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#57 by ali87 on May 29, 2003 5:55am PT
While many pakistanis and indians on this board continue with their slavish theories things are happening in India.
plz ...explain how that makes MIT less !!!
Posted by
Paigham
May 29, 2003 11:28 am
#57 by ali87 on May 29, 2003 5:55am PT
While many pakistanis and indians on this board continue with their slavish theories things are happening in India.
plz ...explain how that makes MIT less !!!
Qualitative Education
#58 by ali87 on May 29, 2003 5:55am PT
intresting article
http://www.milligazette.com/Archives/01122002/0112200267.htm
If you thim it is new or significantly promising can you say WHY ?
Islamists have come and gone from India ..Muslimleague Pml..Ipml...
Khomeini ..Taleban .etc.etc.Those that dont go furthar than that can remain morocco ,Algeria ,Tunisia .Libya .Brunei ,Malta,Kosovo ,and just like Tumble weed will always be in the world ....
Posted by
Paigham
May 29, 2003 11:28 am
#58 by ali87 on May 29, 2003 5:55am PT
intresting article
http://www.milligazette.com/Archives/01122002/0112200267.htm
If you thim it is new or significantly promising can you say WHY ?
Islamists have come and gone from India ..Muslimleague Pml..Ipml...
Khomeini ..Taleban .etc.etc.Those that dont go furthar than that can remain morocco ,Algeria ,Tunisia .Libya .Brunei ,Malta,Kosovo ,and just like Tumble weed will always be in the world ....
Women in Religious Scriptures
#145
You guys show so much hatred for India`s indegenous religion..you have rebuked and insulted your own roots..own gods...you won`t find peace..what you did to India and its relgion will one day come back to you...wait and see``
If indian or hindu of India accept the fact that 335% of its population are Muslims(undivided) and move on ..
Spai was Muslim so was parts of vienna and Austraia ,,but may be it would have been nice that it remained so but history is dynamic and we see only he oeriod god has privileged to be born in..May be if you wwere born during Rams Rajya you would be much happier but wise philosophe would not be dpressed by that b/c it hurts you onlyn..AS TO MY PART I AM WILLING TO INCLUDE YOU AS MY ANCESTEROL RELATED IF YOU MAY SO DESIRE AND FIND HELPFULL..
Posted by
Paigham
May 29, 2003 05:55 am
#145
You guys show so much hatred for India`s indegenous religion..you have rebuked and insulted your own roots..own gods...you won`t find peace..what you did to India and its relgion will one day come back to you...wait and see``
If indian or hindu of India accept the fact that 335% of its population are Muslims(undivided) and move on ..
Spai was Muslim so was parts of vienna and Austraia ,,but may be it would have been nice that it remained so but history is dynamic and we see only he oeriod god has privileged to be born in..May be if you wwere born during Rams Rajya you would be much happier but wise philosophe would not be dpressed by that b/c it hurts you onlyn..AS TO MY PART I AM WILLING TO INCLUDE YOU AS MY ANCESTEROL RELATED IF YOU MAY SO DESIRE AND FIND HELPFULL..
Women in Religious Scriptures
#145
You guys show so much hatred for India`s indegenous religion..you have rebuked and insulted your own roots..own gods...you won`t find peace..what you did to India and its relgion will one day come back to you...wait and see``
Souza
If indian or hindu of India accept the fact that 33% of its population are Muslims(undivided) and move on ..
SpaiN was Muslim so was parts of vienna and Austraia ,,but may be it would have been nice that it remained so but history is dynamic and we see only The period God has privileged to be born in..May be if you were born during Rams Rajya you would been much happier but wise philosopher would not be depressed by that b/c it hurts you only..AS TO MY PART I AM WILLING TO INCLUDE YOU AS MY ANCESTEROL RELATED IF YOU MAY SO DESIRE AND FIND HELPFULL..
Posted by
Paigham
May 29, 2003 05:55 am
#145
You guys show so much hatred for India`s indegenous religion..you have rebuked and insulted your own roots..own gods...you won`t find peace..what you did to India and its relgion will one day come back to you...wait and see``
Souza
If indian or hindu of India accept the fact that 33% of its population are Muslims(undivided) and move on ..
