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#23 by daudpota on May 8, 2003 11:03am PT
From your propoganda web site ....
``ten million of the gentle creatures to their doom every year. (We`ll assume all the said creatures are cows, and forget about that silly kangaroo story.) The meat that McDonald`s buys amounts to a staggering 1 percent of the entire American beef market. Anybody for an Egg McMuffin?``
When you use such adjectives as ``gentle`` and ``unfortunate cows``....
You dont leve much to imaginations to comprehend non verbal; communications.
Vegan Vegeterians are either mentally unsound or `majboor ` .If religous edicts makes you oddball you cannot go about using half science pseudo science to win .
Just as eating has more than purpose of adding weight to you but much needed ENERGY ......
You show me a fast car i ll tell you its not the one with lawn mower motor in it.
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Roshan
May 12, 2003 02:12 pm
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#23 by daudpota on May 8, 2003 11:03am PT
From your propoganda web site ....
``ten million of the gentle creatures to their doom every year. (We`ll assume all the said creatures are cows, and forget about that silly kangaroo story.) The meat that McDonald`s buys amounts to a staggering 1 percent of the entire American beef market. Anybody for an Egg McMuffin?``
When you use such adjectives as ``gentle`` and ``unfortunate cows``....
You dont leve much to imaginations to comprehend non verbal; communications.
Vegan Vegeterians are either mentally unsound or `majboor ` .If religous edicts makes you oddball you cannot go about using half science pseudo science to win .
Just as eating has more than purpose of adding weight to you but much needed ENERGY ......
You show me a fast car i ll tell you its not the one with lawn mower motor in it.
Exploring the Eternal Jihad: Islam vs. Sexuality
``who use sexual exploitation of non muslim women as a symbol of sticking-it-up to `em infidels etc.... etc... etc.``
Since when Neo feminist like you invented this new Mantra of `exploitation of nonmuslim women``??
As if Muslim women could never be Exploited ?
OR
SEX suddenly became another form of male `liability `??
Posted by
Roshan
May 11, 2003 01:14 pm
#12``who use sexual exploitation of non muslim women as a symbol of sticking-it-up to `em infidels etc.... etc... etc.``
Since when Neo feminist like you invented this new Mantra of `exploitation of nonmuslim women``??
As if Muslim women could never be Exploited ?
OR
SEX suddenly became another form of male `liability `??
Exploring the Eternal Jihad: Islam vs. Sexuality
DarGAY
``Sex is a gift from God to be enjoyed within a marriage. Any other form of sex is illegal and prohibited. Those who are not happy with such rules should go argue with God. ``
That from a GAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When gay marriage is not recognised ??
I know gays have lot of arguing to do with GOD ,better start right NOW..LOL
Posted by
Roshan
May 11, 2003 01:14 pm
#15DarGAY
``Sex is a gift from God to be enjoyed within a marriage. Any other form of sex is illegal and prohibited. Those who are not happy with such rules should go argue with God. ``
That from a GAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When gay marriage is not recognised ??
I know gays have lot of arguing to do with GOD ,better start right NOW..LOL
Exploring the Eternal Jihad: Islam vs. Sexuality
Whats with Muslim men and their sex life? Apparently some of them are forced to copulate with camels and goats and some others are forced to copulate(or not) with `Hindu` women and as a consequence are very traumatized Why ? Muslim women mein kya kami hai? Are they lesbians? Saima ?
IsSadna male or Female, IF female .....
Poor Sadna could never find a real live Muslim Men even in this American liberal free society to have so many unanswered burning questions!!!!
Posted by
Roshan
May 11, 2003 01:14 pm
#16 by sadna on May 9, 2003 8:57am PTWhats with Muslim men and their sex life? Apparently some of them are forced to copulate with camels and goats and some others are forced to copulate(or not) with `Hindu` women and as a consequence are very traumatized Why ? Muslim women mein kya kami hai? Are they lesbians? Saima ?
IsSadna male or Female, IF female .....
Poor Sadna could never find a real live Muslim Men even in this American liberal free society to have so many unanswered burning questions!!!!
Exploring the Eternal Jihad: Islam vs. Sexuality
nb
``Before women knock feminists,I would like them to consider that without the feminist movement,none of you would have the freedom to sit at your computers,expressing your views,or even have ownership of your computers..``
And also thank you feminist for the food clothes haeting & carriages cars &caravans ,movies t.v. & blender And Range ..Thank you Feminist for the Polio Vaccine Peniciilin ,X-rays ,MRI & Concordes ...
