Aqsa Pervez: The Casualty of Patriarchy

O Haider, the Knight-at-arms, you have perhap not met any 'La Belle Dame Sans Merci' yet or I wouuld have asked you in Keat's words:

"O WHAT can ail thee, knight-at-arms,
Alone and palely loitering?
The sedge has wither’d from the lake,
And no birds sing."

"what does androcitrus mean"

jang, what androcitrus means is never clear, a tart, I guess.

what does androcitrus mean..is it something about a human neembu?

diarox, yaar these things are not so simple. They might make YOU personally sad but that doesn't mean others shouldn't be allowed to do them. And if it is not for men to judge others then it seems odd seeing so many rush to judgment in such cases.

I think it is sad that people and men in particular go and kill their wives daughters and sisters because they think wearing a strict uniform is the only way their women can be religious and on the "right" path. I would like to ask that man : does Allah forgive murderers?
I know women who live in North America and do not wear hijabs and yet they are often much more respectable and "naaik" than some who do have the "right apparel".
It is not for men to judge who is right and who is wrong, that is God's work. I dont know why people dont understand that their job is to teach their children and show them the right path and make them understand logically not by force... and then have faith in them to know and do the right thing.
You dont have to wear a hijab to be virtuous.

Re: # 31 Posted by aslam644 on December 23, 2007 5:47:30 am

[It seems the position of muslim women hasn’t changed much in some muslim countries since he wrote that, ....]

Aslam, it is the condition of muslim men, that I am more worried about. Generally, it is the muslim men that are present day barbarians. Wouldn't you agree?

a great civilisation is not conquered from without until, it has destroyed itself from within historian will Durant

A compassionate and tender human being, he decried the position of women in society, who he said only lived for childbearing and suckling. Moved to compassion for their misery, he wrote that women were so reduced in servitude that all their capacity for higher pursuits had been destroyed. He was saddened by their fate, stating that they only live like plants, looking after their men. This compelled him to write:
“Our society allows no scope for the development of women’s talents. They seem to be destined exclusively to childbirth and the care of children, and this state of servility has destroyed their capacity for larger matters. It is thus that we see no women endowed with moral virtues; they live their lives like vegetables, devoting themselves to their husbands. From this stems the misery that pervades our cities, for women outnumber men by more than double and cannot procure the necessities of life by their own labours.” (Ibn rushd ( averroes) a muslim philosopher in 13th century spain)
It seems the position of muslim women hasn’t changed much in some muslim countries since he wrote that, I suppose at that time the position of women in non-muslim societies wasn’t that much different but, most have progressed since then.

Prisoner24601, you do not get it.

A young girl was killed callously – merely for wanting to do what all the young girls in the society she lived in were doing day in and day out.

The father was the killer.

But the cocoon that that cuckoo-man lived in – that whole Pakistani crappy, shitty “culture” of “honor” and every agent that facilitated it – is equally guilty.

It includes his wife (if he had one – and if one could refer to a less-than-equal partner by such terms).

It includes the extended family members who tolerated and reinforced his moronic stupid mindset.

It includes his mullah who provided the seal of Godly approval to his day-in-and-day-out theater of stupidity!

None of those creeps have any more right to life than that young girl - who was unfortunate enough to be born of that moronic, dumb, stupid Pakistani - did! I would not shed a single tear if they were all to be gelded!

Morons like that person had no business moving to Canada and certainly no right to try to convert Canada into a little Pakistan or a miniature Saudi Arabia.

ha ha ha , momin paki army bombing mosques in tribal areas,bhai jan kia yai kafir hain , ham ney suna kay kaafi log in main qadiani or shia hain ?

#27 Posted by Prisoner24601 on December 22, 2007 8:40:28 pm

remember the signs on roadworks: your tax $$s at work..

they should have a sign like that for you on the mass graves of the ninja chix.

#26 "Funny you should say that considering it was your tax $$ that paid for the white phosphorus "

I certainly do not have any control over how the US government uses my tax dollars. But what is truly funny is how you used your own credit card to purchase an ultra sound machine from eBay and shipped it to your family in India...

#24 Posted by Prisoner24601 on December 22, 2007 8:07:34 pm


Again, charity should begin at home.


Funny you should say that considering it was your tax $$ that paid for the white phosphorus that baked the ninja chix..and whacked a bunch of your jihadi brothers..

#23 Posted by Eklavya on December 22, 2007 7:00:51 pm


only androcitrus bias


yup..only my ingrained "androcitrus bias" keeps me from thinking that saudi women think they should be able to drive or think 200 lashes for a rape victim isn't a good idea..

beej: [Tell you what, I shall act...

I denounce abortion here and now...]


Beej, as you perhaps already know, talk is cheap...and cheap talk is not an alternative for action. In the time that it took you to write your "denunciation", dozens of female fetuses were aborted in India. Can you look a dead female fetus in its 'eyes' and say that you only had time to "denounce" its murder, because you were too busy worrying about issues of grown women elsewhere?

Again, charity should begin at home. Let your worries and the full fire power of your rhetoric be wholly dedicated to granting female fetuses in india the right to live and grow into adult women. Until this issue is sufficiently addressed, the hindoo "men" should declare a moratorium on worrying about women's rights elsewhere. What do you say, Beej?

or do you have some skeletons in your closets you want to fess upto?

If those workforce participation rates differ, only androcitrus bias would lead us to blindly assume that Muslim women are unhappy with the situation.

It's at least possible, and perfectly plausible, that Muslim women actually enjoy and excercise their freedom to not participate in the workforce.

#21 Posted by Eklavya on December 22, 2007 4:53:41 pm


chowkid1. Participation in workforce is not the only way for ladies to contribute to their families and their communities.


that post, like all your posts, made no sense at all..

at issue here is the patriarchal structure of muslim society..something that workforce participation numbers clearly reflect...only a muslim in deep denial would say that muslim women have the same workforce participation numbers as hindu or sikh women..