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The Gap: Can the USA and Islam Bridge It?
The piss-slurping margarine-muslim of the Franciscan order will be really delighted he did.
http://shamshad-cr.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/shabnam_1949_mukesh_shamshadbegum_tumahareliyehuyebadnaam_qjalalabadi_sdburman.mp3
Posted by
echoboom
May 10, 2006 01:03 pm
If the link at #30 doesn`t work, then please cut-&-paste this for an insiders version of the dialogue between Musharraf & Bush. The piss-slurping margarine-muslim of the Franciscan order will be really delighted he did.
http://shamshad-cr.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/shabnam_1949_mukesh_shamshadbegum_tumahareliyehuyebadnaam_qjalalabadi_sdburman.mp3
Awaaz Dey KahaaN Hay
``he was neither a Mussalman, nor a Hindu nor Christman but one belonged to all mankind. ``
or he was a decent muslim, who respected hindus, muslims, christians as well as those who who spare not even a solemn occasion to spew their venom--for example, a heeng-hugging* ``hindu`` like yourself.
*not an english word.
Posted by
echoboom
May 6, 2006 04:55 pm
kamath:4``he was neither a Mussalman, nor a Hindu nor Christman but one belonged to all mankind. ``
or he was a decent muslim, who respected hindus, muslims, christians as well as those who who spare not even a solemn occasion to spew their venom--for example, a heeng-hugging* ``hindu`` like yourself.
*not an english word.
The Alternative Muslim Identity
1. Dr Javaid Iqbal--son of Allama Iqbal, Justice of the Supreme Court, well-known & highly respected ...denied a US visa [ later `explained` away as technicality]. He withdrwas his application.
2. An ex-admiral/commander of Pakistan Navy is strip-searched in US embassy--Commander withdraws application for visa.
All this happened just a month or two ago.
And here it was NOT a question of granting a VISA, it was of denying an exit-visa & then with-holding of a Pakistani Passport. The Passport is owned by the Pakistan, & never by the holder.[ that is why he is called a p-holder). An alien power forces a soveriegn nation to hand over its property to one of its citizerns. And it DOES! Can anone be more Khusraa and kanjaRR than that. If you are a muslim and a Pakistani; has not the rape of Maee-i-Millat sullied & tainted all? Is it not the english-westernised ``educated`` ones who are the rapists lurking behind every block, pillar and square of Defence, Gulberg, and Cantonement colonies. Are these Mullah neighborhoods?
The Mai-azam of Pakistan, raped by the ``elites``(by english-speaking types mind you, not by any mullah) reported to authorities by a Mullah, convicted by a Shariat court & overtuned conviction by the Haraamzadaa ``secular`` court. Such things are NOT highlighted by the drunk-debauched adulterers who ALAYS are the ones who are involved in such rapes. So was in Shazia Khalid`s case.
ALL the rapists were from elite anglo-schooled background. The Afeesur class, the landed-gentry class` the civil service calss. They looked walked & talked similar to what the NGO & westoxicated scum here on chowk. IN short , the ones who dread the shariah`s koaRRas & Ticktikee in Pakistan. IF the punishments are meted out like in Iran, Malaysia, Saudia, Sudan,, Nigeria then their own adulterous & harami lifestyle will come into question. This is exactly what that kanjRREE Asma-Jehangir said to Amy Goodman.
And MukhtaraaN Mai said to Amy Goodman ( to the question is rape rife in Pakistan): It is just like it is anywhere in the world.
What a noble woman indeed that she doen not use the opportunity to badmouth Islam & Pakistan.
And here the Khusraa-KanjarRR is crowing as if he has sighted the christmas moon.
Suddenly the Master`s receive phone calls from their agents , the westernised NGO`s from Pakistan, and now Mushharraf is the new-mullah on the block.Nothing whatsoever will be acceptable to these Promoters & purveyors of alternate-orifficedom except to become just one of them, their masters & mistresses.
One phonecall from the planet-of-the-apes & the U-turn monkey starts gyrating and voila--
makes a U-turn.
He is programmed to listen to dandaa; is that not a wage-earning ``career soldier`` supposed to do? He is no mullah, he is no mujahid--his education was in english, by the english, for the english.
No wonder the Khusraa, HeejRRa, Znkhaas are happy to continue the rape of their Mai
by propping her as a mascot for their own merlot-munaafique agenda ( nudge nudge `` I too, drink; I too, cruise--they still call me a muslim``)
Posted by
echoboom
Jun 22, 2005 09:51 am
The KanjaRR-Khusraa nexus.1. Dr Javaid Iqbal--son of Allama Iqbal, Justice of the Supreme Court, well-known & highly respected ...denied a US visa [ later `explained` away as technicality]. He withdrwas his application.
2. An ex-admiral/commander of Pakistan Navy is strip-searched in US embassy--Commander withdraws application for visa.
All this happened just a month or two ago.
And here it was NOT a question of granting a VISA, it was of denying an exit-visa & then with-holding of a Pakistani Passport. The Passport is owned by the Pakistan, & never by the holder.[ that is why he is called a p-holder). An alien power forces a soveriegn nation to hand over its property to one of its citizerns. And it DOES! Can anone be more Khusraa and kanjaRR than that. If you are a muslim and a Pakistani; has not the rape of Maee-i-Millat sullied & tainted all? Is it not the english-westernised ``educated`` ones who are the rapists lurking behind every block, pillar and square of Defence, Gulberg, and Cantonement colonies. Are these Mullah neighborhoods?
The Mai-azam of Pakistan, raped by the ``elites``(by english-speaking types mind you, not by any mullah) reported to authorities by a Mullah, convicted by a Shariat court & overtuned conviction by the Haraamzadaa ``secular`` court. Such things are NOT highlighted by the drunk-debauched adulterers who ALAYS are the ones who are involved in such rapes. So was in Shazia Khalid`s case.
ALL the rapists were from elite anglo-schooled background. The Afeesur class, the landed-gentry class` the civil service calss. They looked walked & talked similar to what the NGO & westoxicated scum here on chowk. IN short , the ones who dread the shariah`s koaRRas & Ticktikee in Pakistan. IF the punishments are meted out like in Iran, Malaysia, Saudia, Sudan,, Nigeria then their own adulterous & harami lifestyle will come into question. This is exactly what that kanjRREE Asma-Jehangir said to Amy Goodman.
And MukhtaraaN Mai said to Amy Goodman ( to the question is rape rife in Pakistan): It is just like it is anywhere in the world.
What a noble woman indeed that she doen not use the opportunity to badmouth Islam & Pakistan.
And here the Khusraa-KanjarRR is crowing as if he has sighted the christmas moon.
