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Western Feminism and South Asian Women Stuka #19,
{``Dude, we had a fairly recent example of self determination when the BJP was voted out and Congress voted in.``}

It`s great to practise self-determination for yourself. Now how about giving others, such as Kashmiris, the same right - so they can vote out the Indian occupiers and put themselves in charge of their destiny.

Your example was like saying that ``I just had a great dinner - I don`t know what you all are talking about?.`` when discussing the plight of hungry people.

Western Feminism and South Asian Women Stuka #14,
{``Who are you to instill anything in a thinking living person, man or woman?``}

Whoa! Hold on and relax. No one is talking about mind control. The ``we`` was intended as collective humanity and instill meant setting an example. What else do you think I meant by ``self-determination?`` But then, Indians don`t have much respect for self-determination.

Halur #7,
{``Where the f...k do u want south asian women to urinate, out in the open? And why should they not discuss men`s genitallia or use vulgarity, while sub-continental men are the some of the most foul mouthed in the world? ``}

Halur, do I have to draw a picture for you? Urinals pertain to men`s relief stations where men stand to urinate. In a bizarre comedy for sameness, feminists probably desire urinals for relief also. If ``sub-continental men are some of the most foul-mouthed in the world,`` then is that something that South Asian women should also aim for? On second thought, the urinals are preferable to the foul-mouthed women, in more ways than one.

General,
Please do not use massive cut & paste to obscure the issue. Let`s strive for some originality here. Thanks,

Western Feminism and South Asian Women Godot,
A timely and well-expressed article about the ``phallacies`` of Western feminisim. You articulated the real needs of South Asian women and those in other developing areas of the world. Hunger, lack of education, lack of hygiene, self-determination, and lack of access to basic modern facilities are their real problems. Freedom to use vulgarity, urinate in urinals, and openly discussing men`s genitalia, as practised by the more lunatic fringe of ``westernized`` women of South Asian origin, are not the virtues we need to instill in women all over the world. As demonstrated by the recent US election results, ``feminism,`` at least in the US has been soundly rejected by a majority of Americans. Remember, the squeaky wheel makes the most noise and usually gets the oil. Thanks for an enlightening article.

Train from Pakistan, 2004: The Return rajsinghi #127,
{``It is possible that things may have not changed that much in US when it comes to tipping by Gujratis but my understanding is, in England it has/had changed quite a lot.``}

Another stereotype bites the dust. Thanks for that important clarification. The mere thought of Gujjus parting voluntarily with money that they don`t HAVE TO give is heart-warming. There is real hope for our people then. Who knows, one day, Ahmedabad and Narodi Patya will become symbols of peace, tolerance, and love. Ameen.

Train from Pakistan, 2004: The Return tahmed #115,
{``kkandk: actually i feel cheated. instead of sticking with his story about the famed high tipping indians (as he done with the world-acclaimed indian autos he claimed to have seen cruising long on pakistani motorways), he has changed the story 180 degrees (now saying that in fact he started tipping after he saw his pakistani friends doing it).``}

Well, tahmed sahib, we need to admit that Veerish is a very fast learner. Also, though belateldy and grudgingly, he eventually, under slight pressure from you, gets his sources right. But, tipping @100%, it appears that he is also an expert at fishing. Veeresh yaar, itni chorro jitni pakri ja sake.


Sadna #113,
{``Objective comparisons of Lahore and an Indian city might indeed be illuminating - like comparing number of newspapers/readership, number of schools, colleges and universities, cultural activities and participation thereof, personal income/asset distribution, size of city budgets, civic facilities, industrial/business productivity, roads/phones, number of buses/trains/flights(domestic/international) originating, etc. ``}

Sadna, welcome back. You do make a lot of sense in this statement (I ignored the usual venom about real people and enlightened Pakistanis!). While there is no reason to compare cities, the real demand from citizens of their municipal servants should be the quality of life within the jurisdictions. Even in the US, where we have all the amenities you mentioned, I expect the local government to enforce the anti-dog doodoo laws - it is a real nuisance for many of us joggers.

