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USA and Muslims corrections to my own post # 186:

IDOL means a for or appearance visible without substance.

should read as following:

IDOL means a form or appearance visible without substance.

Dang we need edit button here.

USA and Muslims {{{#172 by ali87 on January 15, 2003 5:15pm PT }}}}



{{{{{Mulsims kiss black cube no Idolatary there. }}}}


It is not that easy to get away from the situation like this by your bunkum remarks.

IDOL means a for or appearance visible without substance.

An object of extreme devotion.

And thats where this black cube of stone (kaba) fits in.

You people kiss it, run around it chanting allahu akbar, by looking at it muslims rais their both hands in a manner of ibadat and pray .

You may fool others but me.

You can also say golden gate is made of a cardboard, do I care.

USA and Muslims AMEX:

{{{3/no idolatory}}}

What is kissing the black cube (kaba) ?
Why run around it in frenzy chanting allahu akbar and get killed(stampede) in the process?

Do you know every year apx 200 older people die of stampede in mecca??

Some Burning Questions


{{{#76 by arjun_m on January 15, 2003 8:36am PT}}}
{{{The BJP government could be out of delhi in the next elections.}}}

Are you trying to placate pakistanis here on the above remarks of yrs, or you have got extra sensory perceptions/clairvoyance to come to such a quick conclusion about khichidi politics of india??

Papa, BJP is here to stay, its undoable, numbers (parliament)notwithstanding.

Even in coalition, it would get what it wants through RSS/VHP/BD/SS.

Delhi`s street would be bloody, Parliament would be stalled if anyone tried to put them down.

You will need 2 bookmark this post of mine 4 future reference.

USA and Muslims {{{155 by Romair on January 14, 2003 7:35pm PT
PM #130: Let me ask you the questin again: }}}


Hey hey.

Pakistan was the ally of US during desert storm.

So iraqi lives were cheaper then, and now expensive?

whats yr fuzzy logic here??

Pakistan bombed iraq with allies during desert storm, LOLL.

shall i say QED if u did not have couple of beers???

LOLLLL

USA and Muslims {{{{{#147 by no_more_a_slave on January 14, 2003 12:35pm PT
faisaluno # 137

What must be done to reconcile Islam with modernity? Can Islam be changed? }}}}


INNOVATION (BIDAH) IS A TABOO IN ISLAM.

here v go:

Linguistically bid`ah (innovation) means `a newly invented matter`. The Sharee`ah definition of bid`ah is: ``A newly invented way [beliefs or action] in the religion, in imitation of the Sharee`ah (prescribed Law), by which nearness to Allaah is sought, [but] not being supported by any authentic proof - neither in its foundations, nor in the manner in which it is performed.`` Al-I`tisaam of ash-Shaatibee (1/37).

The Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam) said: ``Every innovation is misguidance and going astray`` Reported by Abu Daawood (no. 4607), at-Tirmidhee (no. 2676) and it is saheeh. Ibn Hajr authenticated it Takhreej Ahaadeeth Ibn ul-Haajib (1/137).

And he (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam) also said: ``… and every innovation is misguidance and all misguidance is in the Hellfire.`` Reported by an-Nasaa`ee (1/224) from Jaabir bin Abdullaah and it is saheeh as declared by Shaikh ul-Islaam Ibn Taymiyyah in Majmoo` ul-Fataawaa (3/58).

Some Burning Questions RSS ridhar:

{{{Think over this, you moron. How many wives did Lord Krishna have.? The number runs into thousands though 2 wives are popularly known (Satyabhama and Rukmini; there is a third, Shaibya). }}}


You would have to corroborate your own lies, cause the last time I read gita(as our president APJ Kalam who does that every morning), I did not find all this.

Mr, atte main namak milao, namak main atta nahi.

Tumhe tau jhuth bolna bhi nahi atta.

Did he have any slaves a la prophet?
Did he kill a single soul a la prophet?
Did he rape women a la prophet
Did he keep women n children as prisnors a la prophet
Did he loot n plunder caravans, a la prophet.

The question arises here again is how can a rational muslim revere this kind of deadly prophet???

Some Burning Questions RSS ridar:


{{{Soon, it will lose its halo. Hopefully, we will see a popular support in favor of Army going back to barracks. Any party which can ride on a popular wave and accomplish thing will be the surest bet for a better Pakistan, a Pakistan with which India can at last co-exist peacefully. }}}

Who r u fooling here with these obtuse rantings??

Building castles in the air??

Have you checked the ckeckered history of 55 years of pakistan with maginifying glass??

I know that you are a indian muslim, who wants to sympathise with his pakistani brothers, but it does not mean that you go gibberish in the process.