Suddenly the Master`s receive phone calls from their agents , the westernised NGO`s from Pakistan, and now Mushharraf is the new-mullah on the block.Nothing whatsoever will be acceptable to these Promoters & purveyors of alternate-orifficedom except to become just one of them, their masters & mistresses.
One phonecall from the planet-of-the-apes & the U-turn monkey starts gyrating and voila--
makes a U-turn.
He is programmed to listen to dandaa; is that not a wage-earning ``career soldier`` supposed to do? He is no mullah, he is no mujahid--his education was in english, by the english, for the english.
No wonder the Khusraa, HeejRRa, Znkhaas are happy to continue the rape of their Mai
by propping her as a mascot for their own merlot-munaafique agenda ( nudge nudge `` I too, drink; I too, cruise--they still call me a muslim``)
Anarkali
We do need translations of literature from our great & glorious heritage. Thanks for an an admirable effort. Psychotic-lityleechURRs have an aversion to such subjects. Ignore them--always.
Some trivia you & others might find interesting.
DilAraam: was a name given by Saleema Begum, Akbar`s first wife. DilAraam`s original name was Ram Pyaari. She was from Beekanair, and was presented to Akbar as a gift. The real purpose was to remove her from Beekanair, where she, only 10, was already was a sensation as a dancing girl & had snared the son of the Commander of Beekanair. When the Commander went to her house to rescue his son, she almost snared the Commander. It was the commander`s wife who suggested the ``solution``.
Akbar appointed her as Saleema begum`s chamber-maid. Saleem was 13 and she was 10.
It was in that chamber one morning when she was arrangind for the Begum`s bath that she ran into Saleem. Saleem was of course not as worldlywise as Dilaraam. They became teenage `friends` and she taught him stuff which Saleem could not have acquired from the best of the teachers.
This was the first love for both of them. It is but natural that DilaAraam considered him hers
and her`s only.
Saleem, when he turned 15, was betrothed & wedded to Kumari Maan bai, daughter of Bhagwan Daas. She was 10.
DilAraam, still hoped that she could still be a second third or fourth wife, as per the Sharia
and continued to scheme and dream to become a wife and a favourite of Saleem. Such was not the case with saleem who spent most of the time with the dark-damsel, his wife, and sidelined DilaAraam.
Fifteen months into the marriage, destiny played its trump card.
Zaryaab was a trader Merchant from Tashquand. A dancing girl fell in love with him & insisted upon him to marry her. A daughter was born. She was named Sanober. Zaryaab, her father, died within days of her birth.
Sanober was trained not only as a dancer but in all the arts & crafts military or civil as well.
Such was the muslim culture then that women, within the Zenanaa, acquired all kinds of knowledge & skills. Muslim society were not tainted & tarnished by the backward & uncouth British.
She heard that Agra is the happening place and Akbar`s palace is where true admirers are found. She, via Kabul & Lahore, arrived in Agra and gained access to an audience with Akbar. within 3 days of her arrival. She had bribed several guards.
Akbar asker their names. When he addressed Sanober , she stuttered & choked. Saleem softly said ``It is Anarkali`` but Akbar could ear him and was very pleased with this name.
So he said ``Anarkali``. She now found voice and said: `` no no my name is not Anarkali``
But Akbar said, Not at all, it is my Shaikhu baba who has given you this name. & so shall be it.
She truly, because of her ruby-red lips and motiaa-like skin, looked like an anaar-kee-kali.
Mughals, deeply soaked in poetry , as a given for muslims from Iran Turkey and Arabia
always came up with very fascinating names. Naming was not an ordinary event. A person`s scholarly & literary refinement reflected his upbringing & social standing. Even the lowliest
took pride in language-usage.
P.S: Just wanted to write 3/4 lines & got carried away. THis despite hurrying , censoring & censuring myslef that ``memory`` could mislead.
Posted by
echoboom
Jun 22, 2005 07:56 am
Naqshbandi sahib:We do need translations of literature from our great & glorious heritage. Thanks for an an admirable effort. Psychotic-lityleechURRs have an aversion to such subjects. Ignore them--always.
Some trivia you & others might find interesting.
DilAraam: was a name given by Saleema Begum, Akbar`s first wife. DilAraam`s original name was Ram Pyaari. She was from Beekanair, and was presented to Akbar as a gift. The real purpose was to remove her from Beekanair, where she, only 10, was already was a sensation as a dancing girl & had snared the son of the Commander of Beekanair. When the Commander went to her house to rescue his son, she almost snared the Commander. It was the commander`s wife who suggested the ``solution``.
Akbar appointed her as Saleema begum`s chamber-maid. Saleem was 13 and she was 10.
It was in that chamber one morning when she was arrangind for the Begum`s bath that she ran into Saleem. Saleem was of course not as worldlywise as Dilaraam. They became teenage `friends` and she taught him stuff which Saleem could not have acquired from the best of the teachers.
This was the first love for both of them. It is but natural that DilaAraam considered him hers
and her`s only.
Saleem, when he turned 15, was betrothed & wedded to Kumari Maan bai, daughter of Bhagwan Daas. She was 10.
DilAraam, still hoped that she could still be a second third or fourth wife, as per the Sharia
and continued to scheme and dream to become a wife and a favourite of Saleem. Such was not the case with saleem who spent most of the time with the dark-damsel, his wife, and sidelined DilaAraam.
Fifteen months into the marriage, destiny played its trump card.
Zaryaab was a trader Merchant from Tashquand. A dancing girl fell in love with him & insisted upon him to marry her. A daughter was born. She was named Sanober. Zaryaab, her father, died within days of her birth.
Sanober was trained not only as a dancer but in all the arts & crafts military or civil as well.
Such was the muslim culture then that women, within the Zenanaa, acquired all kinds of knowledge & skills. Muslim society were not tainted & tarnished by the backward & uncouth British.
She heard that Agra is the happening place and Akbar`s palace is where true admirers are found. She, via Kabul & Lahore, arrived in Agra and gained access to an audience with Akbar. within 3 days of her arrival. She had bribed several guards.
Akbar asker their names. When he addressed Sanober , she stuttered & choked. Saleem softly said ``It is Anarkali`` but Akbar could ear him and was very pleased with this name.
So he said ``Anarkali``. She now found voice and said: `` no no my name is not Anarkali``
But Akbar said, Not at all, it is my Shaikhu baba who has given you this name. & so shall be it.
She truly, because of her ruby-red lips and motiaa-like skin, looked like an anaar-kee-kali.
Mughals, deeply soaked in poetry , as a given for muslims from Iran Turkey and Arabia
always came up with very fascinating names. Naming was not an ordinary event. A person`s scholarly & literary refinement reflected his upbringing & social standing. Even the lowliest
took pride in language-usage.
