Celebrity Courts and Kangaroo Justice

#111 FarzanaVersey {``Salim, interesting that you say this. However, it is a post-Lagaan development. But the choice is almost always historical. And I do have problems with the fact that the Indian hero needs to be propped up by a kind angrez in all these films.``}

Farzana,
Yes, I have noticed that too. However, if you consider the real world, there has been a succession of ``kind angrezes`` in the evolution of Indian triumphs. Consider Lord Louis (as in Viceroy, ``but I will also be Governor-General!``); President John F. Kennedy (saving India from the big bad Chinese!); President Clinton (dancing with Rajasthani women without being impeached in the Lok Sabha!); and lately, President Bush (hugs and kisses for my man Manmohan, but a stern session of spanking Mushy in Islamabad!). Gora Sahibs have always found it their duty to patronize and advance ``little black Sambos`` in their attainment of civilized behavior, ``Christian`` names, and almost BBC English. :) Manoj Kumar, from the few old movies that I was made to watch (Karanti comes to mind) on 3rd grade video cassettes, had taken patriotism to a Muharram level.

I only BA pass.

Sane I think you are PHD or something. Not BA Pass.

Further to 111:

You might like to read Saima`s piece on Rang de Basanti....

re:#75 by ballukhan

I like what you write sir. Are u also from Amreeka? I only BA pass.
I not like this forum much. Lot of Pakastanis. I hear even editor Fasana?(same as this author Farzana?)a pakastani. Your name i think suggest you muslim but you write well and seem intelligent. So i think you Indian muslim.
My last post deleted by chowk editor because i criticise author of this artical. She write a stupid artical and she editor? not tolerate any bad comment. She have low I.Q. So i think she pakastani not indian.
I think Indian muslim more intelligent than Pakastani muslim.
I hear a doctor from London going to operate on Pramod Mahajan who shot by his own brother. This doctor is Indian muslim, world expert on liver transplant. India`s president also muslim, very learned man. Pakastani muslims mostly jehadis.

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Re: # 109:

[If I may disagree about Amir Khan a bit, I would like to state that Amir has developed a well-cultivated image of an Indian national hero. He selects his parts in movies (Mangal Pandey, Lagaan, and a few others) where he portrays the young angry fighter for Mother India. So, his campaign for the Narmada cause is not a departure from the norm. Your thoughts?]

Salim, interesting that you say this. However, it is a post-Lagaan development. But the choice is almost always historical. And I do have problems with the fact that the Indian hero needs to be propped up by a kind angrez in all these films.

Where he does play a contemporary national hero, the forces he is fighting against seem a bit wimpy. Rang de Basanti had to use a past reference of rebel heroes. And in `Sarfarosh` they used a horrendous caricature of a ghazal singer who is a Pakistani agent.

Re. his campaign being not a departure from the norm, I do not think the celluloid persona reflects the real one always, and Aamir is known to use `filmic` ideas as a marketing tool. This is what I had alluded to. It is to be seen how far he takes his involvement and how much credit he gets for his recent foray.

Don`t know how familiar you are with Hindi cinema, but Manoj Kumar always made these so-called patriotic films in which his character was named Bharat. Fortunately, in those days people may have got a bit teary-eyed, but they did not see it as stamp of nationalistic fervour. Today patriotism is chic.

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#98, FarzanaVersey {``Re: # 84:
1. Leave your filthy ideas and language to where they and you belong.
Now, learn to see the wood for the wood and the trees for the trees. But if you try and muck up the board anymore, it will not be tolerated. You are incapable of a dialogue, whereas my responses to others here and elsewhere prove that I am.``}

Farzana,
WOW! :) Now why can`t I learn to post responses in that manner?

Anyway, getting back to the topic. If I may disagree about Amir Khan a bit, I would like to state that Amir has developed a well-cultivated image of an Indian national hero. He selects his parts in movies (Mangal Pandey, Lagaan, and a few others) where he portrays the young angry fighter for Mother India. So, his campaign for the Narmada cause is not a departure from the norm. Your thoughts?

#102 by zeemax:

The Sidhu case is still being fought; it is sub-judice.

I do not think Salman`s career is finished; he has been given permission to travel abroad for his show.

I did agree with you that Indian bureaucrats havea deep-seated hatred of the wealthy; it does not mean they will not coddle up to them!

Suddenly, what Indians think of me has become important for someone who has no business to speak for Indians and who had very recently made quite an opposite comment:

``... salim chauhan , farzana versey and other hindoo rightwingers have only ONE agenda... HATE PAKISTAN and they are doing a good job...``

These are petty conspiracy theories, but one did not expect better...

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#101 by Zeena:

`Well-respected` are the people who are considered names here and who keep their distance. Certain interactors would dare not question them for that reason, whereas you are constantly in touch with them. Going by FP interacts you have not disrespected anyone, as per my knowledge. And no one has complained about you. So, do not take it as an insult, which it was not.

When I said `history of fights`, it could mean the other person doing the fighting as well.

I am explaining because you have been dragged into this only for interacting. I hope you will not pursue this discussion any further. Thanks.
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#103 by echoboom:

[P.S: Ferzana Versey/chief-editor--please keep the Chief-Editor personna of yours separate from the ``writer``.]