SpaiN was Muslim so was parts of vienna and Austraia ,,but may be it would have been nice that it remained so but history is dynamic and we see only The period God has privileged to be born in..May be if you were born during Rams Rajya you would been much happier but wise philosopher would not be depressed by that b/c it hurts you only..AS TO MY PART I AM WILLING TO INCLUDE YOU AS MY ANCESTEROL RELATED IF YOU MAY SO DESIRE AND FIND HELPFULL..
How to kill your Wife (Unedited)
#18
``beautiful women in succession ``
I nevr saw any other 5 specimens bro
but you And Mustafa dont have eye for beuty ...
Tehmina (durrani )the small cat face billi ..beuty ?
Anything that reflects light isnt beuty ....
Give me Break !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by
Paigham
May 27, 2003 07:20 pm
#18
``beautiful women in succession ``
I nevr saw any other 5 specimens bro
but you And Mustafa dont have eye for beuty ...
Tehmina (durrani )the small cat face billi ..beuty ?
Anything that reflects light isnt beuty ....
Give me Break !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Terror in Okara
New Killing Fields
=============
The number of police personnel killed by Naxals in the new states of Jharkhand and Chhattisgarh is even higher than those killed in Jammu and Kashmir. Left-wing extremism is proving to be a serious challenge, accepted last month’s parliamentary standing committee report, even as killings increase in Andhra, Bihar, Maharashtra and other states. Ajit Kumar Jha reports on the triggers for the newer patterns of Naxalite militancy
On March 19, 1999 the cadres of the Maoist Communist Centre (MCC), an extremist left-wing outfit, slaughtered 35 upper caste landowners in the nondescript hamlet of Senari in Central Bihar’s Jehanabad district. Routinely reporting political killings in Bihar for a while, I was no stranger to carnages. However, my trip to Senari, soon after the mayhem left my stomach churning. The barbarity of the killing was indescribable, the methods used brutal, the tragedy heart-wrenching.
An old man, who had helplessly witnessed 14 members of his family — all younger than him — murdered had this story to relate: ‘‘The killers were hired butchers from Palamau (district in Jharkhand) who practise slaughter of animals every day. While the cadres would hold the victim from behind, the butchers would slit the throat with a scythe, just as they sacrifice goats during offerings. Yet, even the professional butchers were overwhelmed with the number of throats they had to slit. One of the assassins who killed most of my family members confessed to a colleague: ‘I know we have to kill one hundred people, but I am so disgusted with slitting human throats that I need to throw up first.’ That is how I was freed, the killer tired of butchering, told me ‘Just run away old man, your time has not yet come’.’’
Each person that I met that afternoon in Senari had an equally tragic story to tell. I next came across a 20-year-old woman who had turned dumb out of grief. She had lost her second husband in the assassination; her first husband (the elder brother of the second) was killed a few months ago. Her in-laws, who had lost both their sons in less than a year, narrated the gory tale of the killing even as they contemplated the misery that awaited their twice-widowed daughter-in-law. All the while she listened attentively without even batting an eyelid. Her silence sounded ominous and told the tale of the doom more loudly and graphically than the numerous other grotesque stories I heard that day.
Changing contours of Naxalism
Recounting the stories today is instructive since it describes the inhuman depths to which the phenomena, loosely described as the Naxalite movement, has meanwhile sunk. Dreamt and conceptualised in the late 1960s in north Bengal as ‘‘a liberation struggle, a new democratic revolution to attain freedom for the poor and downtrodden’’, the original movement has transformed beyond recognition, as have the ideology, the strategies, and the social support base.
Even during the Charu Mazumdar-led adventurist phase (1969-75), when ‘‘class annihilation’’ was practiced as an official strategy against ‘‘landlords and the compradore bourgeoisie,’’ the violent ‘‘professional revolutionaries’’ would never have hired butchers from Palamau to carry out the assassinations. Today, the two units outlawed under POTA — the MCC and the PWG — are little more than extremist gangs bordering on criminality. They make a living either out of assassinations or by abducting officials and claiming ransom. The original CPI(ML) has broken up into several groups and factions, most of them eschewing the Charu strategy in favour of mass-based agitational politics, including contesting elections. However, they have been relegated to the margins, while it is the MCC and the PWG that dominate the centrestage of left wing extremism.