P.S: Just wanted to write 3/4 lines & got carried away. THis despite hurrying , censoring & censuring myslef that ``memory`` could mislead.
The Alternative Muslim Identity
Never under shariah will be allowed to germinate.
This is a fact & no much how much they drool & yelp, they cannot ``out`` themselves with impunity--unless of course it is under their master`s protection.
But the master is himself losing ground.
Posted by
echoboom
Jun 21, 2005 12:51 pm
No matter how tragic the occasion, the khusraas & HijRRas use evry opportunity to promote loop-holism & alternate-orifficism under the guise of doogoodism & ``humanism``Never under shariah will be allowed to germinate.
This is a fact & no much how much they drool & yelp, they cannot ``out`` themselves with impunity--unless of course it is under their master`s protection.
But the master is himself losing ground.
Mukhtaran Mai vs. the Rest of Pakistan
toa dil siyasat-e charaaN-garan kee nazr hua.
It is these charaan-graaN (dogooders), according to Faiz above, who themselves are the biggest & most heinous criminals in Pakistan. It is their oppression & terror of an apartheid system of ``me-Mcaulay, you maulvi`` which creates their bank-balances and destroys their mental-balances.
The rape of MukhtaraN Mai is still going on. Now by the NGOs and doGooders.
After all it is the masters who always decide how rapes should be handled. They have acquired an expertise in it because that is where it happens. What they handle, they legalise it: drugs, khusraapUn,adultery, debauchery and alternate-orificedom. This is exactly what the NGOs & the dogooders are seeking.
``Mairay maalik bulaa lo washington mujhhay``--the vardee-posh dogooder, enlightened
& moderate khusraa is on his way. He has been summoned by the maalik and his orgasmic yelps in anticipation & his drooling-arse is all over the international multimedia.
Posted by
echoboom
Jun 21, 2005 10:03 am
agar jarahat-e Quatil sey bakhshvaa laeytoa dil siyasat-e charaaN-garan kee nazr hua.
It is these charaan-graaN (dogooders), according to Faiz above, who themselves are the biggest & most heinous criminals in Pakistan. It is their oppression & terror of an apartheid system of ``me-Mcaulay, you maulvi`` which creates their bank-balances and destroys their mental-balances.
The rape of MukhtaraN Mai is still going on. Now by the NGOs and doGooders.
After all it is the masters who always decide how rapes should be handled. They have acquired an expertise in it because that is where it happens. What they handle, they legalise it: drugs, khusraapUn,adultery, debauchery and alternate-orificedom. This is exactly what the NGOs & the dogooders are seeking.
``Mairay maalik bulaa lo washington mujhhay``--the vardee-posh dogooder, enlightened
& moderate khusraa is on his way. He has been summoned by the maalik and his orgasmic yelps in anticipation & his drooling-arse is all over the international multimedia.
The Alternative Muslim Identity
Birds of a different feather
Who try to fcuk-fly together
Not an NGO story
The machinations of an egged-on feminist
For all its striking appearance and mellifluous song, the koel is a slothful creature. It abdicates its responsibility to build nests, incubate eggs and nurture hatchlings. What is worse, it saddles the crow with all these ``chores``.
The commie menifesto of destruction of family & State ownership of ova/sperm
The koel and the cuckoo [USA], on the other hand, seem to have no qualms about ``foisting`` what is their duty on to other birds. This sly nature has rightly earned these birds the dubious identity - ``brood parasites``.
How the ``smart`` crows [remember Blacksheep schooled] are used by Cuckoos[the supposedly ``stupid`` ones]
``Being the brood parasite of the crow, the koel`s breeding cycle synchronises with that of the crow - between late March and mid-September, with a peak between May and July,`` says Gurusami. ``It has been scientifically determined that external stimuli is required for birds to be ready for reproduction. Once the external stimuli is in place, the hypothalamus of the brain nudges the pituitary gland to release hormones, which in turn excite the gonads into secreting necessary hormones for successful reproduction. For the koel, it is likely that the sight of crows gathering nest material and building nests is one of the external stimuli for gonadal development.``
How the US handles this
The koel may be short on industry, but is long on deviousness. When the female koel is gravid, the male koel, by dint of vociferous cries, catches the nest-guarding crow`s attention; the crow is thus impelled to launch an ``attack``[al-quaeda; Iraq!] on the male koel. The crow is soon led on a fruitless chase through the trees [nice doggie! good doggie] . In reality, the koel is taking the crow up the garden path; as the gravid female koel loses no time in laying her eggs in the unguarded crow`s nest. All this happens like greased lightning.
Is it nature which makes some slaves take slavery into an artform?
Even after this episode, the game of deception continues unchecked, because Nature is the koel`s biggest ally. The koel`s egg is a dead ringer for that of the crow.
The crows , smart as they are, keep thinking of one day turning white, so they forget where their children are
``Both the koel`s and crow`s eggs are grey-green with rusty brown markings. The koel`s egg is marginally smaller than that of the crow. But crows, unlike birdwatchers, do not measure eggs and therefore, there is no danger of egg rejection due to size variance,`` laughs Gurusami.
The chickens leave home to rousabout
Nature helps the koel in many more ways. Where hatchlings are concerned, the koel is quicker off the block than the crow. The koel`s egg hatches in about 14 days, but the crow`s egg takes 18 to 20 days to crack up. Since the koel (hatchling) sees the light of day faster, it can gorge on all the food the foster crows bring to the nest. The koel nestling grows stronger and so has an edge over the crow nestling in the battle for survival.
and here comes the munafiques & panderers to alternate-orifficedom
The crow`s cawing can set one`s teeth on edge, but the koel`s call is dulcet. Though it may like its own voice, the koel nestling has to keep its vocal chords in check if it has to continue in the crows` nest. ``Koel nestlings (of both sexes) seem to appreciate the dictum ``silence is golden`` and remain silent throughout their stay in the foster crows` nest. Rejection by foster crows on the basis of alien vocalisation means starvation to death or, worse still, ending up in the crow`s stomach,`` says Gurusami.
A Manji, a Harisi, a rushdie, A naumani is born
But soon Nature catches up with the koel nestlings. When the koels are reasonably grown up - the birds show their true colours, literally.
How the Cuckoos[ supposedly stupid ones] fool the Crows [ supposedly smart ones]
And before the foster crows have reasons to look them up and down, the young koels fly the nest. Remember, they are shrewd right from the cradle (crow`s nest, in this case).
moral:
Siaana Kavva goo khata hai. `` It is the crow which ends up eating shit``
Posted by
echoboom
Jun 20, 2005 10:35 am
A bird story.Birds of a different feather
Who try to fcuk-fly together
Not an NGO story
The machinations of an egged-on feminist
For all its striking appearance and mellifluous song, the koel is a slothful creature. It abdicates its responsibility to build nests, incubate eggs and nurture hatchlings. What is worse, it saddles the crow with all these ``chores``.
