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The Beginning of the End of the Kashmir Problem
#106 by m_souza on May 17, 2003 8:23am PT
#88 by Paigham on May 16, 2003 8:54am PT

``whole 140 millions ofIndian MUslims , have proven ability ,desire & intent of living as Minority .Why can`t Hindu live as MINORITY for once ? ``

Heyhey..hangon.....kyun kyun...why do hindus have to live as minority in India..the birth place of its relgion..and the religion has been around there for the last 5000 years ..? Hindus are a monirity in many other countries..no problem..

Are muslims a minority in Arabic lands ... Islam`s birthplace??

We were 100% in India for a long long time..now we are 85% or so..enough...won`t go down any further.
In Pakistan... muslims are 100%(99 at least)..anyone who wants to be a majority..can try going there.
Otherwise please be happy in India..we don`t have a problem with secularism

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Jise ne apni assli maa ka doodh peeya hai kar ke dekha de ......





If you speaking from Hindu Sashtra or Vedic interpretation of rights ..i do not know neither i care to b/c it is not applicable in International or Democratic laws.


If U.S.A. hypotheticaly converts 100% to ISLAM is there u.s. constitution or constitution of which country including INDIA says you cease your Citizenship .


If only the religion which originated in a country has ANY status can you plz .INForm me when and where and wHO started Hinduism ?Where in reference to Veda or Ramayan or Geeta or Mahabharat word HINDU is mentioned ?

Only you can implement what a mind thinks ...which what faith is ....Good luck..


``We were 100% in India for a long long time``

Listen you DUfus ,i have been in India 120% even before you .


You may reply if you want .


But irrespective, i will keep living longer than you without CHANGING MY VIEWS irrerspectuive of what you or your family or relatives think of that .


Chances are neither you nor heven on earth can move me from this RIGHT if i chose to use it .



Untill unless you can do anything about that it is MOOT point what your views are or that I dont care about your views .

The Beginning of the End of the Kashmir Problem
#106 by m_souza on May 17, 2003 8:23am PT
#88 by Paigham on May 16, 2003 8:54am PT

``whole 140 millions ofIndian MUslims , have proven ability ,desire & intent of living as Minority .Why can`t Hindu live as MINORITY for once ? ``

Heyhey..hangon.....kyun kyun...why do hindus have to live as minority in India..the birth place of its relgion..and the religion has been around there for the last 5000 years ..? Hindus are a monirity in many other countries..no problem..

Are muslims a minority in Arabic lands ... Islam`s birthplace??

We were 100% in India for a long long time..now we are 85% or so..enough...won`t go down any further.
In Pakistan... muslims are 100%(99 at least)..anyone who wants to be a majority..can try going there.
Otherwise please be happy in India..we don`t have a problem with secularism

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Jise ne apni assli maa ka doodh peeya hai kar ke dekha de ......





If you speaking from Hindu Sashtra or Vedic interpretation of rights ..i do not know neither i care to b/c it is not applicable in International or Democratic laws.


If U.S.A. hypotheticaly converts 100% to ISLAM is there u.s. constitution or constitution of which country including INDIA says you cease your Citizenship .


If only the religion which originated in a country has ANY status can you plz .INForm me when and where and wHO started Hinduism ?Where in reference to Veda or Ramayan or Geeta or Mahabharat word HINDU is mentioned ?

Only you can implement what a mind thinks ...which what faith is ....Good luck..


``We were 100% in India for a long long time``

Listen you DUfus ,i have been in India 120% even before you .


You may reply if you want .


But irrespective, i will keep living lionger than you without CHANGING MY VIEWS irrerspectuive of what you or your family or relatives think of that .


Chances are neither you nor heven on earth can move me from this RIGHT if i chose to use it .



Untill unless you can do anything about that it is MOOT point what your views are or that I dont care about your views .

Women in Religious Scriptures
#12

``one of the male ,who was intelligent enough invent satin and over come females
from that on he is enjoying the fruit of his efforts. ``
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What are chances that one in trillion mutated to invent from morons and no more than ZERO out of Trillion could invent by herself ?

Male chauvinistic machisiomatic Pig !!!

Who Says You Cant Buy Love? Between delaration of revolt by zahra on the board & Farzana & Sadna on this i am really confused.

