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Preventing More Lal Masjids
Posted by echoboom Jul 13, 2007 08:19 pm
Preventing More Lal Masjids
Posted by echoboom Jul 13, 2007 11:11 am
Do I smell a sentimentalist behind that faux-granite facade of hamidm2`s Mount-Rush-more! fault line?

You`ll be an ace mascot for Usama-bin-laden..once you convert.

The Mulla ( good word use it often) in you is screaming & kicking to be delivered by a quick Caliphian ( as opposed to Caesarian)
Preventing More Lal Masjids
Posted by echoboom Jul 13, 2007 10:50 am
The jackal is on its way to town

Debate: Will Musharraf survive

the Lal Masjid crisis?


CNN-IBN



The dead bodies at Pakistan’s Lal Masjid have been cleared, but the blood stains on its soil and the bullet marks on its walls are still there and very prominent.

In his own country General Musharraf is now “trapped” and torn between owing allegiance to United States and dealing with the radical gunpowder that’s getting ready in Islamabad.

Musharraf used force, after negotiations failed to bring order at Lal Masjid. But the Pak media and a good majority of political experts smell foul play. They say that the negotiations were successful, but Musharraf wanted to appease China and US and thus he ordered the killings at Lal Masjid.



Musharraf claims all those killed in the masjid were militants. However, the claims have not gone down with a majority of public in Pakistan.
The question is will General Pervez Musharraf survive the crisis?


Pakistan’s former tourism minister Nilofer Bakhtiar, Executive Editor, GEO TV Hamid Mir, Senior Journalist, Saeed Naqvi and Former Indian High Commissioner to Pakistan, G Parthasarathy discussed the issue on CNN-IBN Face the Nation.
Will General Pervez Musharraf survive the crisis?
In a recorded message to his country on state television, Musharraf said on Thursday that terrorism will be rooted out and misuse of mosques or madrassas will not be tolerated.

He justified the attack that killed 73 militants and 10 commandos and blamed Lal Masjid militants for bringing shame on the country for abducting 7 Chinese earlier.



Though the Pak troops have cleared the Lal Masjid and most of the dead have been buried, there are rumblings of protest and questions about General Musharraf`s future.



Musharraf acknowledged in his address, that the tribesman in the frontier provinces may protest, but the majority of Pakistan is behind him. He now also has the threat of Ayman Al Zawahiri ringing in his ears. The Al Qaeda`s number two has called upon Pakistanis to rise in revolt against Musharraf.



“Most of the Pakistanis are of view that this action was avoidable,” said Executive Editor, GEO TV Hamid Mir.
“People are aghast at the way this whole drama was maneuvered. They want to know who was behind this whole stand off in the first place. The Lal Masjid is just a kilometer away from the ISI headquarter, the President’s House and the parliament house. It was a big intelligence failure. Yet there is no proper probe, action, no announcement about those officials who are responsible for the security lapse in Pak capital,” he added.


``>Some are of view that Musharraf staged this whole drama and let the radicals concentrate in the mosque because he wanted to kill them and please America, added Hamid Mir.


http://www.ibnlive.com/news/debate-will-musharraf-survive-the-lal-masjid-crisis/44819-2.htm``>
FULL REPORT.
Preventing More Lal Masjids
Posted by echoboom Jul 12, 2007 08:02 pm
Urstruly:
the tears flowing are not because being faint of heart
they rae there to nurtue & nourish the cold stone-hearts.


Let me give you more

Yeh Matam-i vaqt kee ghaeRee hai


Kaheen naheeN hai,
KaheeN bhhee naheeN lahoo kaa suuraagh,
naa dUst-i naakhun-i quatil, Naa aasteeN pay nishaaN
naa suurkhee-i lUb-i khanjar, na rUNG-e noak-i sinaaN
Naa khaak pUr koee dhabbaa, naa baam pUr koee daaGH
KaheeN naheeN hai, KaheeN bhee naheeN lahoo kaa suraaGh
naa sUrf-i khidmat-i shahaaN, keh khoon bahaa daitay
naa deeN kee nazr , keh bai-aana-e jazaa daitay
naa razm Gaah meiN barsaa, keh mo`tbir hotaa
kisi alam pay raquam ho kay mushtahir hotaa
puukartaa raha bay aasra yateem lahoo
kisi ko bah`r samaa`at naa vaqt thha naa dimaaGh

...........Naa muuddaee naa shahdat hisaab paak huaa
yeh khoon-i khaak nasheenaaN thha. Rizqu-e khaak huaa.
................................................................................................................FAIZ.
Preventing More Lal Masjids
Posted by echoboom Jul 12, 2007 04:56 pm
#472 by aslam644
as sheakspeare put it ``man does not live by bread alone``


That is Toraath sir.....the asli tay vaddi communist-manifesto. You can run, but you cannot hide.