The commie menifesto of destruction of family & State ownership of ova/sperm
The koel and the cuckoo [USA], on the other hand, seem to have no qualms about ``foisting`` what is their duty on to other birds. This sly nature has rightly earned these birds the dubious identity - ``brood parasites``.
How the ``smart`` crows [remember Blacksheep schooled] are used by Cuckoos[the supposedly ``stupid`` ones]
``Being the brood parasite of the crow, the koel`s breeding cycle synchronises with that of the crow - between late March and mid-September, with a peak between May and July,`` says Gurusami. ``It has been scientifically determined that external stimuli is required for birds to be ready for reproduction. Once the external stimuli is in place, the hypothalamus of the brain nudges the pituitary gland to release hormones, which in turn excite the gonads into secreting necessary hormones for successful reproduction. For the koel, it is likely that the sight of crows gathering nest material and building nests is one of the external stimuli for gonadal development.``
How the US handles this
The koel may be short on industry, but is long on deviousness. When the female koel is gravid, the male koel, by dint of vociferous cries, catches the nest-guarding crow`s attention; the crow is thus impelled to launch an ``attack``[al-quaeda; Iraq!] on the male koel. The crow is soon led on a fruitless chase through the trees [nice doggie! good doggie] . In reality, the koel is taking the crow up the garden path; as the gravid female koel loses no time in laying her eggs in the unguarded crow`s nest. All this happens like greased lightning.
Is it nature which makes some slaves take slavery into an artform?
Even after this episode, the game of deception continues unchecked, because Nature is the koel`s biggest ally. The koel`s egg is a dead ringer for that of the crow.
The crows , smart as they are, keep thinking of one day turning white, so they forget where their children are
``Both the koel`s and crow`s eggs are grey-green with rusty brown markings. The koel`s egg is marginally smaller than that of the crow. But crows, unlike birdwatchers, do not measure eggs and therefore, there is no danger of egg rejection due to size variance,`` laughs Gurusami.
The chickens leave home to rousabout
Nature helps the koel in many more ways. Where hatchlings are concerned, the koel is quicker off the block than the crow. The koel`s egg hatches in about 14 days, but the crow`s egg takes 18 to 20 days to crack up. Since the koel (hatchling) sees the light of day faster, it can gorge on all the food the foster crows bring to the nest. The koel nestling grows stronger and so has an edge over the crow nestling in the battle for survival.
and here comes the munafiques & panderers to alternate-orifficedom
The crow`s cawing can set one`s teeth on edge, but the koel`s call is dulcet. Though it may like its own voice, the koel nestling has to keep its vocal chords in check if it has to continue in the crows` nest. ``Koel nestlings (of both sexes) seem to appreciate the dictum ``silence is golden`` and remain silent throughout their stay in the foster crows` nest. Rejection by foster crows on the basis of alien vocalisation means starvation to death or, worse still, ending up in the crow`s stomach,`` says Gurusami.
A Manji, a Harisi, a rushdie, A naumani is born
But soon Nature catches up with the koel nestlings. When the koels are reasonably grown up - the birds show their true colours, literally.
How the Cuckoos[ supposedly stupid ones] fool the Crows [ supposedly smart ones]
And before the foster crows have reasons to look them up and down, the young koels fly the nest. Remember, they are shrewd right from the cradle (crow`s nest, in this case).
moral:
Siaana Kavva goo khata hai. `` It is the crow which ends up eating shit``
Mukhtaran Mai vs. the Rest of Pakistan
The entire exercise is to use every possible opportunity, even this heinous rape victim, helped by a mulla and conviction of the animals by A SHARIAT COURT, to promote their NGO secularist/humanist Satanic agenda of westoxification of muslims.
It is the westernised tumor of Pakistan which needs to be gouged out & removed so that the nation can be healthy again. Iran like, that day is drawing nearer by the day. Their master himself is no longer respected , but is rather reviled & hated in the international press.
The Ba Ba Blacksheep, Rushdic racoons, is the trashy-class in the muslim world.
Thie illiterates who cannot read Qaumi Zuban can only be pitied. They are no different than a Pakistani villager who cannot understand colonial-lingo.
Posted by
echoboom
Jun 19, 2005 11:56 pm
While the marginal, margarine and munafique muslims are trying to wriggle & wiggle their way out of the Book and busy discovering loop-holes to establish the society of alternate-oriffices to become better dogooders. The entire exercise is to use every possible opportunity, even this heinous rape victim, helped by a mulla and conviction of the animals by A SHARIAT COURT, to promote their NGO secularist/humanist Satanic agenda of westoxification of muslims.
It is the westernised tumor of Pakistan which needs to be gouged out & removed so that the nation can be healthy again. Iran like, that day is drawing nearer by the day. Their master himself is no longer respected , but is rather reviled & hated in the international press.
The Ba Ba Blacksheep, Rushdic racoons, is the trashy-class in the muslim world.
Thie illiterates who cannot read Qaumi Zuban can only be pitied. They are no different than a Pakistani villager who cannot understand colonial-lingo.
Cold Flesh
It is not a given that whatever Manto wrote deserves attention. This would have been another of his myriad mediocre writings, if it was not for the ``charges``. Despite the gems he produced, the man certainly had a penchant for sensational & narcissism. All his stories which made him popular were the ones which were censured. TTS became popular because of the commie lobby & for its pandering to the `humanists`.
This story, in particular, is bereft of any skill craft or art.
Godot:
what is this?:.``.. Eesher Singh dropped his dagger on the floor and lied in bed...``
Lied in bed? Is there another way to say what you mean. [e.g..lay down in bed]
also: instead of word dagger , you should have used kirpan & explained it with an aestrisk. It is a
ritual religious weapon & the significance of that is important.
It is a good exercise on your part and I think all translations must be welcomed for whatever they are worth but should not be taken very seriously by the readers.Those who have read this in original would be unduly harsh for forgiveable reasons and those who have not would either not know the difference or will get the `gist` of it & go for content rather than form.
It is time that an urdu/hindvi section be provided at CHOWK so that Desis can really feel at home.
Does anybody know how one can install unicode so that the entire microsoft system
is available in urdu. Someone said it can be done but didn`t know how. I just abhor to send emails in english to Desis.
Posted by
echoboom
Jun 18, 2005 09:41 am
Maudlin MantoIt is not a given that whatever Manto wrote deserves attention. This would have been another of his myriad mediocre writings, if it was not for the ``charges``. Despite the gems he produced, the man certainly had a penchant for sensational & narcissism. All his stories which made him popular were the ones which were censured. TTS became popular because of the commie lobby & for its pandering to the `humanists`.