According to one official estimate, between 1976 and 2002, Bihar alone witnessed approximately 100 carnages and thousands of deaths. Most of the killings were carried out either by various Naxalite outfits or by senas, private armies of landowners. The average number of killings per year runs into several hundreds in Andhra Pradesh. In the last three years since some new states have been formed, 130 police personnel have been killed in Jharkhand, 45 in Chhattisgarh.
A report of the Parliamentary Standing Committee on home affairs tabled in Parliament recently admits: ‘‘In 2002, a sudden spurt has been witnessed in the level of violence by left wing extremists. During the year, 1465 incidents of violence have been reported as against 1208 incidents in 2001.’’ The report argues that left wing extremism has spread to newer areas ‘‘such as North Chhattisgarh, western districts of West Bengal, parts of north Bihar, eastern UP and eastern and southern Jharkhand. In all, 53 districts in nine states of the country are under the sway of this movement.’’
In fact, the hub of the new Naxalite map of India is the thickly forested Dandakaranya region, which also includes the Vidarbha region of Maharashtra, parts of Madhya Pradesh and Orissa.
Other than the shifting geographical contours, the movement has changed a great deal in terms of ideology and its social base. The procrustean framework of class analysis has been rejected and replaced by caste analysis greatly dependent on regional variations. Both in highly literate Kerala as well in least literate Bihar, the movement is searching for a new social base among Dalits, tribals and backward castes. In Andhra, the new PWG chief Ganapathy is a Dalit. The main reason for such a shift are twofold: first, the increasing identity politics in north India around castes and communities; second, the inability of Naxalism to attract the new generation of career-oriented students. Therefore, the new forms of Naxalism have stooped down to recruiting butchers for its killing fields.
What has not changed
ARGUABLY, Naxalism has spread to newer areas and found a base among newer constituents but what continues to remain the same is the strong correlation between concentrations of left wing extremism and poverty zones. It is precisely in the weak governance states that the movement is gaining ground. It is perhaps the knowledge of this essential link that forced the Ministry of Home Affairs to send a proposal to the Planning Commission for the inclusion of the 53 affected districts in its new scheme of ‘Backward District Initiative’. However, the standing committee report admits that the ‘‘strategy does not seem to be yielding results... and the bottom line is that the problem is gradually spiralling’’. Reason says the report: do not treat it purely as a law and order issue, strike at its socio-economic roots.
Clearly, policing alone, and arresting innocents under POTA will not solve the problem. The Andhra government had last year begun engaging the extremist groups in a dialogue. The Chhattisgarh government seems to have recently considered the plan to initiate dialogue with the left wing extremists as well. However, until and unless problems of weak governance are tackled, and social inequality addressed, left wing extremism will continue to (as it has in the last three decades), as the report points out ‘‘strike the right chord with the people.’’
MORE IN BLACK & WHITE STORIES‘We have to win trust to win against Naxalites’Free run in no-policy landMoney counts, not Mao or MarxMandal scores over MarxismMovement that divided Naxals
Posted by
Paigham
May 27, 2003 07:20 pm
What next therewill be bigger article from Sharmila Bose on the Naxalism’s New Killing Fields
=============
The number of police personnel killed by Naxals in the new states of Jharkhand and Chhattisgarh is even higher than those killed in Jammu and Kashmir. Left-wing extremism is proving to be a serious challenge, accepted last month’s parliamentary standing committee report, even as killings increase in Andhra, Bihar, Maharashtra and other states. Ajit Kumar Jha reports on the triggers for the newer patterns of Naxalite militancy
On March 19, 1999 the cadres of the Maoist Communist Centre (MCC), an extremist left-wing outfit, slaughtered 35 upper caste landowners in the nondescript hamlet of Senari in Central Bihar’s Jehanabad district. Routinely reporting political killings in Bihar for a while, I was no stranger to carnages. However, my trip to Senari, soon after the mayhem left my stomach churning. The barbarity of the killing was indescribable, the methods used brutal, the tragedy heart-wrenching.