Think 3D a la keshto.

All The Bridges Are Burning ALI678:


{{{arjun try dwelling on the Indian suppourt to LTTE, The training camps in Tamil Nadu, The complicity of the govt (including the central govt) in Gujrat directly or defending the prepeutators. Or on how most of the gujrats polity heartily agreed with modi in his gujrat progrom and re-elected him.}}}}


To begin with there are no training camps in tamilnadu.

And in democracy, people can choose whomsoever they like, be it gujurat or chennai, UNLIKE pakistan where absence of democracy is not even a minor concern, you (pakistani)people are used to military danda, no wonder LOLL.

Some Burning Questions {{#52 by rsridhar on January 14, 2003 9:07am PT}}}


{{Its greatness lies in its simplicity}}}

Is it?

When you are born, u r circumscised.
You are required to eat with right hand.
You are not supposed to defecate faccing mecca.
You have to be burried facing mecca.
During praying under the mosque, you are not required to pass the wind.
Music banned in islam.
women under burqas.
Only halal food.
No champagn.
No pork.
No mayonise(makdu)
Five times praying.
women under the veil.
camel urine drinkable according to pro mo.
Muslim life is governed from cradle 2 grave by islam.
VELY SIMPLE ANNA.


Islam is a prison with no way out. Once a person enters that prison, he cannot leave it alive.

``Then what is the matter with you that you are divided into two parties about the apostates? Allah has cast them back (to disbelief) because of what they have earned. Do you want to guide him whom Allah has made to go astray? And he whom Allah has made to go astray, you will never find for him any way (of guidance). They wish that you reject Faith, as they have rejected (Faith), and thus that you all become equal (like one another). So take not Aouliya (protectors or friends) from them, till They emigrate in the Way of Allah (to Muhammad) But if they turn back (from Islam), take (hold of) them and kill them wherever you find them, and take neither Aouliya (protectors or friends) nor helpers from them`` (Surat An-Nisa 4:88,89).

THATS THE ONLY RELIGION WHICH PERMITS INTELLECTUAL CENSORSHIP.

live with it or leave it.

Some Burning Questions TAHMED:


{{{that a large segment of the Indian ``educated`` society bears a strong resentment towards Pakistan and Pakistanis. I think it will take a few generations before we can expect such hatreds and complexes to die out and before the forces of reason and common sense prevail in India. }}}

Change your mind on this:

First look at your agressive soceity aka pakistan dominated by islamic hatred towards kafars (hindus sikhs jews) which are getting basic ingredients from 40,000 madarsas who teach but kuran n hadiths day in day out, so what can be expected of these madarsa churned jehadis.

Last time I visited karachi, I saw many green chadars on the floor people begging money for KASHMIR, India does not have such rubbish.

In india we have urdu flying high, while hindi is a taboo in pakistan.
Word allah/khuda is used many times all over in bollywood, but bhagwan is a taboo in pakistan.

Gul hameed is on the record saying, ``even if kashmir issue is solved, we will go 4 junaghad n hyderabad``.

The blame once again goes to muslims and the teachings of kuran which falsely, yet truely(in the book) tells its adherents that muslims are the best people on earth:

[Al-Imran 3:110] Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in God. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors.

Thats where the problem lies my freind.

Its time for pakistanis to introspect.

USA and Muslims Breaking News from NewsMax.com


A newly declassified CIA report warns that China abets terrorist nations --despite its agreements with the United States.

For example, the CIA says China gave the United States assurances that it would not help Iran -- a terrorist state -- build nuclear weapons. But the CIA has evidence that China is, in fact, helping Iran build a uranium conversion facility (UCF) and other nuclear projects.

Additionally, China has continued to proliferate weapons of mass destruction to other terrorist states.

Clearly, China is operating a ``Two Faces`` strategy with the U.S. One face plays our friend, seeking business, trade and technology transfers. Another face secretly prepares for a war against America, and aids our enemies.

This revelation comes as no surprise to readers of NewsMax, which has published ``Unrestricted Warfare: China`s Master Plan to Destroy America.`` 

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India would be courted from now on by US full throatle to act as a counter weight to dragon which might breath fire on US interests.

All The Bridges Are Burning KESHTO HAD ALREADY SAID(predicted) THEY(US-UK) WANT SADAM OUT TO PROVE THEIR MANHOOD, THEY DONT WANT WAR.


http://69.1.76.193/cgi-bin/forum?13@104.YWuoa8kYvI5.1638564@.2e6c1d55/10999


13 January 2003: There is just a possibility that the Iraq war may be averted if Saddam Hussain agrees to step down and resettle in another country, but so far he has said no, saying to Arab intermediaries with the United States that “A king cannot be a refugee in another land.”