This story, in particular, is bereft of any skill craft or art.
Godot:
what is this?:.``.. Eesher Singh dropped his dagger on the floor and lied in bed...``
Lied in bed? Is there another way to say what you mean. [e.g..lay down in bed]
also: instead of word dagger , you should have used kirpan & explained it with an aestrisk. It is a
ritual religious weapon & the significance of that is important.
It is a good exercise on your part and I think all translations must be welcomed for whatever they are worth but should not be taken very seriously by the readers.Those who have read this in original would be unduly harsh for forgiveable reasons and those who have not would either not know the difference or will get the `gist` of it & go for content rather than form.
It is time that an urdu/hindvi section be provided at CHOWK so that Desis can really feel at home.
Does anybody know how one can install unicode so that the entire microsoft system
is available in urdu. Someone said it can be done but didn`t know how. I just abhor to send emails in english to Desis.
Advani in Karachi
Making the Quaid-e-Azam dance on a pinhead may be a good pastime but it is science & technolgy which deserve our respect and attention today rather than soc/pol/econ/psycho
``kala-ilm`` or voodoo-knowledge.
No matter how much the secularist bang their heads , no muslim would ever accept secularism in Pakistan. No matter what spin is put on the word secularism, the accepted definition in peoples mind is secularism=kufr. It is always the meanings which gain currency which are the true meanings & never the literal or dictionary meanings. remember gay?
Even if , in some muslims` opinion, India is not true 100% secular (which country is now anyway?,after the communist collapse) it is still Quaid`s dream come true--albeit in the wrong place. A lot of liberal/secular types have already moved there , why don`t more of such people do the same.
Pakistan & Islam are synonymus. One makes a fool of oneself when one tries to do intellectual-jugglery.
Posted by
echoboom
Jun 11, 2005 08:28 pm
Intellectual Archeology is a waste of time energy and resources. Pakistan can ill-afford it.Making the Quaid-e-Azam dance on a pinhead may be a good pastime but it is science & technolgy which deserve our respect and attention today rather than soc/pol/econ/psycho
``kala-ilm`` or voodoo-knowledge.
No matter how much the secularist bang their heads , no muslim would ever accept secularism in Pakistan. No matter what spin is put on the word secularism, the accepted definition in peoples mind is secularism=kufr. It is always the meanings which gain currency which are the true meanings & never the literal or dictionary meanings. remember gay?
Even if , in some muslims` opinion, India is not true 100% secular (which country is now anyway?,after the communist collapse) it is still Quaid`s dream come true--albeit in the wrong place. A lot of liberal/secular types have already moved there , why don`t more of such people do the same.
Pakistan & Islam are synonymus. One makes a fool of oneself when one tries to do intellectual-jugglery.
Advani in Karachi
.......``You suffer from reading comprehension problems``..........
Ever since you put Jinnah in the dock, here , you have said this sentence to so many jurors; so I don`t feel insulted anymore.
Jinnah is dead. He is NOT relevant to Pakistan anymore. The ``smart`` leadership of Pakistan (& by default the people) started putting into action the plans they were hatching to get even with Jinnah once the case was won.
Jinnah did NOT do anything for the muslims of India except conduct a court trial in full public glare and used the pious innocent sentiments of muslims to bolster the defence of his clients: The rich Navaabs, Jaagirdaars, Seths, and the anglicised-scum--the upper class, the elite, the Mcaulay-sirsRRyal productions inc.
He as a brilliant lawyer, like Cochrane in OJSimpson trial, showed his mettle and he did it with his trademark class elan and honesty.
Once the ``prisoners`` were released the ones who had become so accustomed to being spoon-fed & hand-holding [ the above elite--the clients] they expected the poor guy to live forever and continue to do the thinking & working on their behalf. You see this class of muslims were basically goondaas--they were not used to work. Their only concern was jobs, property, and business. With hindus they could not compete on merit [ hindus by their diligence,dedication, `tapassyaa`, & ironically `caste`..can`t do anything but learn--have to no choice... were far far better &much less hostile to muslims than their fellow tyrants in Panjab & Sindh.
A human cannot be everything: The best lawyer mostly is a worse judge or executive; the top-salesman is usualy the worst Finance manager. Jinnah died immediately after, and that was a blessing for him because he died with his boots on & while still at the top.
This thankless nation which has produced nothing but Kuttay kay pillay for the last 150 years , bred in the kennels of McCaulay and Sir SrryalKhan and continuing to provide service to their western masters.
But the creation of Pakistan, despite the nefarious plans of the anglicised scum, has been a great blessing for muslims of Pakistan as well as India. They keep the ``issue`` alive. They ain`t going anywhere. They were , always have been, and always will be guided by mullahs, the maulvis, and the maulanaas. That contituency never ever belonged to a ``secularised`` politician nor does it now. They are being led & guided, as they have always been for the last 1100 years by this same great class. Even emperors like Akbar & Aurangzeb had to pay homage to them. You think these tuuchha & punk democracy-dramas are any match for them in learning & street smarts?
and if this gives you any comfort, I have no official/unofficial affiliation with anything remotely connected to Indo-Pak politics, instituitions, or parties, .... (insert whatever in blank)
Jinnah was like the captain of a cricket team. Muslims consider the game ``secular`` but if a muslim is a captain in British team or India team--he is foremost a muslim & NOT a cricketer. Jinnah led a good team. He won for muslims and that was good.
The game is over. Man canot live on cricket; he also has to go home, mosque, work and bank. Jinnah would have been a hopeless executive. Thank God he died so soon, otherwise
the clients [elite] would have dragged his frail body on the streets of Karachi.
In short: he was hired by drug-dealers, pimps & prostitutes ; the whole neighborhood knew
what they stood for. They hired the best lawyer in the Empire. The lawyer, for whatever reason symphatised with their plight or just relished the idea to win a tough case, served these clients only too well.
The clients, evil that they were (are) , thought that now the lawyer will ask for fee. This they
never wanted to pay. Lucky for them, he died. How the clients dragged his sister out and how they ``performed`` is yet another story about these Clients.
Talqueen-i aitbaar voh farmaa rahai-haiN aaj
Rah-i vafa mein khud jo kabhee moat-bir na thhay
Nairangee-e siyasat-e dauraaN toa daikhiyay
manzil unhaiN milee jo shareek-i safar naa thhay.
Mohsin Bhopali
tr:
Now look who is preaching about trustworthiness
The one`s whose own word was worth nought
The irony of the current day political-pursuit is
the ones who never travelled...arrived first!
Posted by
echoboom
Jun 9, 2005 03:28 pm
Mantolives:398.......``You suffer from reading comprehension problems``..........
