?
But so what, if you have rational thinking, which is almost extinct among muslims, due to their obscure islamic dogma of 1400 years.
Try atheism.

The Not So Rational Beings {{{Had a 3 day holiday came back on monday. Monday blues. Just looking to needle someone. Keshto provides an easy outlet! }}}


Needle in to the outlet!

easy way to meet those 72 houris LOLLLLL

Ya aliiii madad.....

Snakes And Ladders {{{ #105 by rozaiba on January 23, 2003 6:16am PT
ras,

these registration procedures a confused attempt to face threats. }}}


They marely want to regulate muslims who are becoming terrorists of world repute.

nothing wrong that i see.

This trend would be followed in other european countries as well time permit.

islamic nuisance is unbearable 2 non muslims.

Snakes And Ladders {{{{#98 by ali87 on January 22, 2003 10:01am PT
#95 by AmericanExpress on January 21, 2003 6:03pm PT

Funny thing is Indian Ummah is ok for most Hindus but not Islamic Ummah It freezes them with fear(or so we are led to belive.) }}}


Keep your perceptions intact within your cerebral compartment without hallucinating.

ITS NOT OKEY 4 HINDUS 2 ACCEPT INDIAN UMMAH.

Its a big kachra.

We need the implemention of tough laws to round up every frivlous muslim from shahi imam bhekhari to asghar ali.

This is how u learn buddy.

The Not So Rational Beings {{{{#27 by Naqshbandi on January 26, 2003 4:06pm PT
keshto,

it was your abuse of the Beloved Prophet (sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam) that I was referring to not the fact that there are hadiths which prohibit music. }}}}



I do not insult people nor do I taunt their beliefs. I am after facts and the truth. If I say something that I believe is true and you are offended, it is not my fault. If I steal and you go around saying that I am a thief, you are not insulting me. You are simply telling the truth and it is your duty to warn others who may otherwise become my victims. If my kids are offended by that it is because they love me so much that they cannot face the truth. What they have to do is to prove my innocence or accept the fact that their beloved father was not a perfect man. But if they retort by calling you names then they are insulting you.

What I say about the Prophet are not insults but the truth.

The only words I know for a person who massacres his prisoners of war indiscriminately is a criminal and a mass murderer.

The only word I know for someone who at the age of 53 becomes aroused by a 9-year-old child is pedophile.

The only word I know that describes a person who raids merchant caravans and steals their goods is highway robber.

The only words that I know for someone who captures human beings and sells them or asks for ransom to release them is a slave merchant and a terrorist.

The only word that I know for someone who forces himself on a captured woman in the same day that he kills her father, husband and many of her relatives is a rapist.

The only word that I know that describes a person who sends his men to kill his opponents in the middle of the night traitorously is an assassin.


If you think these are offensive words please suggest other words that are less offensive. I promise to use them instead. But if Muslims are offended for they believe what I say is false then they have to prove it to me that these stories are all baseless.

The Not So Rational Beings {{{{#25 by Naqshbandi on January 25, 2003 7:42pm PT
keshto you should watch your tongue...if you said that in front of me i swear i would beat the crap out of you... }}}}


That is the root cause of all you muslim blind faith peoples who can not reason out the facts n de-facts.

You dont trust your own hadeeths/suna??

The Not So Rational Beings Yes music is banned under islam, thanks to itd lousy iliterate profesional prophet who declared this.



http://63.194.130.82/cgi-bin/show_article.cgi?aid=00001605&channel=university ave&start=0&end=9&chapter=1&page=1

Read on....

Its your hadeeths.

All The Bridges Are Burning

{{{#25 by ali87 on January 23, 2003 10:42am PT}}}

{{{Your contention is that if the majority decides to eliminates a minority it is ok as long it is done democraticaly? }}}

Talking about pakistan who systemetically eliminated kafar minority?
Right you are.

{{{Much like how most of germans stood behind Hitler while he extrimnated jews. }}}

Or yahya khan who killed 2.5 million bengalis?
Or saudis who sent muslim hijackers to do sep-11?
Or sadam who used mustard gas on its own people?
Or 2000 goatee beard muslims who came to burn the sabarmati train?
Choice is yours.


{{{A hindu will always talk of loyalty in terms of places or Idols. Loyality for mecca means what? loyalty for any regime in mecca? or loyalty to the Quran? }}}

Ask yourself, your name is arabic to begin with.

{{{At one time gandhi suppourted the world wide khilafat movement. You supposse that he too had his loyalties with mecca. }}}

gandhi was a traitor, hence he was silenced with five bullets, and not one, the intelligent man nathuram godse made sure he would not survive.

{{{My contention is that there are rabble rousers and faciscits and I want to identify those who belong to that group on this board. }}}

A futile attempt I must say....

The Not So Rational Beings
{{{ #8 by tahmed32 on January 23, 2003 7:47pm PT}}}

{{{``On the Green Side, the Great Idiot Khansahib!!. On the Safron Side, the Famous Half-Brain keshto!``
Let the games begin!! }}}


With above comments, you are very much in this game egghead.