I do. Kindly scroll through my interacts with others. They are responding to me as a writer and I am replying in that capacity. And please do not get into the `they do not have the power to zap you`...they try very hard, and they end up deciding who should say what.

I expect EVERY writer to moderate their board and channelise it; I have said so on several boards.

Incidentally, I do not get personal as a matter of policy that I have followed ever since I have been on Chowk. But, if they abuse me or others in emails, they will get emails. Simple. If they want to make a designation into such an issue to get public attention, then they will be responded to on the rare occasion when I want to.

There are guidelines and there are constant reminders. It is not possible to keep tabs on every article, especially if the writers themselves decide to get into the fray. These writers have been informed publicly as well as privately to steer the discussion.

PS: By that token your post should also be removed. In fact, all irrelevant posts might be.

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#100 by khamkhwa

Look. The way I see it, Farzana is only trying to preserve the essential character and essence of chowk as a much valued forum for serious discussion amongst grown-ups, indeed as it was originally intended, and not to let it slide into being just another chat board the likes of which there are plenty on, say, IRC. That will be, God forbid, chowk`s demise.

Plenty is permitted by editorial policy; a few jibes, a few pokes, some naughty pin-pricks even in awkward places; as long as it is all in good humour. When interactors seriously begin to have fun at other interactors` expense to the point that people`s very dignity is jeopardised, that has recently been the cause for editorial action. I myself have been booted for doing this, and I admit in all humility, I deserved it. I hereby apologise to saminasha for the scrap on FMG board.

I think interactors should display more empathy with the editor`s responsibilities in this very sensitive, demanding both on personal time and energy, as well as completely voluntary, undertaking. Once that is done, I`m sure the censorship policy will be suitably adjusted to conform.

Sorry for typo, I meant your post # 95. Thanks

They say that the game of football was not yet introduced to the Khalsa College. A coach, Master Gurbachan Singh was shangaied from the Deli college and given the challenge to turn out a team of players within 2 months. The rival college, from across the town was taunting & teasing the Khalsa College & it had become unbearable.

On the first day when the rules & tactics were explained , zapped out of the annals of this sport, Master Gurbachan singh had this final advice to the nervous Khalsa team:

`` Kicj hard; now that is the key to this game. Play rough--and if the ball seems like a blurr, than kick whatever is there in front--even the head of the rival player--am I clear , do you all understand``?

Cheers went out in unison: we do we do

So Master Gurbachan said: `` O.K now the last practice game should start--where is the football``?

and the khalsa team shouted: Forget the ball, start the game.

master Gurbachan Singh believed in nothing but winning. He had hyped & charged his team, but what happened that on the match-day against the other team, the khalsa team could not score a single goal; but then the other team was able to score only one goal.

The match was in its final minutes & the Master was running with the ball but always
outside the boundary--when suddenly he couldn`t resist & when the ball came so near to him & close to the post Master Gurbachan Singh with ear piercing ``Vahgroo ji...`` kicked the ball into the nearest post....his own!

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Someone also narrated to me the a nikah-ceremony in which the Qazee himself had brought the sehraa, all prepared, that if the groom backed out--he himself would marry the girl. Such contingecy really paid off for him

P.S: Ferzana Versey/chief-editor--please keep the Chief-Editor personna of yours separate from the ``writer``.

You have every right to zap, ban, filter or whatever but please on your article page do not jump into the fray from outside the boundary line. The rival ones, no matter how obnoxious, do not have to power to zap you, as an iteractor/writer--so this becomes an uneven playing field.

Why not , if you do not want to go for the kill, just discuss this via their e-mails: one to one...and perhaps this should be done with all the posts, which in your judgement, are irrelevant to the discussion about the article.

#97 by FarzanaVersey

...Puru, the late actor Raaj Kumar`s son ran his car over six people and he was let off on a bail of Rs. 500)...

Hmmm...If I recall correctly, Navjot Singh Sidhu had several years ago run over someone (was it a traffic cop?) deliberately in road rage and killed him. I don`t know what became of that case but he seems to be doing fine, while the entire career of Salman Khan seems to be over. Someone is obviously trying to make an obscene point here.

I am afraid, it is true...I assume this goes for most of the subcontinent...

Interestingly, it is quite the opposite in Pakistan. The beurocracy tries to coddle up to the wealthy for money and favours; and at most, starts being uncooperative if they refuse to comply. But harassment/vindictiveness of the sort meted out with a vengeance on Salman Khan is unheard of other than towards political foes at the Government`s behest.

I have met some senior Indian beurocrats, and to tell you the truth, I found them to be a strange mix of haughtiness, intransigence, and contempt.

Dear Farzana Versey

As a respectful and respectable member of chowk , May I humbly request you not to delete this post . B/c I am hurt by your remarks in your post # 89.

Please, look at your response here,{{{You would not dare to say this to some of the other few interactors who have openly supported me, my writing and my new role only because a){{they are too well-respected here;}} b){{they do not have a history of fights with you elsewhere.}}

1:-So, I am not a well-respected person here on chowk? explain

What did I do to disrespect you or anyone else ? explain
I am rather disappointed on this remark of your`s. B/c I never disrespect anyone on chowk.

#2:- I do not fight with saminashah , she is the one who always provoke others in this mud slinging.

Thank you