An old man, who had helplessly witnessed 14 members of his family — all younger than him — murdered had this story to relate: ‘‘The killers were hired butchers from Palamau (district in Jharkhand) who practise slaughter of animals every day. While the cadres would hold the victim from behind, the butchers would slit the throat with a scythe, just as they sacrifice goats during offerings. Yet, even the professional butchers were overwhelmed with the number of throats they had to slit. One of the assassins who killed most of my family members confessed to a colleague: ‘I know we have to kill one hundred people, but I am so disgusted with slitting human throats that I need to throw up first.’ That is how I was freed, the killer tired of butchering, told me ‘Just run away old man, your time has not yet come’.’’
Each person that I met that afternoon in Senari had an equally tragic story to tell. I next came across a 20-year-old woman who had turned dumb out of grief. She had lost her second husband in the assassination; her first husband (the elder brother of the second) was killed a few months ago. Her in-laws, who had lost both their sons in less than a year, narrated the gory tale of the killing even as they contemplated the misery that awaited their twice-widowed daughter-in-law. All the while she listened attentively without even batting an eyelid. Her silence sounded ominous and told the tale of the doom more loudly and graphically than the numerous other grotesque stories I heard that day.
Changing contours of Naxalism
Recounting the stories today is instructive since it describes the inhuman depths to which the phenomena, loosely described as the Naxalite movement, has meanwhile sunk. Dreamt and conceptualised in the late 1960s in north Bengal as ‘‘a liberation struggle, a new democratic revolution to attain freedom for the poor and downtrodden’’, the original movement has transformed beyond recognition, as have the ideology, the strategies, and the social support base.
Even during the Charu Mazumdar-led adventurist phase (1969-75), when ‘‘class annihilation’’ was practiced as an official strategy against ‘‘landlords and the compradore bourgeoisie,’’ the violent ‘‘professional revolutionaries’’ would never have hired butchers from Palamau to carry out the assassinations. Today, the two units outlawed under POTA — the MCC and the PWG — are little more than extremist gangs bordering on criminality. They make a living either out of assassinations or by abducting officials and claiming ransom. The original CPI(ML) has broken up into several groups and factions, most of them eschewing the Charu strategy in favour of mass-based agitational politics, including contesting elections. However, they have been relegated to the margins, while it is the MCC and the PWG that dominate the centrestage of left wing extremism.
According to one official estimate, between 1976 and 2002, Bihar alone witnessed approximately 100 carnages and thousands of deaths. Most of the killings were carried out either by various Naxalite outfits or by senas, private armies of landowners. The average number of killings per year runs into several hundreds in Andhra Pradesh. In the last three years since some new states have been formed, 130 police personnel have been killed in Jharkhand, 45 in Chhattisgarh.
A report of the Parliamentary Standing Committee on home affairs tabled in Parliament recently admits: ‘‘In 2002, a sudden spurt has been witnessed in the level of violence by left wing extremists. During the year, 1465 incidents of violence have been reported as against 1208 incidents in 2001.’’ The report argues that left wing extremism has spread to newer areas ‘‘such as North Chhattisgarh, western districts of West Bengal, parts of north Bihar, eastern UP and eastern and southern Jharkhand. In all, 53 districts in nine states of the country are under the sway of this movement.’’
In fact, the hub of the new Naxalite map of India is the thickly forested Dandakaranya region, which also includes the Vidarbha region of Maharashtra, parts of Madhya Pradesh and Orissa.
Other than the shifting geographical contours, the movement has changed a great deal in terms of ideology and its social base. The procrustean framework of class analysis has been rejected and replaced by caste analysis greatly dependent on regional variations. Both in highly literate Kerala as well in least literate Bihar, the movement is searching for a new social base among Dalits, tribals and backward castes. In Andhra, the new PWG chief Ganapathy is a Dalit. The main reason for such a shift are twofold: first, the increasing identity politics in north India around castes and communities; second, the inability of Naxalism to attract the new generation of career-oriented students. Therefore, the new forms of Naxalism have stooped down to recruiting butchers for its killing fields.
What has not changed
ARGUABLY, Naxalism has spread to newer areas and found a base among newer constituents but what continues to remain the same is the strong correlation between concentrations of left wing extremism and poverty zones. It is precisely in the weak governance states that the movement is gaining ground. It is perhaps the knowledge of this essential link that forced the Ministry of Home Affairs to send a proposal to the Planning Commission for the inclusion of the 53 affected districts in its new scheme of ‘Backward District Initiative’. However, the standing committee report admits that the ‘‘strategy does not seem to be yielding results... and the bottom line is that the problem is gradually spiralling’’. Reason says the report: do not treat it purely as a law and order issue, strike at its socio-economic roots.
