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Posted by Fosa Dec 3, 2003 09:13 am

#19 by ballukhan on December 3, 2003 1:40am PT
Against the strict determinism of Naqshabandi

Why not instead od torturing our SCROLL...post the web Site u are ashamed to mention or then may be URL to give us option to choose ?????????????????

Can Science Survive?

Posted by Fosa Dec 2, 2003 01:53 pm

Sayz in the Article:

``wants to acquire rational knowledge, one knows how to go about it. If a person wants to become a civil engineer, for example, (s)he will go to an engineering college to acquire the required knowledge. Afterwards, (s)he will be able to design bridges, after acquiring sufficient training and practical experience, design dams, airports, et,,``

10%uslims Paki do not have to be foolish l to think that we have to re invent WhEEL.

Knowlege is built on pre existing knowlege by osmosis and diffusion..

No hindu how much hoarse they cry of Having Fathered zero or ramanujam ..i did not hear of Ramanujam untill i had passed all advanced and calculus that needed to be known .No hindu can block use of zero in u r equation nor can an y christian charge royalty for newton or Archimedes or Faraday or Galileo!!!!!!!

U r contentionof Engineering college and Civil engineer is WRONG ..First think to day needed is CAPITAL ..not techs .they ae hired in droves by Middle East for money ....

Those that have capital lik M.E. Saudie have Roads buildings better than Pakistan which has NDE And Engineers

India has millions of Engineers getting money enough to just feed himself even

not as well fed as Burger flipping high school drop out JOCK of footbal and IRAQ veteran of 10 years !!!!!!

I dont know why you worry about how many engineers and doctors you have ...just give me few pioneer thinkers and Innovators like Bill gates Steve allen Andrew Cosgrove and all the Million Code cooloies are here to Assembel or work under direction of MAsters ..

Did million code colies invent INTERNET ,Windows ,Intel ????????

Yet india is producing most number of engineers and I.T. TECHS ???????

Same in medicine ,Chemistry ,Physics ,....India cannot claim to have done INDEGENOUSLY the Bomb ,the Steel or Refineries .ITS ALL learning by `ROTE `from teachers and Authors original out side India .....I know i had teacheres who had copied european Text books in there Names by Printing it in INDIA ..That still is not being Scientists or pioneer or inventor or Innovator ...

Among Billions there is few instances of Jagadish Bose ,few others who were close to being german ,brit or european original pioneer but nothing that pakistan acciording to its 1/7 th size is not .....Pakistanis minature India nothing to Apologise FOR ??????????

To Be Or Not To Be Home?

Posted by Fosa Nov 30, 2003 06:33 pm

#33 by Subroto on November 30, 2003 6:56am PT
RE # 15 Mr Fosa
``The DOWRY Culture of INDIA singularly has given rise to REBOUND phenamenon of resurgent zeal among south asian woman to ``EARN`` as if then they will be ``WORTH`` SOMthing ...

POOR SouthAsian Men like Subroto ...have to be victim of this ``complex Inferioisu`` of South Asian WIFES!!!!!!! ``

Gee this is the first time I learnt about my dowry, you can probably tell me where I can claim it from.
Sometimes its not just about the money. For some reason school teachers are not amongst the highest paid workers but they still love their jobs. But still it was interesting to know that South Asian wives work because of ``complex Inferioisu``, would really be interested in knowing why women from other cultures work.

Ah! Come back to Chowk after an absence and the lovely welcome one gets, nice to know one is missed.

Subroto
HEARTy WElcome to you Da Da

I am totally sorry for mis writing the way it came out in haste

I know you did not take dowry nor it is as bad as in North india, Punjab /South india

All my Bengali Hindu friend never were part of it and i like them for it as also being nON hindutva as far as i knew them!

I was speaking of many women in North india where dowry burning ,foeticides and misogyny of widowhood (benares) is prevalent

I dont believe in IMMITATING USA or EUROPE model of women work force in PLANNED way

First there is no FULL or Close to ADEQUATE employment for men the cultural (arbitrally though) chosen as Head of the household who primarily is RESPONSIBLE for HIS family .

West And USA started to Pool inWomen first during the WAR when MAN POWER was short at DEFENCE INDUSTRY factories and `Rosie The Rivetter` Image of Aggresive Biceps flexing No Nonsense IMAGHE of women was CLONED. Since then everything progressed from routine utilization of women in all mens JOB b/c Women were more OBEDIENT to Factory or Corporation no less merciless than HUSBAND poor Doubly Indenitified for being the only disposable entity between the feeding hand of CEO and Wife having matured out after birthing `and waht a dissapointing `sex life ` with husband which she never really liked in he first place !