Religion is in the DNA of humans.... Ooons Ooons are psych-clones: just look at the resident shrink.



From the Bible, Deuteronomy 8: 2-3 (King James Version):

And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the Lord doth man live.
Preventing More Lal Masjids
Posted by echoboom Jul 12, 2007 10:02 am
Zeemax:418

Without the benefit of having listened to the said interview...

here is my understanding.

..``description came from. Perhaps it is from Qura`an.``

concept is not un-quranic but not the description.

He has put the concept of the secular & the sacred, of spirit & letter, of body & soul, of church and state in a very succinct and profound manner.

.

Ghalib`s verse is more about death being not the end all...and just as a new life comes out of an egg..and we remember not anything prior to that, so another life is lying in wait for us when we get released from the prison of the body ( another egg--really)

I wish Umer Murtaza was reading this because he had painted this concept after his studies in advanced biology & not even being aware of Ghalib`s verse.

Preventing More Lal Masjids
Posted by echoboom Jul 12, 2007 09:21 am

``How did our oil get under their sand?`` .

Stop the Terrorists Before They Start a War on Iraq

Preventing More Lal Masjids
Posted by echoboom Jul 12, 2007 07:12 am
Zeemax:

Please check # 278
Preventing More Lal Masjids
Posted by echoboom Jul 11, 2007 11:47 pm
In gratitude
to



GT

Zeemax
Folio
Kaalchakra
bjkumar
philosoher
Salim
hamidm2
masadi
PM
Urstruly
arjun2
anil
HP

and any one missed inadvertantly


A presentation of four lines by Ghalib , with such a foresight ,for echoboom.



tr:

The mountain unable to bear (you) should echoboom when you call
Such be your demeanor, O jumped spark, to be whatever you be
Like an egg, (our)present life-- a prison! sans feathers, sans wings.
Life really begins anew , once (we are) released from this prison(egg)










Preventing More Lal Masjids
Posted by echoboom Jul 11, 2007 12:47 pm
Kabhhee hUm bhhee khoobsoorat thhay: isi Pakistan meiN
and no one was blaming Gandhi or Jinnah then circa 1955



and then this was banned because this was the sonicboom which once iot entered the eardrums of the KanjarR elite made then deaf.

It has been since then that everybody has learned the mantraa of ``giving`` freedom to bark ( the ``West`` has done it, we`ll do it too) and now everyone is free to bark.................
and the kanjarR elite has learned to use their deafness in a very sophisticated way.

`` Kuutnay haiN! in ko bhonknay doa--kaatnay naa doa
jubb bhee yeh sUR uTThaae-en, gira doa zameen pUR
Amreeka ko bhee dikhaao iss azaadee kaa hunar
Yeh bhoanktay haiN kitnaa ubb hUR screen PUR``






Preventing More Lal Masjids
Posted by echoboom Jul 10, 2007 08:57 pm
Salim:74 :)

You guys make me feel worth something...

Well the muffler , in my opinion, has been wrapped around the ears of those not silenced.

It is not so much the silencer but the catlytic converter, really, because of which i am consuming more gas.

thank God, it is laughing gas. :)

Zahraj:
`` tuum itnaa jo muuskura rahay ho
hunsee hamaari UurRa rahay ho?``

WELCOME thrice O bird of spring.
What Lies Beneath: Dispatch from the Frontlines of the Burqa Brigades
Posted by echoboom Jul 10, 2007 08:36 pm


Battered Musharraf playing with fire




Farzana Shaikh on Pakistan’s worst crisis for 36 years


President Musharraf is in a bind. Amid the bloody devastation caused by his
decision to storm the Red Mosque in Islamabad, he will be seeking
desperately to salvage his reputation. The badly battered military ruler of
Pakistan needs to be seen as a bastion against extremism if he is to win
support from his Western allies, especially the United States.