Clearly, policing alone, and arresting innocents under POTA will not solve the problem. The Andhra government had last year begun engaging the extremist groups in a dialogue. The Chhattisgarh government seems to have recently considered the plan to initiate dialogue with the left wing extremists as well. However, until and unless problems of weak governance are tackled, and social inequality addressed, left wing extremism will continue to (as it has in the last three decades), as the report points out ‘‘strike the right chord with the people.’’
MORE IN BLACK & WHITE STORIES‘We have to win trust to win against Naxalites’Free run in no-policy landMoney counts, not Mao or MarxMandal scores over MarxismMovement that divided Naxals
Terror in Okara
The deny ..complete non exisitence of Okra as fictitious old report of jew Daniel Pearl who acording to them was working on it.....to sabotage the muslim ummah ...
Okra exist ?....they say America automaticaly has terror witten as soon as P is type on the word
processor ????
Posted by
Paigham
May 27, 2003 07:20 pm
In A informal survey of 10 Lahorie families in usa....The deny ..complete non exisitence of Okra as fictitious old report of jew Daniel Pearl who acording to them was working on it.....to sabotage the muslim ummah ...
Okra exist ?....they say America automaticaly has terror witten as soon as P is type on the word
processor ????
Terror in Okara
They deny ..complete non exisitence of Okra as fictitious old report of jew Daniel Pearl who acording to them was working on it.....to sabotage the muslim ummah ...
Okra exist ?....they say America automatically has terror witten as soon as P is type on the word
processor ????
Posted by
Paigham
May 27, 2003 07:20 pm
In An informal survey of 10 Lahorie families in usa....They deny ..complete non exisitence of Okra as fictitious old report of jew Daniel Pearl who acording to them was working on it.....to sabotage the muslim ummah ...
Okra exist ?....they say America automatically has terror witten as soon as P is type on the word
processor ????
Shikwa/Lament
#8 by FarzanaVersey on May 24, 2003 7:50am PT
temporal:
``batao karaiN
tou kya karaiN?``
Yaar, karna yeh hai...
when you sail, you cannot take an anchor along...it defeats the purpose of sailing. And is navigating help non-existent (if it is not there, then you are already aware of its absence) or `non existential`...which would imply a state of non being? So, where do smoke-filled rooms fit in with open skies? Being and nothingness? And is the elusive peace doing the yearning or is the seeker yearning FOR that elusive peace?
....``Zeest se tung ho ae Daag tau jeetey kyon ho...jaan jaatee hai magar jaan se jaati bhi nahin...``
love,
F
WE cure that disease also here for a price !
Posted by
Paigham
May 24, 2003 01:54 pm
#8 by FarzanaVersey on May 24, 2003 7:50am PT
temporal:
``batao karaiN
tou kya karaiN?``
Yaar, karna yeh hai...
when you sail, you cannot take an anchor along...it defeats the purpose of sailing. And is navigating help non-existent (if it is not there, then you are already aware of its absence) or `non existential`...which would imply a state of non being? So, where do smoke-filled rooms fit in with open skies? Being and nothingness? And is the elusive peace doing the yearning or is the seeker yearning FOR that elusive peace?
....``Zeest se tung ho ae Daag tau jeetey kyon ho...jaan jaatee hai magar jaan se jaati bhi nahin...``
love,
F
WE cure that disease also here for a price !
The Beginning of the End of the Kashmir Problem
``I realize this will come as a shock to you but please try to spare us your obsession with caste and religion. ``
I guess thats the beuty of indian diapora.Not all indians look like Gandhi nor all Bengalis think like GujRatis ......
India is Europe with states that are 4 times the size of a major country Germany or France .......and still Not a continent .
How nmany things will you try to homogenise besides the `Religion of the Soil dictum`new in vention that even Hitler forgot to use !!!
Hitler could have done faster by saying since`` judeaism did not arise inGermany it was enough to disenfranchisement argument`` to do what he justified on doing by harder way of Dr.Klause .and other anthropologists ....
People who never seen there blood spilled twice within 25 years period in 47 and in 71 certainly have no comparision to any indian diaspora.