Even sitting before computers never was given by Feminist .The only thing Feminist are creditted with
increasing the Productionof Assembly line manufacturing capability by Rosie The Rivetter during the WW2 when we men were occupied fighting protecting you from Hitler !
Rennaisence mant,nb!....The most you can expect & earn by such ``ALLOO`` is a stolen kiss from a naive girl in the darkness of Matinee show movie theatre!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;-))
Posted by
Roshan
May 11, 2003 01:14 pm
#36nb
``Before women knock feminists,I would like them to consider that without the feminist movement,none of you would have the freedom to sit at your computers,expressing your views,or even have ownership of your computers..``
And also thank you feminist for the food clothes haeting & carriages cars &caravans ,movies t.v. & blender And Range ..Thank you Feminist for the Polio Vaccine Peniciilin ,X-rays ,MRI & Concordes ...
Even sitting before computers never was given by Feminist .The only thing Feminist are creditted with
increasing the Productionof Assembly line manufacturing capability by Rosie The Rivetter during the WW2 when we men were occupied fighting protecting you from Hitler !
Rennaisence mant,nb!....The most you can expect & earn by such ``ALLOO`` is a stolen kiss from a naive girl in the darkness of Matinee show movie theatre!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;-))
Actions Speak Loud
#19 by arjun_m on May 7, 2003 11:48am PT
Capitalism rules...
FIRST TAKECARE OF PATHETIC STATE OF AFFAIRS OF YOUR NATION BEFORE BECOMING EUPHORIA OF AMERICAN CAPITALISM..Its not Hindutvas baby ...?
http://query.nytimes.com/search/full-page?res=9F07E7DD1F38F933A25757C0A9659C8B63
THE ARTS/CULTURAL DESK
BOOKS OF THE TIMES; Here`s Your Vote; Liberty Can Wait
By ROBERT D. KAPLAN
THE FUTURE OF FREEDOM
Illiberal Democracy at Home and Abroad
By Fareed Zakaria
286 pages. W. W. Norton & Company. $24.95.
The triumph of democracy in Central Europe after the collapse of the Soviet empire led to the fatuous assumption that democracy would succeed everywhere else. Many intellectuals brushed aside the advantages that Central Europe had that other regions lacked: high literacy rates, a long bourgeois tradition and exposure to the Western Enlightenment.
Thus policymakers were not prepared for elections that helped pave the way to mass killings in the Balkans, to new dictatorships in Central Asia and to chaos in Africa. As Fareed Zakaria explains in ``The Future of Freedom: Illiberal Democracy at Home and Abroad,`` elections are not necessarily synonymous with constitutional liberalism: ``Democracy is flourishing; liberty is not.``
Mr. Zakaria, the editor of Newsweek International, defines constitutional liberalism as the ``bundle of freedoms`` that include the rule of law, the rights of free speech and religion and the protection of minorities. Such freedoms, he writes, require the limitation of power, although democracy can sometimes mean the accumulation of it by an electorate that is little more than a mob. An example is his native India, where Hindu politicians pursue the ``rhetoric of hatred,`` which has led to ``the ethnic cleansing of tens of thousands`` simply because it appeals to so many anti-Muslim voters.
Mr. Zakaria`s complex argument is particularly relevant today, as the United States is at the apex of its power in the Middle East, facing the decision of whether to democratize Iraq quickly and whether to push for change elsewhere in the region.
He provides this cautionary note: ``The Arab rulers of the Middle East are autocratic, corrupt and heavy-handed. But they are still more liberal, tolerant and pluralistic than what would likely replace them. Elections in many Arab countries would produce politicians who espouse views that are closer to Osama bin Laden`s than those of Jordan`s liberal monarch, King Abdullah.``
Nevertheless, elections in Iraq, particularly in the Shiite areas, might show the world that the United States is bent on the Iraqis` liberation rather than on their subjugation. Elections would also pressure the Shiite regime in neighboring Iran to liberalize. But it is the circumstances of each Middle Eastern country that should dictate how far and how fast we push for democratization, and not our ideological hubris.
Elections often constitute the culmination of liberalization rather than its beginning. The United States will surely be at its best in the Middle East when it promotes the general principles of a free society, rather than when it seeks to interpret those principles too narrowly and legalistically by demanding elections when it is dangerous to do so. In a post-Saddam Hussein Middle East, Mr. Zakaria implies, our truest allies will be patience and endurance. His book, whose target is zealotry and not democracy, could not have been published at a more appropriate time.