Ever since you put Jinnah in the dock, here , you have said this sentence to so many jurors; so I don`t feel insulted anymore.
Jinnah is dead. He is NOT relevant to Pakistan anymore. The ``smart`` leadership of Pakistan (& by default the people) started putting into action the plans they were hatching to get even with Jinnah once the case was won.
Jinnah did NOT do anything for the muslims of India except conduct a court trial in full public glare and used the pious innocent sentiments of muslims to bolster the defence of his clients: The rich Navaabs, Jaagirdaars, Seths, and the anglicised-scum--the upper class, the elite, the Mcaulay-sirsRRyal productions inc.
He as a brilliant lawyer, like Cochrane in OJSimpson trial, showed his mettle and he did it with his trademark class elan and honesty.
Once the ``prisoners`` were released the ones who had become so accustomed to being spoon-fed & hand-holding [ the above elite--the clients] they expected the poor guy to live forever and continue to do the thinking & working on their behalf. You see this class of muslims were basically goondaas--they were not used to work. Their only concern was jobs, property, and business. With hindus they could not compete on merit [ hindus by their diligence,dedication, `tapassyaa`, & ironically `caste`..can`t do anything but learn--have to no choice... were far far better &much less hostile to muslims than their fellow tyrants in Panjab & Sindh.
A human cannot be everything: The best lawyer mostly is a worse judge or executive; the top-salesman is usualy the worst Finance manager. Jinnah died immediately after, and that was a blessing for him because he died with his boots on & while still at the top.
This thankless nation which has produced nothing but Kuttay kay pillay for the last 150 years , bred in the kennels of McCaulay and Sir SrryalKhan and continuing to provide service to their western masters.
But the creation of Pakistan, despite the nefarious plans of the anglicised scum, has been a great blessing for muslims of Pakistan as well as India. They keep the ``issue`` alive. They ain`t going anywhere. They were , always have been, and always will be guided by mullahs, the maulvis, and the maulanaas. That contituency never ever belonged to a ``secularised`` politician nor does it now. They are being led & guided, as they have always been for the last 1100 years by this same great class. Even emperors like Akbar & Aurangzeb had to pay homage to them. You think these tuuchha & punk democracy-dramas are any match for them in learning & street smarts?
and if this gives you any comfort, I have no official/unofficial affiliation with anything remotely connected to Indo-Pak politics, instituitions, or parties, .... (insert whatever in blank)
Jinnah was like the captain of a cricket team. Muslims consider the game ``secular`` but if a muslim is a captain in British team or India team--he is foremost a muslim & NOT a cricketer. Jinnah led a good team. He won for muslims and that was good.
The game is over. Man canot live on cricket; he also has to go home, mosque, work and bank. Jinnah would have been a hopeless executive. Thank God he died so soon, otherwise
the clients [elite] would have dragged his frail body on the streets of Karachi.
In short: he was hired by drug-dealers, pimps & prostitutes ; the whole neighborhood knew
what they stood for. They hired the best lawyer in the Empire. The lawyer, for whatever reason symphatised with their plight or just relished the idea to win a tough case, served these clients only too well.
The clients, evil that they were (are) , thought that now the lawyer will ask for fee. This they
never wanted to pay. Lucky for them, he died. How the clients dragged his sister out and how they ``performed`` is yet another story about these Clients.
Talqueen-i aitbaar voh farmaa rahai-haiN aaj
Rah-i vafa mein khud jo kabhee moat-bir na thhay
Nairangee-e siyasat-e dauraaN toa daikhiyay
manzil unhaiN milee jo shareek-i safar naa thhay.
Mohsin Bhopali
tr:
Now look who is preaching about trustworthiness
The one`s whose own word was worth nought
The irony of the current day political-pursuit is
the ones who never travelled...arrived first!
Advani in Karachi
Please clarify:
1. Do you, based on what you have learned from Quaid-iAzam, would ``Shoot down all proposals ........of the inclusion of Quran and Sunnah being part of the constitution.......``?
Am I right, then , in concluding that you are advocating a contstituiton where Quraan & Sunnah should not be SUPREME AUTHORITY.
2.``a secularist himself, qualified to make the sharia law of an Islamic state. ``
Do I understand that you are in favour of the Sharia Law of an Islamic State or only if a non-muslim makes it?
Simple direct answers much appreciated please.
Theories aside:
Are you suggesting that we should find loop-holes, do nudge-nudge-wink-winks [ as perhaps Quaid did his smoke & mirrors to hoodwink the muslims by using Islam as a rallying slogan only] so as to establish a state where Quraan will NOT be the supreme authority?
Could you please put these thoughts in a letter to english/urdu major newspapers . If the avaam ( the ones who really matter; not even the Quaid) decide to express their sentiments, would you still think that the secularist/liberal/humanist types know more than what the avaam want.
Are you, God forbid, an elitist?
Did you ever sign that affidavit about Mirza Ghulam ? for travel or any other purpose?
Did you do it as expediency or you really agree with the contents of the affidavit but not necessarily with the procedure.
or you got your passport etc. as a non-muslim & refuse to sign that form.
Is Najam Sethi a Quadiani? Is Jugnu a Quadiani or hindu? or are they the usual, no deen-o-eemaan, westarnished dogs, the cartoon was about in WP.
Please share ( or not, if you don`t want not)
Posted by
echoboom
Jun 9, 2005 12:45 pm
Mantolives:Please clarify:
1. Do you, based on what you have learned from Quaid-iAzam, would ``Shoot down all proposals ........of the inclusion of Quran and Sunnah being part of the constitution.......``?
Am I right, then , in concluding that you are advocating a contstituiton where Quraan & Sunnah should not be SUPREME AUTHORITY.
2.``a secularist himself, qualified to make the sharia law of an Islamic state. ``
Do I understand that you are in favour of the Sharia Law of an Islamic State or only if a non-muslim makes it?
Simple direct answers much appreciated please.
Theories aside:
Are you suggesting that we should find loop-holes, do nudge-nudge-wink-winks [ as perhaps Quaid did his smoke & mirrors to hoodwink the muslims by using Islam as a rallying slogan only] so as to establish a state where Quraan will NOT be the supreme authority?
Could you please put these thoughts in a letter to english/urdu major newspapers . If the avaam ( the ones who really matter; not even the Quaid) decide to express their sentiments, would you still think that the secularist/liberal/humanist types know more than what the avaam want.
Are you, God forbid, an elitist?
Did you ever sign that affidavit about Mirza Ghulam ? for travel or any other purpose?
Did you do it as expediency or you really agree with the contents of the affidavit but not necessarily with the procedure.
or you got your passport etc. as a non-muslim & refuse to sign that form.
