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Making a new Future: Peace Dividends for India and Pakistan

dawood mamoon August 13, 2007

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#20 Posted by arjun2 on August 18, 2007 7:41:17 pm
#19 Posted by okhla99 on August 18, 2007 7:13:51 pm


Masadi is being taken seriously by the Minister for education !!!


By the minister of education of the lackey government controlled by the US elite, no less... :)

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#19 Posted by okhla99 on August 18, 2007 7:13:51 pm
Horror of Horrors !!!
Masadi is being taken seriously by the Minister for education !!!!
Masadi is submitting reports to the government!!!
Higher education in Pakistan shall henceforth be on lines suggested by Masadi!!!


Pinch !!! Wake up !!!! Pinch !!!

We have only Masadi's word for it.

It must be as true as the remainder of his bullshyte , viz his 'students" conducting "research" and publishing "papers" in his "institute". Masadi working towards the "Nobel Prize". Lulu.com being a better publisher than Springer Verlag, McGraw Hill, Prentice Hall etc.

Some prople will believe anything.....

Let us hope that as and when the tottering government falls and the Ministers and their lackeys are executed (nay, shot on the streets like rabid dogs)-- a few particularly sidey llackeys are not allowed to escape.
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#18 Posted by arjun2 on August 18, 2007 3:28:33 pm
so there...

Army chief rules out troop withdrawal in Kashmir

By IANS
Friday August 17, 10:21 PM

Bangalore, Aug 17 (IANS) Chief of Army Staff General J.J. Singh Friday ruled out troop withdrawal from Kashmir, saying it was the primary duty of the armed forces to guard the borders from external aggression and infiltration bids.

'Kashmir is a border state. We share a border with Pakistan in the west and China in the north. These borders have not been resolved. Certain differences and variations in our perceptions exist on the border issue with China in the north and Pakistan in the west, especially along the Siachen glacier on the AGPL (actual ground position line),' the army chief said.

'We have to have troops deployed on these borders to defend our country like any other country which has unresolved borders,' Singh told reporters at a hurriedly convened press conference in the Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) complex after witnessing a flight demonstration of the indigenous advanced light helicopter (ALH) powered with the new Shakti engines.

Reiterating the army's position on the issue, Singh said the question of withdrawal did not rise, as troops were also deployed to counter infiltration from across the western border where there was evidence of armed terrorists attempting to cross over regularly with weapons, explosives and other equipment.

'No country will allow such a thing (infiltration) to happen. Deployment of troops for counter infiltration is justified. As far as the hinterland is concerned, the army has been called in as a constitutional obligation to help in restoring law and order.

'Our presence gives security to the people and helps the state administration in carrying out its functions. But law and order is yet to be restored. I personally feel the litmus test is to normalise the situation, where the people are safe and anyone can visit the place without fear. I don't think that situation has come. And when it does, the government or the state will recommend that the army is no longer required,' Singh pointed out.

Castigating the media for asking him again and again whether troops would be pulled out, Singh said the principal task of the army was to guard the borders for defending the country from external threats and prevent infiltration.
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#17 Posted by masadi on August 18, 2007 12:01:29 pm
The raving lunatic Okhla is lying about everything (except chowk censoring my articles) in the below reproduced BS diatribe, in fact it is quite pathetic that idiots like him have to invent bs to discredit my quite well established, well argued posts....like Madani sahib said these bastar** are just jealous because they cannot approach my posts except by inventing lies. Btw nobody deported me from the US or fired me from any US university, I came back to Pakistan of my own volition, away from the land of cheerful morons like okhla, slaves yet happy in their enslavement....Now go eff off okhla.... and don't spam all boards you damn fool
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#16 Posted by rf786 on August 18, 2007 10:19:53 am
Dear Chowk staff,

Are you people trying to offer History lessons on-line? If yes, then please try to improve your standards.
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#15 Posted by rf786 on August 18, 2007 10:16:18 am
Re: # 5

totally agreed.
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#14 Posted by okhla99 on August 18, 2007 9:55:26 am
Masadi you creep !!!! (Utterly & Completely Respected)

So you are still trying to spread your bullshyte notions that have been rejected by the rest of the civilized world!!!!

Will you never learn ???

Don't you remember the hiding you got on faithfreedom.org( at the hands of Ali) ???

Don't you remember the disciplinary meetings in the US University just before they deported you in spite of your pleadings???

Don't you remember your abject surrender and begging/whining tone in which you implored for a second chance to be allowed to stay in the US????

Don't you remember the unceremonious manner in which you were comprehensively rejected and kicked out of the US??

Don't you remember the impish grin on the face of the US immigration (INS) official as you were dragged kicking and screaming to the airplane????

Don't you remember the "evil" students in your Pakistani college who made open mockery of the ideas you tried to teach them???