But even if a war were to occur, it will not be before the Haj between 8-13 February when the Middle East is full of pilgrims, and diplomats say it could take place in end-February, or never.

The United States has moved back from its earlier belligerent posture against Iraq with defence secretary Donald H.Rumsfeld saying to reporters last week that the war was not “inevitable”.

But the US insists that Saddam quit the country “for a period” which Arab intermediaries like Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak and Jordan King Hussain and Saddam’s friends like Libya’s Colonel Muammar Gaddafi and Arab League chairman Amir Mussa have not been able to convince him to do.

The US rejected the brokerage of Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah who said in private talks that an Iraq war would destablise the Middle East and lead to fresh terrorist attacks against America, with US officials retorting that America had faced the worst on 11 September.

“Saddam Hussain has said in his communication that Iraq is not Palestine but a civilisation which cannot be destroyed with the death of a few hundred Iraqis,” a diplomat said, but analysts say this is bluster and Saddam could eventually bow out under Arab pressure.

Question Authority {{{Every single day my teachers remind me how lucky I am to be studying in one of the most elite business colleges of the city and how lucky I am that I can afford their fees comfortably (which are the highest in Karachi for Inter Commerce). }}}

SABA ALI:


Did u ever know that Biology, at the University of Pakistan, evolution has been disproven, and biology has been turned upside down on its head thanks to a combined effort of the brilliant Muslim scholars at the University of Pakistan and Haqqania madrasa.

They cooked the sceintific books to prove allah right, and sceince wrong.

http://ummah.net.pk/dajjal/index3.html

where will your pakistan end up man with 40,000 madarsas???

jiye sind.

All The Bridges Are Burning NASA:

{{``ENERGY AID`` for North Korea -- ``ENERGY RAID`` for Iraq -- bravo }}}


USA is a most coward nation on this earth.

The more affluent you are, the most highest security u need to survive in order to splurg the wealth.

a Pauper dies without any strings attached because he has nothing to loose.

The top brass of korea del norte me kim II is a 78 year old unpredictable man(just two three months older than bajpai).

He has nothing 2 loose, he has sacrificed 2 million of his citizens who died of hunger (since 1997)and the prediction for 2007 is 5 million more, such is a impoverish state of korea.

But the possesions of nukes with unpredictable harsh man could lead to disaster, who (US) has only taken smaller states head on viz,. panama, grenada, haiti, somalia, veitnam, kosovo, bosania. Which was just a walkover, or assaul you may call, because they were all 3rd world countries.

US can not afford to put 100,000 of its troops (japan n south korea)under mushroom clouds.

There government would change in a blink, bye bye bush, if we remember what happened in somalia, where 15 american GIs were draged live on US TV/c span.

Congress started a quick session and started a deliberation as to when call back the troops back home.

Such is a position of USA.

NOW.
look at indian nukes which has made positive effects on US, and they have changed the tune vis a vis indians whom they now think are force to reckon with.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/2646979.stm

QOUTE:


My last stop was to drop by and see the American ambassador, Robert Blackwill, a George W Bush confidant and Harvard academic.

There was a marked change of tone from a few years ago. ``We think it is in America`s interests for India to become a great global power,`` he said. ``This is a great democracy. It has our values. Our long-term relationship with India is very stabilising for Asia.``

What more need be said?

The US has decided it likes India with nuclear muscle.

JHUKTI HAI DUNIYA - JHUKANE WALA CHAHIYE.

Some Burning Questions {{{#24 by tahmed32 on January 13, 2003 3:33am PT
keshto #17 I think Ansari`s response to your post is right on. I too have read the Quran, and the message it conveys is the complete opposite of what you are trying to portray.}}}

One more aplogetic muslim?

You are one of the many muslims who have sheep mentality, that is, when one sheep jumps n leaves, rest follow, thinking there must be some reason why the other sheep left in a jiffy.

You muslims also think, islam must be right religion because 1.2 billion adherents can not be wrong.

However you fail to scrutinise kuran, which is a hoax, when read with critical/analytical mind.

Dont worry about the past bloodshed by islamic warriors to spread islam to its presence magnitude.

But think n brood.

How you revere a prophet, who was a killer/pedophile/polygamist/warrior/slave merchant, WHERE ARE THE VALUES OF MUSLIMS, WHERE ARE THEIR INTELLECT?

No wonder 1.2 billion muslims did not merit a single noble prize in sceince n tech, the last I heard was professor abdus salam who was declared non muslim by pakistan, WHAT A SHAME.