Kalapini Komkali & Shewta Jhaveri

Posted by Fosa Nov 29, 2003 02:53 pm

#22 by ballukhan on November 28, 2003 6:00am PT
Anybody- Please convince me that music is not haram in Islam. I am about to throw away all the musical instruments from my house just as Aurangazeb did it to my fore fathers- I am also going to destroy all the Dhrupad in praise of Indian Gods; and all Dhamars depicting the love life of Krishna in order to PURIFY my life tainted with the music of KAFIRISTAN.

The Religion of Islaam has made clear the prohibition of Music, as is clear from the Qur`aan, ahaadeeth of the Messenger and the understanding of the Companions , when all three are taken together.

From the Qur`aan:

Allaah says, what means: ``Do you marvel at this statement, and laugh and do not weep, while you amuse yourselves [proudly] in vanities ? Rather, prostrate before Allaah and worship Him [alone].`` [Surah An-Najm (The Star) Verse 59 to 62 ]

According to Ibn Abbaas , the word `saamidoon` in this verse refers to the mushrikeen`s habit of singing and playing music noisily whenever they heard the Qur`aan being recited, in order to drown out the reciters voice so that others wouldn`t hear it.

Also, Allaah says (regarding Satan) what means: ```And excite any of them whom you can with your voice. Assault them with your cavalry and infantry, be a partner with them in their wealth and children, and make them promises.` But Satan promises them nothing except deceit.`` [Surah Al-Isra (The Journey by Night) Verse 64]

Some of the taabi`een such as ad-Dahhaak and Mujaahid interpreted Satan`s exciting mankind with his voice to mean through the use of music, song and amusement. Ad-Dahhaak said it was the sound of wind instruments. However according to Ibn Abbaas , the voice mentioned in the verse refers to every form of invitation which calls to the disobedience of Allaah the Exalted, which seems to be the most correct interpretation.

Finally, Allaah says what means: ``And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e. music, singing, etc.) to mislead (men) from the Path of Allaah without knowledge, and takes it (the Path of Allaah, the Verses of the Qur`aan) by way of mockery. For such there will be a humiliating torment (in the Hell-fire).`` [Surah Luqman (Prophet Luqman) Verse 6]

Ibn Masood said about this verse ``I swear by the One other than Whom there is no God that it refers to singing [ghinaa].``, and he repeated this three times. Ibn Abbaas said it referred to `singing and the like` while Jaabir is reported to view its meaning to signify singing and listening to songs. Many taabi`oon such as Mujaahid, Ikrimah, Mak-hool and Umar ibn Shu`ayb viewed it as a censure of music and song.

From the ahaadeeth of the Messenger :
Contrary to the commonly held belief, there are a number of authentic narrations from the Prophetic Sunnah which clearly point to the indisputable fact that music, instruments, singing to accompaniment, etc. are objects prohibited by the Islaamic Sharia. The exceptions to this general rule are specific , limited types of innocent singing or chanting without any instrumental accompaniment or to the accompaniment of a simple hand drum (daff) on certain occasions designated by the sunnah.

Unfortunately, many Muslims entertain the misconception that all the ahaadeeth relating to music, singing and musical instruments are either weak (da`eef) or forged (mawdoo`) - a position that is untenable.

The Narration of al-Bukhaaree:
The Prophet said : ``There will be [at some future time] people from my Ummah who will seek to make lawful fornication, the wearing of silk, wine drinking and the use of musical instruments [ma`aazif]. Some people will stay at the side of the mountain and when their shepherd comes in the evening to ask them for his needs, they will say : `Return to us tomorrow`. Then Allaah will destroy them during the night by causing the mountain to fall upon them, while He changes others into apes and swine. They will remain in such a state until the Day of Resurrection.`` al-Jowhari, the author of the ancient dictionary `as-Sihaah`, asserts that ma`aazif signifies musical instruments, al-`aazif indicates one who sings, and the `azf of the wind is its voice..

Az-Zabeedi also says that ma`aazif are instruments of leisure which are drummed upon or played, like the loot (`ood) , the drum (tanboor), the small hand drum (daff) or other such musical objects.

Ibn Hajar in Fathul-Baaree relates that `azf is also used to describe singing (ghinaa).

This authentic hadeeth clearly establishes the prohibition of music and singing and this in itself is sufficient for the one who really wishes to see the Truth of the affair. However there are other authentic narrations on the subject that we quote below.

The Narration of Ibn Maajah :
The Messenger of Allaah said : ``A people of my Ummah will drink wine, calling it by other than its real name. Merriment will be made for them through the playing of musical instruments and the singing of female singers. Allaah will cleave the earth under them and turn others into apes and swine.``
This hadeeth has also been narrated by al-Bayhaaqi and ibn Asaakir, and has been authenticated by the renowned scholar of hadeeth Ibn al-Qayyim.