Akbar asked Jehangir``sheeroo agar tou Anarkali nahi chore ga tou samjho Baghawat ho chuke ``

Somewhere among the trio i know who has .

Who Says You Cant Buy Love?


#36 by sadna on May 16, 2003 10:25pm PT


WOW

I must say your point is the most poignant .

I dont think porn stars & play mates HERE ,are EXploited as even (male )Me inother ways have been .

Monica & co are as organized in there sexuality as precision bombing of Tomohawk Cruise ,Made in America .

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#36 by sadna on May 16, 2003 10:25pm PT

Who Says You Cant Buy Love? ``Faqiron wali filmain,`` i.e. movies with poor people (another i.e.) movies in which people don`t have too many clothes to wear.


rofl...he he he


very innovative imaginative and crerative bibi ji you have in Pakistan !

Indian ladies only have Ramayan Katha Cover books of Kamshutra Only to go buy ...:-))

The Beginning of the End of the Kashmir Problem

#91 by harimau on May 16, 2003 2:54pm PT
Ref Paigham #88

[whole 140 millions ofIndian MUslims , have proven ability ,desire & intent of living as Minority .Why can`t Hindu live as MINORITY for once ?]

The only problem is that their (the Hindus) numbers reduce from 10% to 2% rather rapidly if Muslims happen to be the majority
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Jhoota Brahmin ......


They refuse to be do all kind of work........You dont have cooks ,sweepers,coolies and cleaners in USa for brahmin either .

Quandary in Quantum Mechanics Pakistanis talk about Physics ....like under cover sleuths.... to make believe naive foreigners feel as if Pakistanis are really acedemic ,scholarly educatd Scientists ...Far from true ..In terospect i would never have guessed what this sleuth was plannig just 2 months later to pull Coup De Tat of Pakistan.



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Evaporation Drops the Temperature
by Bilal Musharraf



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The working class of Pakistan, basically those who are not part of the ruling/owning class have to bring about the much needed and much awaited long-term progressive change in Pakistan. However, individuals who feel that they have the ethical/moral fiber and the financial and political clout to help and guide the working class must play their part in mobilizing the masses. Bear with me, as I try to explain an analogy that is somewhat related to these thoughts.

In Physics, we call the average kinetic energy of a body, its temperature. Let`s imagine a liquid contained in a vessel with innumerable colliding molecules forming the body of the liquid. They engage in elastic collisions, gaining and losing their kinetic energy. The Central Limit Theorem (The Law of Large Numbers) in statistics tells us that given a large enough sample, all distributions will tend to a normal distribution, i.e., a significant majority of molecules in the liquid possess energy levels that are right around the average kinetic energy of the liquid (the bell shaped curve). A small minority possesses very high energy and a very small minority possesses very low energy. It is the high energy molecules that possess enough impetus to break the surface of the liquid and escape into the rarer medium above. This has a significant impact on the temperature of a liquid, because the escaping molecules have higher than `average` energy levels.

A country like Pakistan, containing its teeming masses, is very similar. The entropy of Pakistan, or its potential to change itself is reflected by the empowerment level that the average Pakistani possesses. The overwhelming majority of people feel powerless in the scheme of things in Pakistan and in their desperation are blinded to reasoning and rationale and continue to project their ambitions on to individuals that have little to show from their past and fall short of such a responsibility. I highly recommend reading: `Leaders, Fools, and Imposters`… a well respected book on the psycho-analysis of individuals in leadership positions.

[The author of `Leaders, Fools, and Imposters`, Manfred F. R. Kets de Vries is a practicing psychoanalyst and Raoul de Vitry d’Avaucourt chair of human resource management at the European Institute of Business Administration (INSEAD) in Fontainebleau, France. He is the author of eight books on such topics as leadership, career dynamics, and organizational diagnosis and intervention. Kets de Vries has been an executive development consultant to major corporations in the United States, Europe, and Asia.]

