Rest in Peace Pakistan (1947-1974)

One can safely say Kaalchakra based on those that Sattar2 is as Muslim as anyone else :).

sattar2

Just to remind you, you had accused Muslims of being blinded by the great sin of self-righteousness. We can let your own posts speak for you and your faith.

Defenders of Gandhi`s racism and bigotry did not wish to engage...

It is this virulent and racist ideology of Gandhiism that must be rooted out from every religion to make the world a better place.

kaal miaN (#1205),

Worrying about what others have that you don’t, is one way to lead a disenchanted life. Such dissatisfaction, combined with faith, can be a potent mix. If this keeps up, you too may find yourself holed up in a big Red building someday.

… so I’ll digress, while saying what I said earlier. The answer is to be found in the rustling of autumn leaves. Either you get it or you don’t. In any case, good luck with your pursuit …

That is something you`ve been - according to your admission- trying to do for a very long time...

So are you ready to admit the facts about the Direct Action Day or what?

#1217 by Yasser

Sure..if only to make your life more miserable than it already is...LOL!

No mian... I am just hoping you will stick around to take it to 1500.

#1215 by Yasser

Why do you have to ask others Yasser? Are you so desperate that you have to seek someone to bail you out?

By the way ... does anyone know the Chowk record... do I have a shot... because I can probably stretch my argument with Harish mian for another 200 or so posts...

``Last weekend has seen dreadful riots in Calcutta. The estimates of casualties is 3000 dead and 17000 injured. The Bengal Congress are convinced that all the trouble was deliberately engineered by the Muslim League Ministry, but no satisfactory evidence to that effect has reached me yet. It is said that the decision to have a public holiday on 16th August was the cause of trouble, but I think this is very far-fetched. There was a public holiday in Sind and there was no trouble there. At any rate, whatever the causes of the outbreak, when it started, the Hindus and Sikhs were every bit as fierce as Muslims. The present estimate is that appreciably more Muslims were killed than the Hindus``


As for Statesman... if you had seen I had quoted the editorial of Blitz, the Congress Mouthpiece... which holds a diametrically opposite view:


Meanwhile the Congress Mouthpiece ``Blitz`` wrote this about the direct action day:

The worst enemies of the Muslim League cannot help envying the leadership of Mr Jinnah. Last week`s cataclysmic transformation of the League from the reactionary racket of the Muslim Nawabs, Noons, and Knights into a revolutionary mass organisation dedicated, by word if not be deed, to an anti-Imperialist struggle, compels us to express the sneaking national wish that a diplomat and strategist of Jinnah`s proven calibre were at the held of the Indian National Congress. There is no denying the fact that by his latest master-stroke of diplomacy Jinnah has outbid, outwitted and outmaneuvered the British and Congress alike and confounded the common national indictment that the Muslim League is a parasite of British Imperialism

Now why would a Congress Newspaper praise Jinnah if Direct Action Day was all that you are making it out to be...

The fact is that Calcutta was an exception... a well thought out plan by the Congress which sabotaged the League`s programme for temporary political gain....


More on Direct Action

It is funny how Indians here use the word `Direct Action` as if it means some kind of violence in of itself... Infact in the examples of `Direct Action` ... this website speaks of `Non-violent Direct Action` by Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr....

http://www.free-definition.com/Direct-action.html

Direct Action simply means civil disobedience... as Dr. King put it:

``Nonviolent direct action seeks to create such a crisis and foster such a tension that a community which has constantly refused to negotiate is forced to confront the issue. It seeks so to dramatize the issue that it can no longer be ignored.``


Now consider H V Hodson`s description of the League Programme:

``The working committee followed up by calling on Muslims through out India to observe 16th August as direct action day. On that Day meeting would be held all over the country to explain League`s resolution. These meetings and processions passed of- as was manifestly the Central league leaders` intention- without more than commonplace and limited disturbance with one vast and tragic exception... what happened was more than anyone could have foreseen.``

(Page 166 `The Great Divide`)


Explaining Direct Action Jinnah made it clear that the direct Action will not be in any form but in peaceful form...