But Musharraf’s actions in power have set Pakistan dangerously off course. The
appeasement policies of successive regimes – cultivating Islamist groups to
shore up their fragile legitimacy – have bedevilled the country. It now
faces its worst crisis since the secession of Bangladesh in 1971.



Musharraf’s confused handling of the Red Mosque crisis is likely to be central
to his own demise. First, he laid siege to it and issued an ultimatum to the
radicals inside “to surrender or die”. Then he suddenly announced he was
ready to negotiate to save hundreds of women and children held hostage
inside the mosque. However, the mediators in these negotiations were hardly
neutral players: Musharraf turned for help to the Pakistani Ulema Council, a
private body of religious scholars that last month announced a special award
for Osama bin Laden in retaliation against the decision to knight Salman
Rushdie.




Overseeing their efforts was Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain, head of the
pro-government party, the Pakistan Muslim League. He is known for agreeing
to demands by Islamic religious parties last year to dilute legislation that
would have amended religious laws discriminating against women.

Not surprisingly, fears resurfaced that Musharraf was poised once again to
appease Muslim extremists. Nor would these concerns be misplaced. Since
entering into a series of controversial peace agreements with tribal
militants in the border areas of North and South Waziristan in 2005-06,
Musharraf has turned a blind eye to the Islamist activities. Stern warnings
from the United States of the risk that appeasement posed to Afghanistan
went unheeded. So too did alarm bells inside Pakistan announcing “creeping
Talebanisation”.



It was just a matter of time before Islamic radicals, emboldened by this
apparent lack of resolve, tried their hand at bringing vigilante justice to
the streets of the capital. Indeed, it was just such an attempt that brought
the Red Mosque and its militants into headlong confrontation with Musharraf.
In so doing they finally breached the cordial relations between the Red
Mosque and Pakistan’s military high command, which date back to the 1980s.



Pakistan’s military ruler at that time, General Zia ul-Haq, was instrumental
in forging these ties. He approved the expansion of the Red Mosque, in the
heart of the capital, and entrusted its administration to Maulana Abdullah,
an obscure hardline cleric from the Deobandi sect. In return Abdullah
promised to enlist recruits for the jihad against Soviet troops in
Afghanistan.



Soon the mosque, along with its two madrassas, emerged as the first port of
call for jihadi groups, notably al-Qaeda. Through much of the 1990s the Red
Mosque also enjoyed the patronage of the country’s premier intelligence
agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI). Its headquarters are located
a stone’s throw away from the mosque, which served as a convenient meeting
point for ISI members.




The events of 9/11 ruptured this cosy arrangement. Musharraf’s decision to
launch a military operation against the Taleban in the tribal areas incurred
the wrath of Abdullah’s family. Though Abdullah himself had been killed by
gunmen in 1999, his sons, Maulanas Aziz and Ghazi, killed yesterday during
the attack on the Red Mosque, assumed his jihadi mantle – this time in
opposition to the regime. They issued fatwas banning Muslim funeral rites
for Pakistani soldiers killed in action against the Taleban and endorsed
calls for Musharraf to be killed.



The response to these naked challenges to Musharraf’s authority was muted, if
not indulgent. Early this year when Red Mosque students seized control of a
children’s library in protest against the planned demolition of illegally
constructed mosques in the capital, Musharraf reacted by laughing off what
he described as the antics of “kids”. Not even a sustained campaign by
extremists to kidnap policemen, raid homes and ransack commercial
properties, in an effort to “cleanse” the capital of “vice dens”, could stir
the Government to action. It justified its restraint saying it feared
suicide attacks.



The tipping point came with the abduction in June of seven Chinese workers
accused by the militants of running a brothel. This was followed by the
killing of three more Chinese nationals by Islamist militants in Peshawar,
in the North West Frontier Province, two days before the mosque was finally
stormed.



The attacks triggered an unusually angry response from China, an influential
investor in Pakistan. The United States also cautioned Musharraf against any
deal involving safe passage for the militants – a sticking point that
finally led to the collapse of the negotiations and the recourse to force.