I pray life does not bring you to that even to an enemy .
Posted by
Paigham
May 23, 2003 11:13 pm
201``I realize this will come as a shock to you but please try to spare us your obsession with caste and religion. ``
I guess thats the beuty of indian diapora.Not all indians look like Gandhi nor all Bengalis think like GujRatis ......
India is Europe with states that are 4 times the size of a major country Germany or France .......and still Not a continent .
How nmany things will you try to homogenise besides the `Religion of the Soil dictum`new in vention that even Hitler forgot to use !!!
Hitler could have done faster by saying since`` judeaism did not arise inGermany it was enough to disenfranchisement argument`` to do what he justified on doing by harder way of Dr.Klause .and other anthropologists ....
People who never seen there blood spilled twice within 25 years period in 47 and in 71 certainly have no comparision to any indian diaspora.
I pray life does not bring you to that even to an enemy .
The Wheels of Time
#130 by sadna on May 23, 2003 3:42pm PT
I dont think urdu Hindi or Punjabi or any regional language is better than just like no ethnicity can claim it is better than other.English is the `econmic` language .Which every one understands .
For indian muslim it is not bread & butter nor survival issue .If you cant eat or breath who even think of SPEAKING ``there mind what it thinks ``
POunjabi language punjabiyat And cultural celebrationonly Punjabis can Afford for some reason.Little bit of agresiveness doesnt hurt ....but then if you have not done with killing in 47 and for muslims again 71 go ahead
I do not think neither Pakistani punjabi nor any one CREATED pakistan.
Ultimately it was our Master who listened to two foolish fellas and stood up
If you trying to convince me that you absolutely cannot avoid cutting each others throat without it (punjab /bengal riots ).Here is what i am going to do .......
Of course there was formal meeting with Jinnah & mt.Batten
Then with the Congress trio Azad , Patel & Nehru
( this is from pbs series wgbbh Boston over 7 episodes titled Lord Mt.Batten ..)
Mc Nichol was Batten ,I knew other actors name you can get from PBS.)
To cut it short ...IT WAS ONLY MT.BATTEN AND HIM ALONE sole architrecture of Partition.
Just neither anyone from iNdia can actually say they wrestled it from the British ,Nor Muslim or JINNAH `created` Pakistan.
Creation is done by god and then by British.
India signed so did Jinnah but just as you sign when doctor says this is the only life saving operation otherwise pt witll die ....Is it consent or informed consent or consent under dures ?????
You can argue endlessly about the shade and degree of each players secondary role which no doubt they all played in the history of India .
Countries are not made every day ...may ve every 100 or thousand yrs. in the past .
In future i dont think any sane person can change geography that easily .The presence of Israel in Palestine or Pakistan (bangla desh )and India ..so it may put some sense who think otherwise to be wise not fool hardy .
Fiormation of Bangladesh was attemt partially to undo that but as tyou can say they are three countries still.
Posted by
Paigham
May 23, 2003 07:17 pm
#130 by sadna on May 23, 2003 3:42pm PT
I dont think urdu Hindi or Punjabi or any regional language is better than just like no ethnicity can claim it is better than other.English is the `econmic` language .Which every one understands .
For indian muslim it is not bread & butter nor survival issue .If you cant eat or breath who even think of SPEAKING ``there mind what it thinks ``
POunjabi language punjabiyat And cultural celebrationonly Punjabis can Afford for some reason.Little bit of agresiveness doesnt hurt ....but then if you have not done with killing in 47 and for muslims again 71 go ahead
I do not think neither Pakistani punjabi nor any one CREATED pakistan.
Ultimately it was our Master who listened to two foolish fellas and stood up
If you trying to convince me that you absolutely cannot avoid cutting each others throat without it (punjab /bengal riots ).Here is what i am going to do .......
Of course there was formal meeting with Jinnah & mt.Batten
Then with the Congress trio Azad , Patel & Nehru
( this is from pbs series wgbbh Boston over 7 episodes titled Lord Mt.Batten ..)
Mc Nichol was Batten ,I knew other actors name you can get from PBS.)
To cut it short ...IT WAS ONLY MT.BATTEN AND HIM ALONE sole architrecture of Partition.