Democracy`s mixed record in producing liberty is Mr. Zakaria`s theme. He writes about Karl Lueger, the rabid anti-Semite who in 1895 was elected mayor of Vienna. The unelected Habsburg emperor, Franz Joseph I, refused to honor the election, an anti-democratic measure that furthered the cause of historic liberalism rather than impeded it. As the author shows, the rise of fascism in the first half of the 20th century was inextricable from the expansion of the democratic franchise: Hitler rose to power through a free and fair democratic election.
Because social and economic conditions in much of the non-Western world now approximate those of Europe between the wars, Mr. Zakaria is able to catalog a vast array of instances in which the electorate`s will led to the retrenchment of liberty. In 1994 voters in Belarus overwhelmingly elected the extreme nationalist Aleksandr Lukashenko as their president. The recent crackdown on independent news media by President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia was sanctioned by the electorate in opinion polls. In 1998 Venezuelans elected as their president Hugo Chᶥz, the angry populist and cashiered army colonel who then eviscerated the legislature and the judiciary.
And while Americans and Israelis justly despise the misrule of the Palestinian leader Yasir Arafat, the author points out that Mr. Arafat ``is the only leader in the entire Arab world who has been chosen through reasonably free elections.``
``The Future of Freedom,`` however, is no polemic against elections. Rather, it is a calm antidote to the fervency of those who want to force elections down the throat of every society, no matter what its particular circumstances and historical experience. As any foreign correspondent knows, there are all kinds and gradations of dictators. Saddam Hussein cannot be compared to Gen. Pervez Musharraf, whose coup in Pakistan in 1999 led to an attempt at ``radical political, social, educational and economic reform`` that no elected politician would have dared. Nor can Lee Kuan Yew, who wrought an economic miracle in Singapore, be compared to another dictator, Robert Mugabe, whose thuggery and incompetency have brought Zimbabwe to the brink of famine and bankruptcy. Mr. Zakaria, far from extolling dictatorship, usefully reminds us of a complicated world that cannot be depicted as a Manichean divide between democratic and authoritarian.
``It should surely puzzle these scholars and intellectuals,`` Mr. Zakaria writes, ``that the best-consolidated democracies in Latin America and East Asia -- Chile, South Korea and Taiwan -- were for a long while ruled by military juntas. . . . In almost every case the dictatorships opened the economy slowly and partially, but this process made government more and more liberal.``
Nor did our own democracy spring from completely exalted ground. Mr. Zakaria notes that Western liberty was born of naked struggles for power. The Vatican, though itself reactionary, furthered the cause of individual liberty by competing with the power of the state so that the state lost its monopoly on ideas. There was also the dumb luck of geography: Europe`s many rivers, mountains and navigable bays allowed for the growth of feisty, independent countries, in contrast to the flatlands of Asia, easily overrun and thus friendly to despotism. Earned wealth also helped the West. The rise of a bourgeoisie and private businesses weakened the state`s centralizing power.
The author nowhere denies moral will as a factor in liberty but writes that people of strong moral will exist in many places that are still not liberal, often because history, geography and economic conditions have not been propitious.
As for Iraq, Mesopotamia`s flat geography, so friendly to conquest, as well as its ethnic splits and absence of public opinion (at least as we know it), would not make it seem fertile ground for democracy. Nevertheless, the nation`s high level of education and relatively secular tradition should give us some cause for optimism. Who knows? Iraqis may turn out to be wise in the way of Eastern Europeans, who had experienced a similar despotism.
Robert D. Kaplan is a correspondent for The Atlantic Monthly whose books include ``Warrior Politics`` and ``The Coming Anarchy.``
Published: 04 - 10 - 2003 , Late Edition - Final , Section E , Column 6 , Page 1
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Roshan
May 7, 2003 08:40 pm
#19 by arjun_m on May 7, 2003 11:48am PT
Capitalism rules...
FIRST TAKECARE OF PATHETIC STATE OF AFFAIRS OF YOUR NATION BEFORE BECOMING EUPHORIA OF AMERICAN CAPITALISM..Its not Hindutvas baby ...?
http://query.nytimes.com/search/full-page?res=9F07E7DD1F38F933A25757C0A9659C8B63
THE ARTS/CULTURAL DESK
BOOKS OF THE TIMES; Here`s Your Vote; Liberty Can Wait
By ROBERT D. KAPLAN
THE FUTURE OF FREEDOM
Illiberal Democracy at Home and Abroad
By Fareed Zakaria
286 pages. W. W. Norton & Company. $24.95.