The question now is whether Musharraf’s strategy will pay off. He is heir to a
well-established legacy of close cooperation between Islamist groups and a
military that has ruled the country for more than half its history. Even if,
in time, the Islamists are defeated, they are unlikely to go down without a
fight. The cost to Musharraf could be incalculable.
Preventing More Lal Masjids
Posted by echoboom Jul 10, 2007 04:48 pm
AN INSIDER``S REPORT


Ghazi Abdul Rasheed Martyred In Cold Blood Along with 1000 Lal Mosque Students
Jul 10, 2007

By Ahmed Jan | Jihad Unspun Pakistan Correspondent In Islamabad



Islamabad: In news just in, Ghazi Abdul Rasheed has been martyred along with 1000 Brothers and Sisters in the final assault by the apostate Pakistani forces, revealing the worst massacre in history of the nation by the infidel state machinery against innocent believers.



Ghazi Abdul Rasheed was bunkered down inside the basement of the Jamia Hafsa Madrassah and was commanding the resistance from there. While wounded due to bullet wound on his leg, commandoes arrived and asked him to surrender. It is reported that the commandoes were in direct communication with Musharraf at that moment. On his refusal to surrender he was shot at point blank range and he embraced his greatest desire martyrdom. It was widely believed that even had he surrendered, he would have been killed to cover up the details of the Lal Mosque tragedy. Rasheed claimed that after his martyrdom the regime’s forces would stuff the weapons inside themselves to prove their false claims. This is exactly what is going on today’s night.




His elderly mother who was also severely wounded due to bullet shots has also attained martyrdom along with his two aunties and many other family members. His body has been moved out and is being taken to undisclosed location. It is believed that he was martyred during the early phases of operation before noon when he was talking to the media on mobile phone and he said that the commandoes were already approaching him and his martyrdom was certain. To give the false impression of fierce resistance, this news was revealed until this evening.



While a few students fled, most the remaining students were gunned down. Contrary to previous reports, there were very few weapons found inside the mosque and only a handful of students had Kalashnikovs. There were no foreign fighters as was widely expected and it is unclear how many students still remain inside.



According to the reports from anonymous sources citing volunteers of a relief agency who had a chance to go inside the complex, there are so many bodies of martyrs in rooms of the Madrassah that it is hard to walk even. Some sources put the figure around 1000 that includes daughters and sons of Islam slaughtered in cold blood.



It reveals the worst massacre in history of the nation committed by the apostate state machinery against innocent believers whose only crime was that they demanded Islamic Law. Their bodies are being moved out and sent to cold storages and several water tankers have been moved into the area to wash the scene of any evidence of massacre before opening up the area for the media scrutiny tomorrow.



This is a developing story. A complete report is forthcoming with fresh details as they happen, inshaAllah. (JUS)



And say not of those who are slain in the way of Allah; ``They are dead.`` Nay, they are living, though ye perceive (it) not. Quran 2:154




To Allah we belong and to Allah we shall return.
Preventing More Lal Masjids
Posted by echoboom Jul 10, 2007 03:45 pm
Kalachakra:39

thanks for your encouraging sentiments.

about UP...will do E & O. E

Philosopher:56

Thanks a lot.

and I`m fine as well.
What Lies Beneath: Dispatch from the Frontlines of the Burqa Brigades
Posted by echoboom Jul 10, 2007 09:24 am
#599 by rf786
``
Besides, the Governor of Punjab, civil and military officials including high officials of Army, Navy and Air Force were also present in the prayer.``


Haaaa Haaaa Haaaa.
They were on duty..and they were getting paid while pocketin savaab on the side.

Just wait to see how the Cantonment & colony canines will muzzle Muslims from offering prayers for the Ghazi-Shaheed ( are you even aware of the powderkeg this name carries now?)..but the inheritors of the legacy of the Britto Baboons have been doing such stuff since 1857.

The war of Independence is not over.

Kanjaroons will not be be given respite to live with their westoxicated minds.
What Lies Beneath: Dispatch from the Frontlines of the Burqa Brigades
Posted by echoboom Jul 10, 2007 08:18 am
Zeemax Just c/p & highlight:


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