``16th August is not for the purpose of resorting to Direct Action in any form or shape, Therefore I enjoin upon the Muslims to carry our the instructions and abide by them strictly and conduct themselves peacefuly and in a disciplined manner.``

Press Release Jinnah 14th August 1946

Yawn... how many times must you do this ?
Here is the my last post on the other board so far...


Re: # 132

Harish mian,

First of all you don`t have primary source evidence for any of these statements. All these statements are taken from a third rate website article... For example... The statement attributed to Sir Feroze Khan Noon ise entirely false. Similarly it is highly unlikely that Abdul Rab Nishtar said what is attributed to him... Liaqat Ali Khan`s comment is hardly offensive (unless Congress` entire policy was offensive)... and this Ghulam Mustafa Gelani seems like a small fish from Multan side perhaps... whose statement I have not found on record.


But assuming that all these statements were indeed made... did you miss this bit:

16th August is not for the purpose of resorting to Direct Action in any form or shape, Therefore I enjoin upon the Muslims to carry our the instructions and abide by them strictly and conduct themselves peacefuly and in a disciplined manner. by Jinnah...

Incidentally ... none of these leaders that you now quote were ever implicated in any violence... since Direct Action Day was peaceful in all parts of India... Suhrawardy who is held responsible by many Indians does not seem to have made any of those statements.


Essentially you have no argument...

Here is the official record:

``Last weekend has seen dreadful riots in Calcutta. The estimates of casualties is 3000 dead and 17000 injured. The Bengal Congress are convinced that all the trouble was deliberately engineered by the Muslim League Ministry, but no satisfactory evidence to that effect has reached me yet. It is said that the decision to have a public holiday on 16th August was the cause of trouble, but I think this is very far-fetched. There was a public holiday in Sind and there was no trouble there. At any rate, whatever the causes of the outbreak, when it started, the Hindus and Sikhs were every bit as fierce as Muslims. The present estimate is that appreciably more Muslims were killed than the Hindus``


Now coming to your stupid comment about sleeping on the floor... so assuming that Jinnah was apprehensive of going to prison... and given that Gandhi and Nehru were in and out of prisons many time... how exactly are you tryng to make it relevant the issue at hand?

Seems like you`ve been signing your name in bold letters...

#1211 by Yasser

Looks like you`re the one who`s scared to death here. Why don`t you put up your sources here and I`ll do the same with mine and let the folks reading them decide?

Or have you already put your tails between your legs? Hain?

Dear Harish mian,

I did prove it with primary sources. But no proof is enough for you.

Just one of the many boards where you ran with your tail between your legs:

http://www.chowk.com/show_article.cgi?aid=00007141&channel=university%20ave&start=0&end=9&chapter=1&page=1

#1209 by Yasser

To this date, you haven`t been able to prove that it wasn`t Jinnah`s call to Direct Action that led to the violence. All you have in response is a lame ``Sardar Patel gloated over more Muslims dying, which means the Congress is responsible`` line which sounds rather childish. As for Shishapa and Masanamuthu`s argument, they`re right here, and all I see you doing is letting loose on us Achyut Patwardhan, whom till the other day you didn`t know existed. And now, you`re trying to trick us into believing that he`s some kind of gospel truth. What can one do, but conclude that the groin must be hurting real bad?

Re: # 1207

Dear Harish mian,

I see that my mere presence upsets you so much as to resort to abuses... since Masanamuthu and Shishapa could not come up with valid arguments ... I think the only kick in the groin is the one that has rendered you useless.

Also I see that having soiled yourself on a number of occasions on the issue of direct action day... and running like the wind when shown your place, you are back to old ways. How about rejoining the discussion on various boards where you are missing in action.

#1206 by Yasser

Not every Hindu leader had lost their mind like the arrogant Congress leaders...

Selective reading again? Did the Sapru dude hold the same opinion about Jinnah after 1946 when the TB-ridden crook masterminded the Direct Action Day violence?