On Sexual Liberation, Extremism and Simple Hypocrisy

Re: # 17

Wasif

What a plain-speaking! Bulleh Shah had said ``Sach aakhaan te bhambarh machda``. You have spoken the truth but no body took notice of it because of hypocrisy which is the hall-mark of the Paky society. Sex in fact is the life force which can be regulated and beautified by culture but does not recognize any religion. A well known saying is attributed to a Pathan who was reprimanded for his incest. He had said ``Khochih ham to behn ko behn maanta he kho yih peer-chod jo naheen maanta``.

The Arab culture, Islamic or pre-Islamic, was/is very natural and liberal in the matter of sex, allowing unlimited number of wives and sex-slaves. The Muslims in general and the Paky Mullahs in particular are concerned too much about sex-related religious edicts. The talk of Hadood and Zinna is the burning topic in the parliament and all the media today. I see all kinds of Mullah talking about codification of zinna without ever defining it. I wonder how they treat the marriages contracted by Non-Muslims and the legality of those of their offspring who may have become Muslims afterwards. Are such of the offspring to be treated `Hallali` or `Harrami`? And what about the sex slaves allowed in Islam and the temporary marriages(Not considered lawfull by Sunni aqueeda) contracted by Mutah, etc.? They have verily opened a Pandora`s box. A Rasputinish Mullah is seen on a Paky TV pontifying about sex edicts in such an authoritative style as though God himself is speaking. What a theatre in absurdity is going on in the Paky Media and the Parliament these days!

His philosophy is closer to Iqbals and as you said Dr. and moulana Isrars many lectures on video tapes all over India and Pakistan on Q t.v. channels.BUT can one outlook apply to all countries where muslim inhabit.Some places as weak minorities and in plural societies?

INDIA Hyderabad Based Siasat Urdu Daily Editor in Sex Racket

A Hyderabad based urdu newspaper siasat editor mr amir ali khan and mr mazhar and mr alamdar were involved in a sex racket today as exposed by MIM floor leader in the state assembly in which a young girl was sold to alleged sex racket after being brought in a trap by offering her a scholarship and then taking her to a farmhouse and raping her which are seirous offenses and even forcing her parents not to file a police complaint and threating them with dire consequences.Congress grilled on failure to check cases of kidnap The Majlis Ittehadul Muslimeen on Tuesday took the Congress government to task for its alleged failure to control kidnappings and trafficking of young girls in the State, particularly Hyderabad.
Armed with statistics MIM floor leader Akbaruddin Owaisi said Hyderabad city alone records seven cases of missing youths, including five girls, every day. As many as five children are kidnapped every day on an average. The MIM leader said 1,118 cases of kidnap and missing of children were registered in Hyderabad during 2004 and of this 353 cases were registered within Cyberabad police limits. In 2005, 511 cases of kidnap and missing of children were recorded.
With regard to missing of youths, particularly girls, Mr Owaisi said 3476 such cases were registered during 2005. Of these only 1714 cases were traced. About 80 per cent of all missing persons are young girls who are kidnapped by professional human trafficking gangs. “There is a heavy demand for Andhra girls in other States. The kidnapped girls are sold in brothels outside the State. The CID has reported the existence of as many as 32 such gangs in the State. Andhra Pradesh has now become number one State in the country in terms of missing children,” the MIM leader pointed out.
Answering supplementary during the Question Hour, Home minister K. Jana Reddy said the AP High Court had observed the man missing cases are not cognisable offences and police need not register them. A note in the general register will suffice. However, as a social obligation police are tracing the missing persons.
The Majlis Ittehadul Muslimeen on Tuesday took the Congress government to task for its alleged failure to control kidnappings and trafficking of young girls in the State, particularly Hyderabad.
Armed with statistics MIM floor leader Akbaruddin Owaisi said Hyderabad city alone records seven cases of missing youths, including five girls, every day. As many as five children are kidnapped every day on an average. The MIM leader said 1,118 cases of kidnap and missing of children were registered in Hyderabad during 2004 and of this 353 cases were registered within Cyberabad police limits. In 2005, 511 cases of kidnap and missing of children were recorded.
With regard to missing of youths, particularly girls, Mr Owaisi said 3476 such cases were registered during 2005. Of these only 1714 cases were traced. About 80 per cent of all missing persons are young girls who are kidnapped by professional human trafficking gangs. “There is a heavy demand for Andhra girls in other States. The kidnapped girls are sold in brothels outside the State. The CID has reported the existence of as many as 32 such gangs in the State. Andhra Pradesh has now become number one State in the country in terms of missing children,” the MIM leader pointed out.
Answering supplementary during the Question Hour, Home minister K. Jana Reddy said the AP High Court had observed the man missing cases are not cognisable offences and police need not register them. A note in the general register will suffice. However, as a social obligation police are tracing the missing persons.