Narrations of Ahmed bin Hanbal :
The Messenger of Allaah said : ``Verily Allaah prohibited wine, gambling and al-koobah; and every intoxicant is prohibited.`` Sufyan said : `` I asked the narrator, Ali bin Badheemah, ` What is al-Koobah?` He answered, `It is the drum`.``

The Messenger of Allaah said : ``Verily Allaah has prohibited for my Ummah wine, gambling, a drink distilled from corn, the drum and the lute; while He supplemented me with another Prayer, the witr``

The Narration of Haakim and Others :
That the Messenger of Allaah said : ``Verily I did not prohibit weeping [per se], but rather I forbade two voices [sowtayn] which are imbecilic [ahmaq] and sinfully shameless [faajir]: one a voice [singing] to the accompaniment of musical amusement [lahw] and Satan`s [wind] instruments; the other, a voice [wailing] due to some calamity, accompanied by striking of the face and tearing of garments. But this [weeping off mine] stems from compassion, and whosoever does not show compassion will not receive it.``
This hadeeth is graded Hasan, and has been strengthened by other narrations.

The Narration of Abu Bakr ash-Shaafi`ee : Anas bin Maalik related from the Prophet that ``two cursed sounds are that of the [wind] instrument [mizmaar] played on the occasion of joy and grace, and woeful wailing upon the occurrence of adversity.``

These narrations should prove sufficient to show the illegality of music and singing to musical accompaniment to the one ``has a heart or gives ear while he is heedful.`` [Surah Qaf Verse 37].

From the statements of the Companions :
The Sahaabah were the best people after the Messenger of Allaah , and best understood the deen of Islaam as they understood it directly from the Messenger . The ijmaa` (consensus) of the Sahaabah is therefore binding upon the Muslim Ummah, as is the complete consensus of any generation of scholars on a certain religious issue.

The Companions unanimously agreed upon the prohibition of music and song but allowed particular exceptions specified by the authentic sunnah.

Do you have down laded copy from SWORD of TRUTH ready as `weapon` ISLAH against Muslims ingeneral and ARABS in particular???????????????????????????????????

PPL like you reasearch scholar at Bjp/Rss/Vhp /Bajran Dal work meticulously 24/7 year round propogatingbHatred and chiasm of DIVIDE is thanks to Eat bengali huindu (bangal) and OTHERS !!!!!!!

Yesterday’s Failures are Today’s Successes

Posted by Fosa Nov 29, 2003 02:45 pm

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32 PANKAJ

``Chowk staff was socialist/communist, it would allow my trash to be published exactly at the same frequency as temporal`s and insist that the members give my trash same respect they give to temporal`s poetry or Sameerjb/Khamkhwa`s shayari. It wont be long before this farcical arrangement collapses and the people would stop``

There is no univesal standard ..you may like Temporal you cannot speak for 10 othr chowkies who nvr read either Temporal or Your Crap ....

So what is the point of apointing yourslf as the AXIS around which all of us have to ROTATE ?????????????????????????????????????

You just want to IMITATE to day its America inthe Moghul Period you immitate MOGHULS !

Yesterday’s Failures are Today’s Successes

Posted by Fosa Nov 29, 2003 01:58 pm

``Chowk staff was socialist/communist, it would allow my trash to be published exactly at the same frequency as temporal`s and insist that the members give my trash same respect they give to temporal`s poetry or Sameerjb/Khamkhwa`s shayari. It wont be long before this farcical arrangement collapses and the people would stop``

There is no univesal standard ..you may like Temporal you cannot speak for 10 othr chowkies who nvr read either Temporal or Your Crap ....

So what is the point of apointing yourslf as the AXIS around which all of us have to ROTATE ?????????????????????????????????????

You just want to IMITATE to day its America inthe Moghul Period you immitate MOGHULS !

To Be Or Not To Be Home?

Posted by Fosa Nov 29, 2003 01:58 pm

#23hamidm
``this motherhood crap his highly overrated - let`s not forget that our prophet (pbuh), like all other well to do kids in the tribe, was raised by a wet-nanny

let`s not forget that our prophet (pbuh), like all other well to do kids in the tribe, was raised by a wet-nanny .............. his mother would not have disgraced her family by taking on this menial job ...........

Now Atcheson English GCE A lel Education shows here

Prophet was orphan adopted by Uncle abu Mutlib who remained Non muslim til death despite prostelisation ....

And yes Halima was the `wet nanny`

Not to say there no other remarkable contribution of FEMAle talent and mind but it does not give right to your wife to delegate raisingg kid disparaginglty to some illegal paki woman hungry for everything !!!!!!!

Yesterday’s Failures are Today’s Successes