As Ayaz Amir wrote in Dawn some time ago:

``The tragedy is not Nawaz Sharif`s who has already known more than his share of glory. The tragedy is that of the Pakistani people who while yearning and indeed waiting for heroes have always had to settle for less than heroic figures. In the present case the tragedy is two-fold because the people of Pakistan have deluded themselves. Far from anyone else betraying them, they have been betrayed by their own expectations. Nawaz Sharif was no stranger to them. They knew his strengths and weaknesses as also the history of his rise to political greatness. But driven by their own desires they saw things in him that were not there. Who is then to be blamed: Nawaz Sharif for being true to form and character or the people of Pakistan for living out another chapter of their unchanging tragedy?``

Who are the people at the two ends of the bell-shaped empowerment curve for Pakistan? At one end is a minority of individuals who possess the political/professional/financial clout to influence progressive change, and at the other is a self-centered wealthy ruling elite, that resists change and thrives on status quo.

Since the 60`s, flocks of professional Pakistanis have migrated. The loss is not simply of a monetary transfer of assets or a brain drain. It is a loss in the entropy of Pakistan. The nation is increasingly left with a ruling class that is indifferent to the priority in which the fundamental needs of Pakistan need to be addressed.

In the presence of a rarer medium, a liquid will eventually dry up.

The working class of Pakistanis, inside and abroad... need to WAKE UP and influence change!



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The author works as an Actuarial Analyst, quantifying financial contingency. An avid follower of South Asia’s socio-economic and geo-political reality.

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Who Says You Cant Buy Love? Do all failed professionals turn to use `sex` as the last `sure to work` means ?

If nothing else

jinhe.n naaz hai hind par vo kahaa.N hai.nkahaa.N hai.n,



kahaa.N hai.n muhAfiz khudii ke
jinhe.n naaz hai hind par vo kahaa.N hai.n
kahaa.N hai.n, kahaa.N hai.n, kahaa.N hai.n

ye purape.nch galiyaa.n, ye badanaam baazaar
ye gumanaam raahii, ye sikko.n kI jhanakaar
ye isamat ke saude, ye saudo.n pe takaraar
jinhe naaz ...

ye sadiyo.n se bekhauf sahamii sI galiyaa.n
ye masalii huI adhakhilI zard kaliyaa.n
ye bikatii huI khokhalii ra.ngaraliyaa.N
jinhe naaz ...

vo ujale darIcho.n me.n paayal kii chhan chhan
thakii haarii saa.nso.n pe tabale kI dhan dhan (2)
ye berUh kamaro.n me khaa.nsii ki Than Than
jinhe naaz ...



yahaa.N piir bhii aa chuke hai.n, javaa.n bhii
tan -o -mand beTe bhI, abbaa miyaa.N bhii
ye biivii hai (2) aur bahan hai, maa.N hai
jinhe naaz ...

madad chaahatii hai ye havaa kI beTI
yashodaa kI ham_jins raadhaa kI beTI (2)
payambar kI ummat zulekhaa kI beTI,
jinhe naaz ...

The Beginning of the End of the Kashmir Problem #85

``Other than being Muslims (meaning: backward, 7th-century, misogynistic, bomb-throwing), exactly what qualifications do the Kashmiris have to be come an independent nation? ``
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What about ``princely State Status ``

And there were not 35 but much more than that with that qualifications .


All except one of them has been either settled by force ,logistics or grounds of ethnicity of population.

whole 140 millions ofIndian MUslims , have proven ability ,desire & intent of living as Minority .Why can`t Hindu live as MINORITY for once ?

On the Picket Line in Islamabad

#24 by septran on May 15, 2003 6:50am PT
aroma of different foods make my mouth to salivate.


If Not Pavlov would be turning in his grave and we would beeven less than Dogs

Mutant Muslims
Though i have feeling that collected money will make some Baniya very happy ........

Subject: EVENT: Junoon in Concert in NYC on May 29


PAKISTANI ROCKERS RETURN TO NEW YORK!

CNN calls them ``The U2 of Pakistan``. The New York Times calls them
``Asia`s Answer to Santana``. Pakistani Mystic Rock Group Junoon are
returning to their spiritual hometown of New York with an exclusive club
night at the legendary Village Underground in Greenwich Village.
Junoon`s music has been described as a cross between Led Zeppelin and
Qawwali, the Muslim devotional music best represented by the late Ustaad
Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan. The band kicks off an 8 city tour in the Big
Apple on May 29th.