Don't you remember the management committee meeting which unanimously declared you "unfit" to train young Pakistani students???

Don't you remember how you were thrown out of that college and the security staff alerted to never let you enter again ???

Don't you remember how all your pleadings for "outstanding claims" were met with derisive laughter???

Don't you remember how the Chowk staff has consistently refused to publish your bullshyte articles???

Don't you remember how even lulu.com would not accept your "works" any more???

And now, you have found a one-man audience in the intelligent MADani.

Perhaps now you have reached the peak of your career.

Rejoice in your success.....
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#13 Posted by aslam644 on August 18, 2007 6:27:58 am
Re: # 12
Tiger Niazi


If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too:
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise;





http://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/trial/open/aip/3608
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#12 Posted by bjkumar on August 18, 2007 5:32:06 am

#10 Manto

Why should that bother any Pakistani?! Name-calling is a Pakistani specialty!

Name-calling and crying! It is little wonder that after so much name-calling and crying any time can actually be found for such mundane matters like education and economic growth!

Go read ZAB's speech from 1971 for an example of "we don't get no respect, our hearts are broken, the Indians are whipping our ass and the world is laughing while I cry!"

Guess what - Pakistan hailed that whining diatribe as "historic"!

Remember the last words in that speech?! If you do not, let me help!

"I am leaving, Mr. Secretary. I am leaving!"

Big deal, who gives a hoot if ZAB took his butt out of the UN?!

It was a small country back then - and still is!

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#11 Posted by Cobra on August 18, 2007 5:16:55 am
Dawa , don't bhayya me. I'm not your brother.
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#10 Posted by MantoLives on August 18, 2007 5:12:27 am

Pakistanis are morbidly afraid of typing in "u" instead of "i" at the end of Gandhi's name.

You wouldn't want that would you BJKumar?
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#9 Posted by arjun2 on August 18, 2007 5:10:17 am

Shakti (Hindu Power)


who is this idiot author?
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#8 Posted by bjkumar on August 18, 2007 5:06:48 am
Why do some Pakistanis have such a tough time spelling Gandhiji’s name?! Why should anybody believe anything else this writer writes – he can not get even the name right! But Gandhiji has good company – this author could not get to spell even the Buddha’s name right!

On the issue of “Hindustan”, the Pakistani media (till recently) made a conscious effort to address India not as “India” but as “Hindustan” – probably another futile attempt to make sense of the creation of Pakistan. If Pakistan were more comfortable with itself, it would not need to do such gimmics.

For Pakistan, the dispute on Kashmir does not appear to be about land – had it been so, that country would not have gifted away one third of Kashmir to China. It appears to be about reinforcing Pakistan’s “distinctness” from India – however artificially made!

Kashmir does not appear to be the “root cause” of the dispute between India and Pakistan – Pakistan’s repeated attempts to justify itself perhaps are! Solve the Kashmir issue tomorrow and come day after tomorrow, the “root cause” will still remain – or will get reinvented.

Pakistan’s optimum future lies in the exercise of pure common sense – by acting its size. Nukes or no nukes, it is a small country and every time it looses the focus of the superpowers – must end up in a devalued position. That is the way of nature!

I do not see how economic enrichment can get rid of fundamentalism in that country – at least how it can do so in the short to intermediate run. The Middle East example stares us too starkly in face for that. In fact, Pakistan itself has a well-established track record of attacking India every time it feels more “secure”. Its economic prosperity of 1960’s gave us Operation Gibraltar. Its acquisition of the nukes gave us the Kargil adventure. Who knows what the next sense of “economic well-being” will bring?!

Unfortunately, it is not the economy – it is the mindset! That is where the effort needs to be invested. I do not see how that can take place if the country still keeps acting wishy-washy on its past sordid acts!

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#7 Posted by dawa-i-dil on August 18, 2007 4:57:17 am
Re: # 5 bhayya ..60 saal mai super power aik Azad Kashmir to lai nahee saka...hehehe
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#6 Posted by dawa-i-dil on August 18, 2007 4:56:11 am
Re: # 3 boy friend...na na ...mama dantai gee...hehehe
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#5 Posted by Cobra on August 18, 2007 4:20:53 am
There's a saying in my part of the country. G**d mey dum nahi aur hum kisise kum nahin. Agar dum hai to Kashmir leke dikhao.
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Interact Index

    #20 arjun2
    #19 okhla99
    #18 arjun2
    #17 masadi
    #16 rf786
    #15 rf786
    #14 okhla99
    #13 aslam644
    #12 bjkumar
    #11 Cobra
    #10 MantoLives
    #9 arjun2
    #8 bjkumar
    #7 dawa-i-dil
    #6 dawa-i-dil
    #5 Cobra
    #4 jayp
    #3 Ranjit
    #2 dawa-i-dil
    #1 okhla99

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