Is Najam Sethi a Quadiani? Is Jugnu a Quadiani or hindu? or are they the usual, no deen-o-eemaan, westarnished dogs, the cartoon was about in WP.
Please share ( or not, if you don`t want not)
Advani in Karachi
“ Now, I think we should keep that in front of us as our ideal and that you will find that in course of time Hindus would cease to be Hindus and Muslims would cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense, because that is the personal faith of each individual, but in political sense as citizen of the state”.
Addressing the Punjab Muslim League Conference on November 18, 1942
he assured the religious minorities that ‘their rights would be fully safeguarded according to the injunctions from highest authority, namely Quran, that a minority must be treated justly and fairly’.
How could a secular person consider Quran as highest authority?
It is pertinent to note that Quaid-i-Azam made distinction between the Islamic and western concepts of democracy, justice, liberty, fraternity and equality. He either prefixed Islam with the term or qualified by saying ‘as enjoined by Islam’
Addressing the officers and men of the 5th Heavy Ack Ack and 6th Light Ack Ack Regiments in Malir on February 21, 1948
“You have fought many a battle on the far-flung battle fields of the globe to rid the world of the Fascist menace and make it safe for democracy. Now you have to stand guard over the development and maintenance of Islamic democracy, Islamic social justice and equality of manhood in your own native soil”.
Quaid-i-Azam’s wrote to Gandhi in 1944
“The Quran is a complete code of life. It provides for all matters, religious or social, civil or criminal, military or penal, economic or commercial. It regulates every act, speech and movement from the ceremonies of religion to those of daily life, from the salvation of the soul to the health of the body; from the rights of all to those of each individual, from punishment here to that in the life to come”.
Quaid-i-Azam’s address to the Civil, Naval, Military and Air Force officers on October 11, 1947 at Karachi.
“ The establishment of Pakistan for which we have been striving for the last ten years is, by the grace of God, an established fact today, but the creation of a State of our own was means to an end and not the end in itself. The idea was that we should have a State in which we could live and breathe as free men and which we could develop according to our own lights and culture and where principles of Islamic social justice could find freeplay.
Broadcast talk to the people of the United States of America in February 1948
“The constitution of Pakistan has yet to be framed by the Pakistan Constituent Assembly. I do not know what the ultimate shape of this constitution is going to be, but I am sure that it will be of a democratic type, embodying the essential principles of Islam. Today, they are as applicable in actual life as they were 1300 years ago. Islam and its idealism have taught us democracy. It has taught equality of man, justice and fairplay to everybody”.
Speech at Sibbi Darbar on February 14, 1948
“It is my belief that our salvation lies in following the golden rules of conduct set for us by our great law giver, the Prophet of Islam. Let us lay the foundation of our democracy on the basis of truly Islamic ideals and principles. Our Almighty has taught us that our decisions in the affairs of the State shall be guided by discussions and consultations”.
In his last public address on the occasion of the opening ceremony of the State Bank of Pakistan on July 1, 1948 he said
“I shall watch with keenness the work of your Research Organization in evolving banking practices compatible with Islamic ideals of social and economic life. The economic system of the West has created almost insoluble problems for humanity and to many of us it appears that only a miracle can save it from disaster that is now facing the world. It has failed to do justice between man and man and to eradicate friction from the international field. On the contrary, it was largely responsible for the two world wars in the last half century. The Western world, in spite of its advantages of mechanization and industrial efficiency is today in a worse mess than ever before in history. The adoption of Western economic theory and practice will not help us in achieving our goal of creating a happy and contented people. We must work our destiny in our own way and present to the world an economic system based on true Islamic concept of equality of manhood and social justice. We will thereby be fulfilling our mission as Muslims and giving to humanity the message of happiness and prosperity of mankind.
Quaid-i-Azam addressing the lawyers of Karachi on January 25, 1948:
...`` understand a section of the people who deliberately wanted to create mischief and made propaganda that the Constitution of Pakistan would not be made on the basis of Shariat ... Islamic principles today are as applicable to life as they were 1,300 years ago ... Islam is not only a set of rituals, traditions and spiritual doctrines. Islam is also a code for every Muslim which regulates his life and his conduct even in politics and economics and the like”.
So MantoLives, in the light of all above.
Would you accept Qura`an as the fountainhead & HIGHEST AUTHORITY of legal political social cultural etc etc or not even though it contradicts your understanding of secularism or you think that this fountainhead contravenes and is in conflict with your understanding of secularism.
Even if you do not, even then according to the HIGHEST AUTHORITY, as explained by Quaid-i-azam, you will still enjoy full rights & equality as citizen of an Islamic State.
Whether you say yes or no, this discussion would be finally over because then we will understand each other better.
Posted by
echoboom
Jun 9, 2005 06:29 am
Quaid on August 11, 1947“ Now, I think we should keep that in front of us as our ideal and that you will find that in course of time Hindus would cease to be Hindus and Muslims would cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense, because that is the personal faith of each individual, but in political sense as citizen of the state”.
Addressing the Punjab Muslim League Conference on November 18, 1942
he assured the religious minorities that ‘their rights would be fully safeguarded according to the injunctions from highest authority, namely Quran, that a minority must be treated justly and fairly’.
How could a secular person consider Quran as highest authority?
It is pertinent to note that Quaid-i-Azam made distinction between the Islamic and western concepts of democracy, justice, liberty, fraternity and equality. He either prefixed Islam with the term or qualified by saying ‘as enjoined by Islam’
Addressing the officers and men of the 5th Heavy Ack Ack and 6th Light Ack Ack Regiments in Malir on February 21, 1948
“You have fought many a battle on the far-flung battle fields of the globe to rid the world of the Fascist menace and make it safe for democracy. Now you have to stand guard over the development and maintenance of Islamic democracy, Islamic social justice and equality of manhood in your own native soil”.
Quaid-i-Azam’s wrote to Gandhi in 1944
“The Quran is a complete code of life. It provides for all matters, religious or social, civil or criminal, military or penal, economic or commercial. It regulates every act, speech and movement from the ceremonies of religion to those of daily life, from the salvation of the soul to the health of the body; from the rights of all to those of each individual, from punishment here to that in the life to come”.
Quaid-i-Azam’s address to the Civil, Naval, Military and Air Force officers on October 11, 1947 at Karachi.
“ The establishment of Pakistan for which we have been striving for the last ten years is, by the grace of God, an established fact today, but the creation of a State of our own was means to an end and not the end in itself. The idea was that we should have a State in which we could live and breathe as free men and which we could develop according to our own lights and culture and where principles of Islamic social justice could find freeplay.