Just neither anyone from iNdia can actually say they wrestled it from the British ,Nor Muslim or JINNAH `created` Pakistan.
Creation is done by god and then by British.
India signed so did Jinnah but just as you sign when doctor says this is the only life saving operation otherwise pt witll die ....Is it consent or informed consent or consent under dures ?????
You can argue endlessly about the shade and degree of each players secondary role which no doubt they all played in the history of India .
Countries are not made every day ...may ve every 100 or thousand yrs. in the past .
In future i dont think any sane person can change geography that easily .The presence of Israel in Palestine or Pakistan (bangla desh )and India ..so it may put some sense who think otherwise to be wise not fool hardy .
Fiormation of Bangladesh was attemt partially to undo that but as tyou can say they are three countries still.
Women in Religious Scriptures
Sorry i did not mean you created ,it is created by feminist .....
Why Konca Kuris is relevant ?
The standard of idealism written in wests (though oxymoron for them itself)to say the least is devoid of reality of the local conditions world wide .
Its one thing to make laws ..another to be able to enforce it.
Posted by
Paigham
May 23, 2003 07:17 pm
#75Sorry i did not mean you created ,it is created by feminist .....
Why Konca Kuris is relevant ?
The standard of idealism written in wests (though oxymoron for them itself)to say the least is devoid of reality of the local conditions world wide .
Its one thing to make laws ..another to be able to enforce it.
Women in Religious Scriptures
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#67 by Honorable_Syed on May 22, 2003 10:25pm PT
Could you plz give your sample of any cell be it only remaing hair on your 20yr old Scalp or or the hair you claim is in Hazarat bal Kashmir ....
Na sambh lo ge to mitte jawo ge ..............
tumhare dastan taq na hoge dastanon maine ........
If any shia thinks he is descendent of any Caliph it appplies same .....
Posted by
Paigham
May 23, 2003 07:17 pm
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#67 by Honorable_Syed on May 22, 2003 10:25pm PT
Could you plz give your sample of any cell be it only remaing hair on your 20yr old Scalp or or the hair you claim is in Hazarat bal Kashmir ....
Na sambh lo ge to mitte jawo ge ..............
tumhare dastan taq na hoge dastanon maine ........
If any shia thinks he is descendent of any Caliph it appplies same .....
Shikwa/Lament
or Duniya maine itna gham hai
Mera gham kitna kam hai ........
Posted by
Paigham
May 23, 2003 07:16 pm
Either a psych personnel hospital / nurse will charge unafordable price to cure you.....so bund darwaza even inSocialized med. b/c it does not cover all things or Duniya maine itna gham hai
Mera gham kitna kam hai ........
Women in Religious Scriptures
From your Web Site
Sadna...
Even in India you dont have that right which is secular democracy andNOT islamic
Posted by
Paigham
May 23, 2003 03:42 pm
``Being able to say what you think is a universal human right``From your Web Site
Sadna...
Even in India you dont have that right which is secular democracy andNOT islamic
Terror in Okara
#7 by Sobia on May 23, 2003 1:47pm PT
As long as these stiff-necked faujis are in power, this is going to keep happening..and let`s not hold our breaths about when mushy is going to leave...the ba$tard is here to stay. I attended a very interesting seminar in which one of the pioneers of pakistan`s devolution plan (arrogant fauji who is no longer in power but still attended the lecture with a car-full of policeman) was humiliated openly about what he`s done to the country - he had to leave in total disgrace and I must say it made me very very happy to see him receive his dues. I say line them all up and publicly shoot them, for what they`ve collectively done to Pakistan.
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then what is the diff between you Osama and Terrorist ?
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Paigham
May 23, 2003 03:42 pm
#7 by Sobia on May 23, 2003 1:47pm PT
As long as these stiff-necked faujis are in power, this is going to keep happening..and let`s not hold our breaths about when mushy is going to leave...the ba$tard is here to stay. I attended a very interesting seminar in which one of the pioneers of pakistan`s devolution plan (arrogant fauji who is no longer in power but still attended the lecture with a car-full of policeman) was humiliated openly about what he`s done to the country - he had to leave in total disgrace and I must say it made me very very happy to see him receive his dues. I say line them all up and publicly shoot them, for what they`ve collectively done to Pakistan.
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then what is the diff between you Osama and Terrorist ?
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