The triumph of democracy in Central Europe after the collapse of the Soviet empire led to the fatuous assumption that democracy would succeed everywhere else. Many intellectuals brushed aside the advantages that Central Europe had that other regions lacked: high literacy rates, a long bourgeois tradition and exposure to the Western Enlightenment.
Thus policymakers were not prepared for elections that helped pave the way to mass killings in the Balkans, to new dictatorships in Central Asia and to chaos in Africa. As Fareed Zakaria explains in ``The Future of Freedom: Illiberal Democracy at Home and Abroad,`` elections are not necessarily synonymous with constitutional liberalism: ``Democracy is flourishing; liberty is not.``
Mr. Zakaria, the editor of Newsweek International, defines constitutional liberalism as the ``bundle of freedoms`` that include the rule of law, the rights of free speech and religion and the protection of minorities. Such freedoms, he writes, require the limitation of power, although democracy can sometimes mean the accumulation of it by an electorate that is little more than a mob. An example is his native India, where Hindu politicians pursue the ``rhetoric of hatred,`` which has led to ``the ethnic cleansing of tens of thousands`` simply because it appeals to so many anti-Muslim voters.
Mr. Zakaria`s complex argument is particularly relevant today, as the United States is at the apex of its power in the Middle East, facing the decision of whether to democratize Iraq quickly and whether to push for change elsewhere in the region.
He provides this cautionary note: ``The Arab rulers of the Middle East are autocratic, corrupt and heavy-handed. But they are still more liberal, tolerant and pluralistic than what would likely replace them. Elections in many Arab countries would produce politicians who espouse views that are closer to Osama bin Laden`s than those of Jordan`s liberal monarch, King Abdullah.``
Nevertheless, elections in Iraq, particularly in the Shiite areas, might show the world that the United States is bent on the Iraqis` liberation rather than on their subjugation. Elections would also pressure the Shiite regime in neighboring Iran to liberalize. But it is the circumstances of each Middle Eastern country that should dictate how far and how fast we push for democratization, and not our ideological hubris.
Elections often constitute the culmination of liberalization rather than its beginning. The United States will surely be at its best in the Middle East when it promotes the general principles of a free society, rather than when it seeks to interpret those principles too narrowly and legalistically by demanding elections when it is dangerous to do so. In a post-Saddam Hussein Middle East, Mr. Zakaria implies, our truest allies will be patience and endurance. His book, whose target is zealotry and not democracy, could not have been published at a more appropriate time.
Democracy`s mixed record in producing liberty is Mr. Zakaria`s theme. He writes about Karl Lueger, the rabid anti-Semite who in 1895 was elected mayor of Vienna. The unelected Habsburg emperor, Franz Joseph I, refused to honor the election, an anti-democratic measure that furthered the cause of historic liberalism rather than impeded it. As the author shows, the rise of fascism in the first half of the 20th century was inextricable from the expansion of the democratic franchise: Hitler rose to power through a free and fair democratic election.
Because social and economic conditions in much of the non-Western world now approximate those of Europe between the wars, Mr. Zakaria is able to catalog a vast array of instances in which the electorate`s will led to the retrenchment of liberty. In 1994 voters in Belarus overwhelmingly elected the extreme nationalist Aleksandr Lukashenko as their president. The recent crackdown on independent news media by President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia was sanctioned by the electorate in opinion polls. In 1998 Venezuelans elected as their president Hugo Chᶥz, the angry populist and cashiered army colonel who then eviscerated the legislature and the judiciary.
And while Americans and Israelis justly despise the misrule of the Palestinian leader Yasir Arafat, the author points out that Mr. Arafat ``is the only leader in the entire Arab world who has been chosen through reasonably free elections.``
``The Future of Freedom,`` however, is no polemic against elections. Rather, it is a calm antidote to the fervency of those who want to force elections down the throat of every society, no matter what its particular circumstances and historical experience. As any foreign correspondent knows, there are all kinds and gradations of dictators. Saddam Hussein cannot be compared to Gen. Pervez Musharraf, whose coup in Pakistan in 1999 led to an attempt at ``radical political, social, educational and economic reform`` that no elected politician would have dared. Nor can Lee Kuan Yew, who wrought an economic miracle in Singapore, be compared to another dictator, Robert Mugabe, whose thuggery and incompetency have brought Zimbabwe to the brink of famine and bankruptcy. Mr. Zakaria, far from extolling dictatorship, usefully reminds us of a complicated world that cannot be depicted as a Manichean divide between democratic and authoritarian.