Few more such responses from you and we shall declare you brain dead.

The Not So Rational Beings Khanshib:

{{{Muslims are the noble people of this planet. Of those only the Wahabis are the true Muslims who can teach the way of Islam. All Muslim people should follow the Wahabi culture.}}}


The likes of 19 hijackers a la sep-11???

Or the following:

Iran, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia’s political and social fallacies.

The Taliban`s destruction of Bhuddist antiquities.

The forcible conversion of helpless Christians in Indonesia.

The genocide being perpetrated in Sudan by the Islamists in Khartoum.

The unwillingness of the Saudi authorities to allow women to drive.

The sectarian violence in Pakistan between Sunni and Shiite.

Having sex with slave girls in Saudi Arabi.

The decapitations of the inhabitants of entire villages by jihadists in Algeria .

Acts of terror committed frequently around the world in the name of Islam.

WAHBI WAH.

All The Bridges Are Burning
{{{22 by ali87 on January 16, 2003 4:38pm PT}}}

{{{Jerk where did democracy come up in the argument? You mean that terrorism is ok if it is done by a elected govt or inspite of it? }}}


Why not, when you utter the following:

>>>>>Or on how most of the gujrats polity heartily agreed with modi in his gujrat progrom and re-elected him.<<<<<

People under democracy can elect any leader they deem fit.

I am amzed at your islamic bias.

You never admitted that they also elected laloo prasad yadav, But you choose to talk about modi conveneintly.

Thats why I always say, indian muslims are muslims first, indian later. There loyality is towards mecca n not new delhi.

Another Visit to Pakistan {{{#28 by shammi on January 17, 2003 2:11pm PT}}}

Some pakistanis are respectfull of the military, cause most of the pakistanis are india/hindu haters, and naturally the mili comes handy to them, which(mili) they think representes well with regards to kashmir imbroglio.

There could be very few who would fear military, because the fauj is not harrasing day to day peoples who fend for themselves on daily bread.

Another Visit to Pakistan
{{{#26 by AAmir on January 17, 2003 7:03am PT}}}}



{{Good now stick to Indian law & dont become Arabic Scholar of Islamic theology without credentials.Atleast you are Indian .}}}


I fail 2 understand yr logic here.

Are not grand musftis/imams/moulivis/mullahs present in india?

Besides, why do you think that the mercedez benz can only be diagnosed/repaired by germans alone??

Your views r lopsided n biased in favour of kuran without any rational justifications.

Another Visit to Pakistan COURT MARSHAL:


{{{[For example, when the Gujrat riots were going on, if an Indian Army General had disobyed orders from politicians, and protected the public, he would be subject to court martial. But I would support such actions.] }}}}

According to indian laws, A state has a *say* whether or not to summon for a military, central ministry can not force their decision on states on such matters.

You seem 2 have some lopsided veiws about indians 4 nothing.

Menu of the day:

PORK CHOPS.

digest them without heart burn;))

Another Visit to Pakistan
{{{ #20 by ali87 on January 16, 2003 4:38pm PT}}}






{{{However Islam has no positon on fedualism. Ie how to treat the wealth/land cornered by a few into their hands.}}}

I thought kuran n hadiths are the ultimate source, the ultimate combo of the two allah(kuran) and mohammed(hadith) to guide the mankind to ultimate pleasure in haven with houris and gilmans.
Mr mohammed ali.

Taliking about position on islam.

Virtually there is no position under islam.

Islam may have its own position among 1.2 billion blind adherents, but in turn these 1.2 billion adherents have no position under islam becuase they have devoted themselves to submission(islam means submission)

Islam is a most hypocrite religion.

Among many hypocricies, the prime hypocricy is that of its founder marrying more than four wives, and the rest are doomed only to 4.
Islam prohibits alcohl, but you get wine in paradise, LOLLLL.
Saudis, the gaurdian of mecca n medina, the champions of islam, is a *feudal monarchy*itself.

What more do you want???

Democracy is not compatible with islam, which beleives in sharia laws based on kuran n hadiths, hence there can not be a separation of church n state, so there is a quagmire there with no solutions.

I blame the messenger, who deviced this religion, had his lustfull life, apssed away, and left muslims to peril.

OHHhh myyy.

Apostle of piece, a leg piece.

USA and Muslims

{{#188 by AmericanExpress on January 16, 2003 3:42pm PT}}}


{{{Kaba or Praying facing Mecca DOES NEVER IMPLY IDOLATORY b/c No muslim consider Mecca or KABA GOD dunce .!!!!!!!!}}}

Tell it to other non muslims and see the reaction.

Kaba is supposed to contain prophets residue, and prophet and allah are hand in hand if you look at islam.

Islam is nothing without mohammed.

And allah has declared mohammed to be his deputy (apostle of peace/messanger)
Hence kaba is the most sacred place.
Is that why you people end up there and pray, your ultimate destination??

Your crafty interpretaion to keep a lid on islamic hypocricy is well understood here.