A testament to New York`s diversity and resilience, 2/3 of Karachi-based
Junoon grew up in nearby Rockland County. Junoon was deeply affected by
the 9/11 attacks on the City, and arranged benefit concerts in New York
and Pakistan immediately following attacks, including a show at the
United Nations General Assembly. The band recorded their first english
language single, ``No More``, in the aftermath of 9/11, and shot the video
on the rooftop of a Hell`s Kitchen skyscraper. Junoon performed a
tribute concert last year in New York for the late Wall Street Journal
reporter Daniel Pearl, the only Pakistani group to do so.

Junoon has been torn by the deaths of civilians in Iraq, and are about
to release a brand new album entitled ``Dewaar``, (Wall), which
encapsulates the turmoil the band has been through in recent past,
straddling both the Muslim and Western Worlds. With the nuclear
conflagration between India and Pakistan looming, Junoon recently
performed a peace concert in their home city of Karachi with Indian pop
diva Anaida. EMI will be releasing a compilation album of Junoon`s
greatest hits shortly.

For more info, contact junoon at info@junoon.com or visit their website
www.junoon.com .


EVENT DETAILS
DATE: Thursday, MAY 29, 2003

TIME: 8.30pm

LOCATION: VILLAGE UNDERGROUND, 130 West 3rd Street bet. 6th Avenue and
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) for more info or directions
COST: $30 ADVANCE TICKETS, $35 AT THE DOOR
CALL (212) 254-1725 OR BUY TICKETS ONLINE
(www.thevillageunderground.com)

The Saffron Autumn
#37 by harimau on May 12, 2003 2:12pm PT
Ref Paigham #36

[But then hypocrite ,unfair & prejudiced Hindians (Hindutva Indians)have no problem preserving Karan Sing of the Gulab Singh dynasty because of Kashmir .Doesn`t it .?]

So, tell us exactly what the Indian government has done to PRESERVE Karan Singh? He lost his Privy Purse along with the 550+ other Rajas back in the late 60s. If he continues to live, should the Government of India kill him?
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``What a pinhead ``


Pin without even a HEAD :((

Karan singh has been given portfolio after portfolios after ineptness after ineptness.Dont tell me his doctorate degree from Delhi univ.is worth the pasper it is written on outside BHARAT .....

When a govt likes you ..are u such a dufus to telll me country of Bharat is unable to preseve maintain & cherish its heritage when i ,as ordinary worker class support art ,literature, pets ,families ,communities and even that Govt. about which i talk ?

If ans to all your short coming is INABILITY ..GET the heck out off Delhi And LET Akbar come back and TEACH you slaves of eternity !

The Saffron Autumn
#35 by harimau on May 11, 2003 6:42am PT
Hey 12-Head. You were complaining somewhere about the Indian

But then hypocrite ,unfair & prejudiced Hindians (Hindutva Indians)have no problem preserving Karan Sing of the Gulab Singh dynasty because of Kashmir .Doesn`t it .?

Preserve the Scindia ,The Pataudis ,Wajid Ali Shahs ....those that serve there purpose.

I am not against Bjp or Congrss but the Mindset of Soft Hindutva in Congress & of course out & out Hindutva BJP.

Pakistan and India - Lets Compromise
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#91 by ZafarA on May 10, 2003 7:54am PT
Reply ali87 #85

``Remember that terrorists need to have either cross border or Islamic or international preceeding their name to be to be called terrorists.``

uff, stop whining and pretending that the only reason the goons who killed those pandits in Nadimarg, and laid the bomb in Akshardham, etc. etc. etc. are called terrorists by reasonable people is that they were born Muslim
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So typical simpleton moulvi with cap !


Do you have absolute surity or guarantee that Bjp doesnt have money & machinery to to idirectly precipitate attack by MUSLIMS in Godhra & Akhshwardfham or Nadimarg ..

I know of much more complicated & inconceivable planning by much less resourcefull org. than BJP .( bjp is just a generically speaking )

Just watched a ``JURY ``master piece theatre based on true incident in which aikh Boy Druvimder almost was convicted for brutal murder of WHITE .....but for lasdt minute work of investigative effort revealed an eye witness betterr than 10 circumstancial evidences ....

Dont ever close the case untill fully exhausted your intelligence & money .