But above all, it is the duty of governments to provide safety of life and property for ALL their citizens. In this case, both India and Pakistan have failed miserably. In Pakistan, apparently one cannot attend Friday prayers without fear of being blown sky high, along with the ``normally`` high rates of carjackings and kidnappings. In India, the perennial fear of communal riots and democratically-elected governments, such as Modi`s Gujarat, engaging in state-sponsored murders, rape, looting, and burning, are major ``distractions`` from an otherwise ``shining India.`` I have faith in both India and Pakistan to eventually set the course right - the only question is how many people have to suffer or die before we get to the promised land?

Train from Pakistan, 2004: The Return Saint (the esteemed advocate for Gujju) #125,
Becareful with the ``K`` word, before it gets too personal - I hope you were not referring to my 4 Ks.

You said:
{``In 1990 , 44% of India`s population lived below poverty line , compared to 20% pf Pakistan`s population. Pakistan had the higher per capita then , and ranked higher on the human development indices.
Today , 15 years later ,
23% of India`s population lives below poverty line (or 260 million) , compared to 36% of Pakistan`s. India has the higher per capita and higher human development indices.
``}

The year 1990 was approximately the time Pakistan relapsed into ``democracy.`` for another 10 years. Are you insinuating, that democratic governments in Pakistan are responsible for this huge decline in Pakistan? Have you shared this valuable statistic with Mushy? He will be greatly indebted to your research. Do you have similar data for 1958 - 1971, and 1977 - 1989 when Pakistan was under two other ``glorious`` governments? If 1947 - 1957 and 1972 - 1977 were as dismal as the 90`s, then you have a complete case for ``keeping the wardi on!``

Train from Pakistan, 2004: The Return Saint (I mean Gujju`s Lawyer, Advocate, and Vakil Ji) # 109,

Gujju (I mean your saintliness),
Yaar, why do you have to go and prove Tahmed right over and over again. We are just in the 2nd inning of Veeresh`s game and here you go with all the irrelevant stats. My head starts to spin and all I can think of is the happiness of that one Indian who goes to bed hungry, knowing that he is only one out of four while in neighboring Pakistan, his hungry counterpart is one out of three.

Train from Pakistan, 2004: The Return Mohar #104,
{``What else do you pakis want from him?? I mean, sure - he wrote more on bad/ugly parts .. but hey - he was tourist in pakiland, not switzerland!! I mean there is only so much you can write good about land of Jiahd, right?? ``}

He was a tourist in Pakiland, but not FROM Switzerland, but FROM India. ``People in glass houses, ....`` Land of Jihad is a lot better than Land of Modi`s Raiders. Anyway, this is all old hash, Veeresh`s Nishan-e-Bhaloo is in the mail.

Mohar #104,
{`` mean Jihad donation boxes still all over the place, people putting money ``just as another haffta`` or something ..... So how come you guys never squealed on that point, the way you did on his ``high-tipping Indian`` bit??? I am sure he is exagerating this one too - right?? So what`s up with that? ``}

Unlike ``high-tipping`` Indians (Pleases see Mr. Tahmed`s thesis on how Veeresh admitted to learning about high-tipping in Islamabd) bragging about their charitable deeds, we don`t talk about charity. When you give with your right hand, make sure your left hand doesn`t know about it. Also, for tax purposes, the less said the better.

Jang #103,
{``heh heh..its the dal-bhaji man. its easy to hit things right with pellets if you eat mutton, but after dal-bhaji produces a lot of gas, so give us a break huh? ``}

Precisely! How about mixing a few brussel sprouts with the dal/bhaji. Should improve the aim. Thanks for the honesty.


Mohar #102,
{``Hey, hey, hey - no need to get personal here! Maan behen people don`t go to strip clubs - not yours .... and not mine. OK, big guy?``}

Hey mo, no offense intended. Maan behen was a reference to my noble profession of protecting potentially everyone`s relative and putting my life and limb in danger in doing so. Sorry if I gave the wrong impression.
Thanks for the encouragement to continue with this Raksha.

Train from Pakistan, 2004: The Return Urstruly #101,
I hope you are not referring to the Interracial porn pic that Atif posted on his ilog. There was no poverty in that one.