``It should surely puzzle these scholars and intellectuals,`` Mr. Zakaria writes, ``that the best-consolidated democracies in Latin America and East Asia -- Chile, South Korea and Taiwan -- were for a long while ruled by military juntas. . . . In almost every case the dictatorships opened the economy slowly and partially, but this process made government more and more liberal.``
Nor did our own democracy spring from completely exalted ground. Mr. Zakaria notes that Western liberty was born of naked struggles for power. The Vatican, though itself reactionary, furthered the cause of individual liberty by competing with the power of the state so that the state lost its monopoly on ideas. There was also the dumb luck of geography: Europe`s many rivers, mountains and navigable bays allowed for the growth of feisty, independent countries, in contrast to the flatlands of Asia, easily overrun and thus friendly to despotism. Earned wealth also helped the West. The rise of a bourgeoisie and private businesses weakened the state`s centralizing power.
The author nowhere denies moral will as a factor in liberty but writes that people of strong moral will exist in many places that are still not liberal, often because history, geography and economic conditions have not been propitious.
As for Iraq, Mesopotamia`s flat geography, so friendly to conquest, as well as its ethnic splits and absence of public opinion (at least as we know it), would not make it seem fertile ground for democracy. Nevertheless, the nation`s high level of education and relatively secular tradition should give us some cause for optimism. Who knows? Iraqis may turn out to be wise in the way of Eastern Europeans, who had experienced a similar despotism.
Robert D. Kaplan is a correspondent for The Atlantic Monthly whose books include ``Warrior Politics`` and ``The Coming Anarchy.``
Published: 04 - 10 - 2003 , Late Edition - Final , Section E , Column 6 , Page 1
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Dangerous Precedents
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#10 by pmishra2 on May 6, 2003 6:57am PT
#sameerJB
``Otherwise, he comes across as your typical special interest advocate, two-faced and generally interested only in exploiting liberal democracy for his own sectarian ends``
Ignorance is Bliss
Be blissful as long as you can
I don`t know who this Lord Nazir is either but if he is Pakistan Muslim and he is looking after the Muslim or Pakistani interest which ever he considers comes first is not a crime is it?
Then Nationalism is crime.
Just for your information there is Hindu Indian like him called Lord Dholakia ..A British way of instuting parity between people of he same subcontinent saying look to me you both look almost alike and I don`t know why you two keep fighting with each other, I recognize both of you equally.
This Dholakia took Naipaul a Hindu but not an Indian to first ever annual gathering of NRI Diaspora (read Hindu ummah) where Hindus from all over the world Fiji Australia , West Indies, Trinidad etc.etc. gathered course all exceptions paid by SECULAR democratic Republic of India.
Mr.Dholakia stood up after umpteen Hindus like Advani had congratulated Naipaul for glorifying the Hindu Name and at the same time shafting the enemy Muslims in ``Among the believers``
Mr.Dholakia ends by stating every Indian carries a picture of Hanuman in his heart whether he lives inEngland or America and shows it to another Indian (read Hindu) as a proof of his identity
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Roshan
May 6, 2003 08:26 pm
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#10 by pmishra2 on May 6, 2003 6:57am PT
#sameerJB
``Otherwise, he comes across as your typical special interest advocate, two-faced and generally interested only in exploiting liberal democracy for his own sectarian ends``
Ignorance is Bliss
Be blissful as long as you can
I don`t know who this Lord Nazir is either but if he is Pakistan Muslim and he is looking after the Muslim or Pakistani interest which ever he considers comes first is not a crime is it?
Then Nationalism is crime.
Just for your information there is Hindu Indian like him called Lord Dholakia ..A British way of instuting parity between people of he same subcontinent saying look to me you both look almost alike and I don`t know why you two keep fighting with each other, I recognize both of you equally.
This Dholakia took Naipaul a Hindu but not an Indian to first ever annual gathering of NRI Diaspora (read Hindu ummah) where Hindus from all over the world Fiji Australia , West Indies, Trinidad etc.etc. gathered course all exceptions paid by SECULAR democratic Republic of India.
Mr.Dholakia stood up after umpteen Hindus like Advani had congratulated Naipaul for glorifying the Hindu Name and at the same time shafting the enemy Muslims in ``Among the believers``
Mr.Dholakia ends by stating every Indian carries a picture of Hanuman in his heart whether he lives inEngland or America and shows it to another Indian (read Hindu) as a proof of his identity
Actions Speak Loud
with apology
`a person who would like to make a difference and not go down in the annals of history as someone who just wrote for the heck of it. `
In your profile you wrote the above quote.