Broadcast talk to the people of the United States of America in February 1948
“The constitution of Pakistan has yet to be framed by the Pakistan Constituent Assembly. I do not know what the ultimate shape of this constitution is going to be, but I am sure that it will be of a democratic type, embodying the essential principles of Islam. Today, they are as applicable in actual life as they were 1300 years ago. Islam and its idealism have taught us democracy. It has taught equality of man, justice and fairplay to everybody”.
Speech at Sibbi Darbar on February 14, 1948
“It is my belief that our salvation lies in following the golden rules of conduct set for us by our great law giver, the Prophet of Islam. Let us lay the foundation of our democracy on the basis of truly Islamic ideals and principles. Our Almighty has taught us that our decisions in the affairs of the State shall be guided by discussions and consultations”.
In his last public address on the occasion of the opening ceremony of the State Bank of Pakistan on July 1, 1948 he said
“I shall watch with keenness the work of your Research Organization in evolving banking practices compatible with Islamic ideals of social and economic life. The economic system of the West has created almost insoluble problems for humanity and to many of us it appears that only a miracle can save it from disaster that is now facing the world. It has failed to do justice between man and man and to eradicate friction from the international field. On the contrary, it was largely responsible for the two world wars in the last half century. The Western world, in spite of its advantages of mechanization and industrial efficiency is today in a worse mess than ever before in history. The adoption of Western economic theory and practice will not help us in achieving our goal of creating a happy and contented people. We must work our destiny in our own way and present to the world an economic system based on true Islamic concept of equality of manhood and social justice. We will thereby be fulfilling our mission as Muslims and giving to humanity the message of happiness and prosperity of mankind.
Quaid-i-Azam addressing the lawyers of Karachi on January 25, 1948:
...`` understand a section of the people who deliberately wanted to create mischief and made propaganda that the Constitution of Pakistan would not be made on the basis of Shariat ... Islamic principles today are as applicable to life as they were 1,300 years ago ... Islam is not only a set of rituals, traditions and spiritual doctrines. Islam is also a code for every Muslim which regulates his life and his conduct even in politics and economics and the like”.
So MantoLives, in the light of all above.
Would you accept Qura`an as the fountainhead & HIGHEST AUTHORITY of legal political social cultural etc etc or not even though it contradicts your understanding of secularism or you think that this fountainhead contravenes and is in conflict with your understanding of secularism.
Even if you do not, even then according to the HIGHEST AUTHORITY, as explained by Quaid-i-azam, you will still enjoy full rights & equality as citizen of an Islamic State.
Whether you say yes or no, this discussion would be finally over because then we will understand each other better.
Advani in Karachi
Quaid-i-Azam : A paragon of virtue & principles. A follower of the Sharia & British law in letter and spirit.
The story about how he chastised Q.U. Shahab, when Shahab purloined a letter from a very secret Govt. file. That letter was intended to harm the muslims in Bengal. When Quad-i-Azam was given that letter by Shahab, in the hope of praise & admiration, Shahab was shocked that instead he was rebuked, admonished and warned. He was not only asked to put the letter back but also to apprise of his bengali-hindu superior about what he had done & apologise and if need be face the music.
Shahab did. His apology was accepted.
There are so many instances of his imoeccable honesty.
My brother by Fatima Jinnah.
``a section in Fatima Jinnah`s book My Brother narrates a story about Quaid-e-azam when he lived with an English family while studying as a law student at Lincolns Inn in London. at that time if youve seen his pictures he indeed was a charming and handsome young man. the landlady had a daughter and there was a christmas party and Jinnah and the young girl ended up under a mistletoe...as per tradition they were reqd to kiss, and the girls insisted upon it, but Jinnah refused and walked away explaining it was against his teachings...``
Posted by
echoboom
Jun 8, 2005 05:26 pm
and this is the Quaid-i-Azam who is being painted as a secular/liberal/humanist by those who have a seething hatred for non-canine muslims.Quaid-i-Azam : A paragon of virtue & principles. A follower of the Sharia & British law in letter and spirit.
The story about how he chastised Q.U. Shahab, when Shahab purloined a letter from a very secret Govt. file. That letter was intended to harm the muslims in Bengal. When Quad-i-Azam was given that letter by Shahab, in the hope of praise & admiration, Shahab was shocked that instead he was rebuked, admonished and warned. He was not only asked to put the letter back but also to apprise of his bengali-hindu superior about what he had done & apologise and if need be face the music.
Shahab did. His apology was accepted.
There are so many instances of his imoeccable honesty.
My brother by Fatima Jinnah.
``a section in Fatima Jinnah`s book My Brother narrates a story about Quaid-e-azam when he lived with an English family while studying as a law student at Lincolns Inn in London. at that time if youve seen his pictures he indeed was a charming and handsome young man. the landlady had a daughter and there was a christmas party and Jinnah and the young girl ended up under a mistletoe...as per tradition they were reqd to kiss, and the girls insisted upon it, but Jinnah refused and walked away explaining it was against his teachings...``
Advani in Karachi
It seems the century of U-turns has set in. First Musharraf, then Advani. Maybe USA will now recall all her occupying-army from across the globe, dump its nuclear arsenal and abandon its evil space mission.
Or maybe Pakistan, India and China are planning & preparing a final showdown for the ``West``.
Now that the west has been stripped of its veneer of ``civilisation``, has been bared & now is running naked across the playingfield.
But Advani will no longer stay in BJP; that is my reading.
BJP as a part is finished. It will be taken over by a very extremist group and the ``secular`` card will no longer be played. The ``Pakistanisation`` of Indian politics has begun.
Posted by
echoboom
Jun 8, 2005 02:08 pm
Post 9/11--2001It seems the century of U-turns has set in. First Musharraf, then Advani. Maybe USA will now recall all her occupying-army from across the globe, dump its nuclear arsenal and abandon its evil space mission.
Or maybe Pakistan, India and China are planning & preparing a final showdown for the ``West``.
Now that the west has been stripped of its veneer of ``civilisation``, has been bared & now is running naked across the playingfield.
But Advani will no longer stay in BJP; that is my reading.
BJP as a part is finished. It will be taken over by a very extremist group and the ``secular`` card will no longer be played. The ``Pakistanisation`` of Indian politics has begun.
Advani in Karachi
and this burries that coffin:
The nefarious & vile agenda of secularism & westernism espoused in the name of the father of the national is not only despicable but also an attempt to take Islam out of the constituition of Pakistan. That will never be accepted by muslims, no matter what the liberals, secularists, or westarnished harp.
Posted by
echoboom
Jun 7, 2005 10:08 pm
The final nail in the coffin of `` The Quaid-e-Azam was a secularist``and this burries that coffin:
The nefarious & vile agenda of secularism & westernism espoused in the name of the father of the national is not only despicable but also an attempt to take Islam out of the constituition of Pakistan. That will never be accepted by muslims, no matter what the liberals, secularists, or westarnished harp.
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