Train from Pakistan, 2004: The Return Chowkies,
As we enjoy Veeresh`s observations about his surroundings in ``Lahore,`` here are some other celebrities` and near-celebs` observations about their surroundings. Here`s what they said when they saw what they saw:

Gen Custer when surrounded at Little Big Horn - TOO MANY INDIANS!
Gen Niazi when surrounded in Dacca - TOO MANY INDIANS!
Gen Nakamoto after ``British`` surrender in Singapore - TOO MANY INDIANS!
Japanese tourist after visit to Singapore - TOO MANY INDIANS!
Mrs. Pervez Musharraf after visit to Taj Mahal - TOO MANY INDIANS!
Vajpayee after losing election - TOO MANY INDIANS!
Paris Hilton after hotel/motel owners` convention - TOO MANY INDIANS!
White lady at KMART blue light sale - TOO MANY INDIANS!
Worried patient after visiting his low-cost HMO - TOO MANY INDIANS!
Exotic dancer after noticing 8 legs and only one $20 bill for lap dance - TOO MANY INDIANS!
Bill Gates at free picnic for employees - TOO MANY INDIANS!
Bill Gates at United Way charity campaign kickoff - WHERE ARE THE INDIANS?

Train from Pakistan, 2004: The Return Mr. Tahmed #73,
{``I am sure Mr. kkandk will leave his law practice and join us in raising a toast to economic progress, intellectual development, character building, women`s equality and liberty and freedom all across south asia.``}

Of course, I raise my non-alcoholic toast to all the things Mr. Tahmed hoped for BOTH India and Pakistan - only I hope for twice as much progress for Pakistan so that it can catch up with India which is only 2 decades ahead, as evidenced by Mr. Soulat`s excellent pics in #74 through #76.

Also, Mr. Tahmed, thanks for the Watusi pics. A picture is worth a thousand words, especially when celebrating ``high-tipping`` Indians - just look how happy the Watusis are.

Train from Pakistan, 2004: The Return Mohar #61,
{``You guys should give Mr Veeresh a Nishan-e-pakistan or something, for his extra-ordinary service to pakiland. ``}

Mo, you are absolutely right. For his generous ``high-tipping`` and his kind remarks about Lahore, we Pakistanis are certainly going to make Veeresh a Nishan-e-something.

Also, in post #44, you said:
{``kkk is the pu$$y-inspector-in-chief in some seedy joint - his rants don`t count ....... ``}

Mo, tumhare pas maan behen nahin hen? As a bouncer at a gentlemen`s club, I risk bodily harm to protect innocent young naked women from the onslaughts of sex-starved men. And you called me ``pu$$y-inspector-in-chief?`` I am sure you refer to gynecologists with the same cavalier disdain. I am proud of my profession and will continue to provide this Raksha to all women, including your relatives.

Train from Pakistan, 2004: The Return Veeresh Ji,
It`s obvious that the whole mess is a major misunderstanding. Because of your reputation as a ``high-tipping`` Indian, I am sure the taxi driver dropped you off in Gujranwala instead of Lahore.

Train from Pakistan, 2004: The Return Veeresh Ji,
More about trains ... because you seem to enjoy train rides and like to compare transportation in neighboring countries.
When I was traveling from Achnera (near Agra) to Bareilly, a friend of mine told me that if I wanted to see the ``real`` India, I should not travel by 1st class but in the regular one as most Indians do. While I can put up with most discomforts (it goes with the territory if you are a tourist), the visit to the restroom left me apalled. Apparently, many of these Indians were no relations to Maj. Rathore in marksmanship. While defecating, the travellers had managed to hit everything except the small hole in the ground. After that experience, I never travelled in the regular class in India again.

Train from Pakistan, 2004: The Return Veeresh Ji,
More about trains ... because you seem to enjoy train rides and like to compare transportation in neighboring countries.
When I was traveling from Achnera (near Agra) to Bareilly, a friend of mine told me that if I wanted to see the ``real`` India, I should not travel by 1st class but in the regular one as most Indians do. While I can put up with most discomforts (it goes with the territory if you are a tourist), the visit to the restroom left me apalled. Apparently, many of these Indians were no relations to Maj. Rathore in marksmanship. While defecating, the travellers had managed to hit everything except the small hole in the ground. After that experience, I never travelled in the regular class in India again.

Train from Pakistan, 2004: The Return atif #81,
Went to your ilog. Very convincing pics. Loved the one showing that India was the first to experiment with interracial porn. It was at least 20 centuries ahead of the rest of the world.