To me you inspite of devious false `buttering by` Jay and Some, your writing is worth no more than ``heck of it`` ouch it may hurt now but you will get over the delusion faster.
You are not the first to suggest. Many have tried boycott including the mightiest of mightiest USA in the form of sanctions against Iraq both buying oil fro them and selling to them.Where did it lead them to.Sanctions did not not achieve the desired result & finally 12 years later they had to start where they left & complete the job 12 years later.
Gandhi tried to spin his own clothes, eat his Goatmilk.Yes he personally like an ascetic or Sufi could liberate himself off everything from his Enemy and got salvation & nirvana Personally. But whole nation is not one will power or determination to have the will to give up easy life. This is the unfortunate part.
And also thing about Hamidm2`s lesson about keeping your proportion& perspective straight is ALSO. Yes, I know start of journey is by the beginning of first step but .....be realistic even before that whether you are a marathon material or not otherwise you will be stuck halfway on Virrazano Bridge in theNYC Marathon.
Posted by
Roshan
May 6, 2003 08:26 pm
Nadeem with apology
`a person who would like to make a difference and not go down in the annals of history as someone who just wrote for the heck of it. `
In your profile you wrote the above quote.
To me you inspite of devious false `buttering by` Jay and Some, your writing is worth no more than ``heck of it`` ouch it may hurt now but you will get over the delusion faster.
You are not the first to suggest. Many have tried boycott including the mightiest of mightiest USA in the form of sanctions against Iraq both buying oil fro them and selling to them.Where did it lead them to.Sanctions did not not achieve the desired result & finally 12 years later they had to start where they left & complete the job 12 years later.
Gandhi tried to spin his own clothes, eat his Goatmilk.Yes he personally like an ascetic or Sufi could liberate himself off everything from his Enemy and got salvation & nirvana Personally. But whole nation is not one will power or determination to have the will to give up easy life. This is the unfortunate part.
And also thing about Hamidm2`s lesson about keeping your proportion& perspective straight is ALSO. Yes, I know start of journey is by the beginning of first step but .....be realistic even before that whether you are a marathon material or not otherwise you will be stuck halfway on Virrazano Bridge in theNYC Marathon.
Quandary in Quantum Mechanics
Mohammad Gill:
To Studebaker and soysauce: You have to understand an area before commenting on it. We value your comments for what they show us about our specialty!
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May be you are right but we dont like everything that we understand .Do we?Unless you are concieted .
Posted by
Roshan
May 6, 2003 08:26 pm
#6 by Inquirer on May 6, 2003 3:41pm PTMohammad Gill:
To Studebaker and soysauce: You have to understand an area before commenting on it. We value your comments for what they show us about our specialty!
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May be you are right but we dont like everything that we understand .Do we?Unless you are concieted .
Good advice for Pakistanis
ational News ;))
Hooch chaos kills 15 in TN
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By Our Bureau
6: In a bizarre incident, at least 15 people died and 30 fell severely sick last night following consumption of spurious liquor at a village in Chennai of Tamil Nadu, sources from Chennai said today.
The tragedy occurred at Kottur village when a group of villagers consumed spurious liquor from a hooch den. All consumers fell sick and a non-confirmed report said at least 15 of them died last night. Another 30 persons were fighting for their lives at a Chennai hospital when the last report arrived today.
However, TN government fixed the death toll at 10 and declared a Rs 25,000 for the family of each liquor victim. Sources said some poisonous chemicals were mixed with the liquor and that engendered the tragedy. This is the second major liquor tragedy in Chennai in less than one month.
Other News items of this category
Posted by
Roshan
May 2, 2003 05:10 pm
Every body is not Dufferin Marine Merchant Navy Cadet ,Veeresh to get the Unpoisoned stuff.Just ask Gomak Its not laughing matter just as SARS & AIDS ational News ;))
Hooch chaos kills 15 in TN
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By Our Bureau
6: In a bizarre incident, at least 15 people died and 30 fell severely sick last night following consumption of spurious liquor at a village in Chennai of Tamil Nadu, sources from Chennai said today.
The tragedy occurred at Kottur village when a group of villagers consumed spurious liquor from a hooch den. All consumers fell sick and a non-confirmed report said at least 15 of them died last night. Another 30 persons were fighting for their lives at a Chennai hospital when the last report arrived today.
However, TN government fixed the death toll at 10 and declared a Rs 25,000 for the family of each liquor victim. Sources said some poisonous chemicals were mixed with the liquor and that engendered the tragedy. This is the second major liquor tragedy in Chennai in less than one month.