Re: # 2
Adam khan, you are my hero. I agree with almost every interact of yours on this site.

Re: # 23
Why this photo? All except Nawaz Sarif have mustachios.
kamath

Chalo.Chalo.Minar.E.Pakistan.Chalo




Ghundoan.Ko.Baap.Banaao!!!!

It seems Ishtiaq Ahmed is not suffice with the population of Pakistan at present level of repression.
Growing at just below 4%, if Asians are liberated, hell would set loose.

And so for the to-be-liberated society and the to-be-scions and well wishers for this anti-perversion idea - refer The Mauri Show just for a glimpse, which interestingly has many a cases of sex liberation. Wife sleeping with younger brother-in-law. Daugther-in-law sleeps with Father-in-law and rears a child in the womb. Sleeping with the sister-in-law.
I remember watching one of its episodes where an American slept with 4 women over a period of time and got some of his sleepers pregnant and some had a child with him; and interestingly the West abhors polygamy. Childish brains.
A woman sleeps with innumerable men and has one child and wants to ascertain who is the father.
Isn`t this stupidity, the thin red line called Family values are compromised.
America is a nation of illegitimates. No matter what, our values shouldn`t be forced to such animal-instinct ladden theories.

Ok, what after liberation? Elton John lifestyle? Huh? Gays? Gay presidents?

Vote.For.Gay.El.Presidanto!!!!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/journalist/story/0,,1688285,00.html

It began when Dr Rashad Khalil, an expert on Islamic law from al-Azhar university in Cairo warned that being completely naked during intercourse invalidates a marriage. His ruling was promptly dismissed by other scholars, including one who argued that ``anything that can bring spouses closer to each other`` should be permitted.

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^ Is this a new thing?

Re: # 19

asad mian,

you say:``If we know more about Islam we would not feel ashemd in practicing it.
`` ...... does this mean that if we knew more about necrophilia we would not be ashamed of practicing it ?

Excellent atricle. You have very good knwledge about Islam. Most of the people influnced from west have identity cirises. Seeking knowledge is an obligation on every Muslim. If we know more about Islam we would not feel ashemd in practicing it.

Mr. Ishtiq must have some agenda to write such article in Daily Times.

and this is how a learned MAULANA writes on such matters

What a great beneficial difference a Madressa learning makes: Well the man also has an MS, and a doctorate [too trivial & embarrassing for them to add to their name.. acquired just to slap secularoons..to be Maulana is enough, innit?] from British Columbia

I am gay. I was born and lived the first ten years of my life in army cantonements and went to very segregated schools. I am however, still gay. All that segregation around me couldnt do a thing to interest me in women. Actually, like most gay people, while I cannot say if I was born gay or not, I was aware by age 6 or 7 that I was attracted to men. Emotionally and physically. And mind you, I was never molested as a child. No such luck ! So another silly theory about children getting into the ``habit`` of being gay because they were molested, doesnt apply to me. The point is, Mr Kamrani, that I would like you to please shut up about things you and that makrooh looking Dr Israr do not know. There are individuals amongst people who are gay. They just are. There are individuals amongst animals which are gay. Deal with it.

This ridiculous, self righteous article proceeds on the assumption that everyone agrees with the author`s idea of right and wrong based largely upon religion. For example, let me ask....whats wrong with incest between consenting adults ?

Writer saab what is this? a religion quoted VIAGRA.Didn`t mean to sound too frustrated

Why do 60-year-old Saudi men go to Bangladesh and Pakistan to get 14 year old brides? Why don’t young Saudi chicks go there to get some Punjabi action? The whole of Saudi Arabia (and the Persian Gulf) is a big prostitution place with real Islamic pimps dealing in “non-Muslim” hookers. Their clientele is almost exclusively all frustrated old Arab men. I wonder if anyone has studied their behavior to see if sexual oppression in Islamic societies has anything to do with it.

dullabhatti--too true!

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Re: # 8
``this might offend some people but it seems that a lot of what passes of as islam in pakistani society is due to hindu influence....especially the poor treatment of women which no one can deny. ``
This is utter tosh.
Seems to me that Pakistani women are more free than those in Saudi Arabia which has had far less Hindu influence. Don`t you think so?

The dowry system is common to Indo-European traditions.

Women in most places have always been second class citizens, irrespective of religion. Go and read any decent book on evolution among primates to see why this was so.

The second class status is doomed because no woman has to be dependent on a male for basic needs in a modern society.