Other News items of this category
The border dispute
Its really pathetic that small infringements in terms of its value ,result in blood shed murder & consequently some times decades of court costs making the Lawyers in higher court very rich& the not so rich Farmers poorer !!!
10 t0 20 times more money is spent fighting legal battles for the value of the piece of land.After some time it becomes obsession & the battle takes up its own life regardless of the disputed land .
With so muchto be done to villagers like medical care schools ,electricity ,roads ,drainage of sewage ....all the mobney gets sucked up by the lawyes & court.
Posted by
Roshan
Apr 26, 2003 05:18 pm
I dont know about Rawal Pindi but in villages with primary occupation of agricultural products land dispute is a bonanza for `peshkar` or para legals.Advocates or Lawyers are too big for villagers and stay in bigger district towns.Its really pathetic that small infringements in terms of its value ,result in blood shed murder & consequently some times decades of court costs making the Lawyers in higher court very rich& the not so rich Farmers poorer !!!
10 t0 20 times more money is spent fighting legal battles for the value of the piece of land.After some time it becomes obsession & the battle takes up its own life regardless of the disputed land .
With so muchto be done to villagers like medical care schools ,electricity ,roads ,drainage of sewage ....all the mobney gets sucked up by the lawyes & court.
A Strange Love Affair
#7 by karima on December 12, 1998 2:50am PT
Does any of this work go through some sort of editing? I am in eleventh grade and the papers that i push out at least show minimal understanding of the english language. ``
Karima
you have been member since 1998 you mean to say you are a chowkie since 6Th Grade Age ????
First translation is hard to be compared with the original work.
Rabindra Nath tagore the only Indian citizen tio win Nobel in literature for his BENGALI writing of he poem Geetanjali which was tyranslate in English.Its very beutifull inEnglish but iot is much more in original Bengali !
Rabindro Nath was not satisfied that the Nobel Committee could not chaerish his original work in Bengali .He likened the translation (and that goes for ALL translated workd)to ``kissing your wife through your secretay``I do not know how much of that is truth but speaks of lost in translation some of the flow & idiosyncrasies of original language .
Congratulations Soumitro
Posted by
Roshan
Apr 26, 2003 05:18 pm
#7 by karima on December 12, 1998 2:50am PT
Does any of this work go through some sort of editing? I am in eleventh grade and the papers that i push out at least show minimal understanding of the english language. ``
Karima
you have been member since 1998 you mean to say you are a chowkie since 6Th Grade Age ????
First translation is hard to be compared with the original work.
Rabindra Nath tagore the only Indian citizen tio win Nobel in literature for his BENGALI writing of he poem Geetanjali which was tyranslate in English.Its very beutifull inEnglish but iot is much more in original Bengali !
Rabindro Nath was not satisfied that the Nobel Committee could not chaerish his original work in Bengali .He likened the translation (and that goes for ALL translated workd)to ``kissing your wife through your secretay``I do not know how much of that is truth but speaks of lost in translation some of the flow & idiosyncrasies of original language .
Congratulations Soumitro
Doctors or the Disease
``Another name for the so-called ``Pakistani point of view``: self-delusion``
H_hyd
I ll give you `delusion` or even `India won`` whatever number of wars you think they fought.
But bottom line is has there been any significant change in either Pakistan being Indias constant nemesis Distraction & source of irritant????
WhetherCOMPARED to before 48 (between aug 47 & 1948)or 1965 or 1971 or Kargil HAS there has not been any peace despite.??
So what India has achieved in terms of all those victories.
In fact if you take 1948 it lost POK .and its not all b/c of unfounded or illegitimate claim .
Talk to any neutral source other than India & pakistan you will know that no body other Indian themselves think Kashmir is just case of bad neighbour.
There are unresolved proscratinated& neglected issues in Kashmir which India & Indian wish it go away .
Pakistan has made it its cornerstone of relation with India .India feeling that as soon as generations of past die ,new generations brought up on Indian version of History will defend it like its own.And so the saga goes with no saint & demon but both sides burning there bridge to a position of no retreat.
Posted by
Roshan
Apr 26, 2003 05:18 pm
#29``Another name for the so-called ``Pakistani point of view``: self-delusion``
H_hyd
I ll give you `delusion` or even `India won`` whatever number of wars you think they fought.
But bottom line is has there been any significant change in either Pakistan being Indias constant nemesis Distraction & source of irritant????
WhetherCOMPARED to before 48 (between aug 47 & 1948)or 1965 or 1971 or Kargil HAS there has not been any peace despite.??
So what India has achieved in terms of all those victories.
In fact if you take 1948 it lost POK .and its not all b/c of unfounded or illegitimate claim .
Talk to any neutral source other than India & pakistan you will know that no body other Indian themselves think Kashmir is just case of bad neighbour.
There are unresolved proscratinated& neglected issues in Kashmir which India & Indian wish it go away .
Pakistan has made it its cornerstone of relation with India .India feeling that as soon as generations of past die ,new generations brought up on Indian version of History will defend it like its own.And so the saga goes with no saint & demon but both sides burning there bridge to a position of no retreat.
The Other Arabia
#92
``I had done kind of strange things with it once...but what`s new;)
Re. Arab women, not to worry...I was told real hot stories, and it does not seem like they are twiddling their thumbs while waiting.... ``
F.V.
HHmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Besides `ladies Finger` do you know the other name common in USA for `Bhindi` is ???
And do you get any thing else in mumbai `Bhindi Bazar `;-)
Posted by
Roshan
Apr 23, 2003 07:56 pm
#92
``I had done kind of strange things with it once...but what`s new;)
Re. Arab women, not to worry...I was told real hot stories, and it does not seem like they are twiddling their thumbs while waiting.... ``
F.V.
HHmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Besides `ladies Finger` do you know the other name common in USA for `Bhindi` is ???
And do you get any thing else in mumbai `Bhindi Bazar `;-)
Doctors or the Disease
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#18 by arjun_m on April 23, 2003 7:44am PT
``Are you kidding me? Even Laloo knows better than to try something as stupid as Kargil....Mushy and the paki army get their butts kicked in Kargil and are still hailed as the only hope for Pakiland. What would happen if they actually won a single battle for a change.
``
Arjun
laloo mayawati mulayam are laughing stock of india
If losing your chjief ministers `gaddi` ignomarusly & shamefully is smartness then i hope you achieve deportation under 3 strike rule of california.........good luck proving your intelligence .
British were not fools to rule all over the world without sun setting but knew who were to follow orders peons clerks chaprasi mali and who could be executives !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by
Roshan
Apr 23, 2003 07:56 pm
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#18 by arjun_m on April 23, 2003 7:44am PT
``Are you kidding me? Even Laloo knows better than to try something as stupid as Kargil....Mushy and the paki army get their butts kicked in Kargil and are still hailed as the only hope for Pakiland. What would happen if they actually won a single battle for a change.
``
Arjun
laloo mayawati mulayam are laughing stock of india
If losing your chjief ministers `gaddi` ignomarusly & shamefully is smartness then i hope you achieve deportation under 3 strike rule of california.........good luck proving your intelligence .
British were not fools to rule all over the world without sun setting but knew who were to follow orders peons clerks chaprasi mali and who could be executives !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Our Racism
#5 by Studebaker on April 18, 2003 2:17pm PT
Dont be to much embarrased by these name calling .
Either you are too sensitive or you have NOT developed tolerence for others intolerence.
Rascism like all human inadequacies anger hate hunger thirst isnt confined to any country continent or group .
It is truely everywhere but we should be always vigilant
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#5 by Studebaker
``Rascism like all human inadequacies anger hate hunger thirst isnt confined to any country continent or group .``
Absolutely - doesn`t make it right though
Zia Bhai
OH REALLY !!!where did you read anyone saying rascism was ``RIGHT THOUGH``
If you show the same defect in fighting rascism as in incompletely reading before responding you cant win anything .Your limited knowlege & experience is reflected in beating about the bush from the real problem which is literacy reading writing rithmetic..............You are Mad at backwardness of the country and lashing out at wrong target.
Posted by
Roshan
Apr 23, 2003 02:45 pm
#5 by Studebaker on April 18, 2003 2:17pm PT
Dont be to much embarrased by these name calling .
Either you are too sensitive or you have NOT developed tolerence for others intolerence.
Rascism like all human inadequacies anger hate hunger thirst isnt confined to any country continent or group .
It is truely everywhere but we should be always vigilant
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#5 by Studebaker
``Rascism like all human inadequacies anger hate hunger thirst isnt confined to any country continent or group .``
Absolutely - doesn`t make it right though
Zia Bhai
OH REALLY !!!where did you read anyone saying rascism was ``RIGHT THOUGH``
If you show the same defect in fighting rascism as in incompletely reading before responding you cant win anything .Your limited knowlege & experience is reflected in beating about the bush from the real problem which is literacy reading writing rithmetic..............You are Mad at backwardness of the country and lashing out at wrong target.
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