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Re: # 13
Masadi

The Ata Turk was a fool who ensured perpetual slavery of his people to the West, what we see today when they go begging to join the EU and are rebuked or when they try to distance themselves from their Islamic heritage and language. Trying to be a liberator of your people and then emulating the Ata Turk because he will make you more western and acceptible to those you worship does not do anything for me to prove that the snake was anything good.

Regarding dictatorship, when the MAJ installed himself as GG of Pakistan, King of a country for all intents and purposes, that was no democracy in action. Regarding his hypocritical call for "secularism", he used Islam and the sentiments that go with him (imagery for which his sidekick the Allama developed) for the purpose of gaining a country. That sentimentality using Islam, resulted in reactions on a large scale that cause widespread bloodshed for which Jinnah is responsible. Regarding the Feudals and the Colonials both were very happy with the division, one to consolidate their wealth which they have managed to to this day, the others to use us for their many dirty tasks which they have to this day. Perhaps the major commonality among the MAJ and the other "dog ugly" person, is that MAJ fragmented the Muslim political power and voice in India, thereby fragmenting our solidarity and ensuring that those left behind in India live as third class citizens because of that reduced political power and the reactionism produced by his shenanigans. Musharraf is doing the same to fragment Pakistan today. They are both alike and they both are/were damn criminals...


Excellent post. I think people who read history and correlate with what is happening now would reach the same conclusion. I personally think Jinnah should be remembered in India (esp, by the Hindu nationalists) for the service he did to India by getting rid of the Muslim majority regions and permanently reducing the political power of remaining Muslims. I'm amused by the Jinnah "worship" by Pakistanis either. It's not that he has brought anything new to the regions that constitute Pakistan now. Muslims dominated in politics prior to 1947 and Muslims dominate now (though with a reduced geographic area).

#90 by Aisha_Sarwari

I am very interested in discussing right and wrong but not with someone whose ignorance and lack of composure is bettered by inability to tell the truth.

Looks like the constant beating hubby dear has taken on Chowk recently is taking its toll on the missus too. Like Yasser mian has been "dissing & cussing" the events surrounding 1947 by frequently mentioning orifices (he once told us "remove your head from your rearend" was a common English expression in his family), the female Yasser too is going down the same road. Well, as I said before - this is truly a match made in heaven (or is it hell?)...LOL!

Dar-ul-harbic view of non muslim world is the basis of TNT. Two nations in every Gali and muhallah !!! That is what Jinnah said. And he gave it an interesting western liberal twist to the mullah world view in the name of "Protection of minority interests" trying to fuse all those different nations in every gali and muhallah.
So every muslim gali mohallah nation tried to join in that liberal twist to Islamic TNT. The result is what we see today called Pakistan.

Hahahaha! If you both are truthful and some Pakis consider Yasser mian as the next brown hope of Pakistan, not even Allah can save them!!! And just because you haven't been banned doesn't mean you aren't abusive, it merely means you've removed all traces of evidence, like you did to that i-log in which you posted my pic and compared it with a phallus. And today you deny it - you can probably fool Chowkies who might not have seen the ilog, but you surely cannot fool me - and that's all I care.

As for Yasser mian, who's been a turncoat of the highest order - first eulogizing ZA Bhutto then vilifying him, then doing the same with Imran Khan in the reverse order - some honesty that is!!! LOL!

I stand corrected - My husband considers you too insignificant to make you pay for something that you cant help given the racist, fascist, bigoted, casteist legacy that Gandhi left behind.

I wouldnt want a compatriot like you, who cant be honest if his life depended on it. I am very interested in discussing right and wrong but not with someone whose ignorance and lack of composure is bettered by inability to tell the truth.

As for resorting to abuse, it is you who keeps getting banned for abusing women on this website.

And please note, not for a moment do I regret the partition. Imagine having to live call someone as vile as you my compatriots. I would die of shame :-)

#85 by Aisha_Sarwari

My husband's busy right now, but when he ceases to be he's going to make you regret your post, I assure you.

Sure, he's been doing that for quite some time now without any success. Anyways, wish him luck from us.

#86 by Aisha_Sarwari

Jinnah slit your country on whatever principle! Point is he got what he wanted.

OK, the fact that you don't want to discuss the rights and wrongs of that vindicates my point. And slipping into meaningless insults is further proof of how hard-pressed you are to defend that vile act. You and Yasser mian are truly made for each other in that when you are unable to argue, you slip so easily into abuse. Truly a match made in heaven!

Harish,

Jinnah slit your country on whatever principle! Point is he got what he wanted. Pakistan's survival is aligned with his principles that we keep striving for whereas India's survival is closely linked with rejecting the unlawyerly principles of that laundry you call a leader espoused.

Now go chaat your thalis because you aren't going to learn to be objective no matter how long you marinate in the juices of chowk. Jitthey di khoti uttey aan khaloti. Indian pseudo-intellectuals argue like high-schoolers.

Unbelievable that nothing has changed in 10 years.

Bj,

If there was any old hog learning of half baked ideologies and transposing them on a new country's political backdrop it was Gandhi, and it was he who outdid the apartheid regime with his policies as well as his person. He traveled separately from the lower classes and untouchables, and it was he who is quoted calling the blacks in South Africa "savages", shall I reproduce the various evidence here if you are suffering from memory loss?

How can you possibly call the right of a people's self determination, an apartheid principle? Is this what Gandhi was doing when he was apparently attempting to get "independence" from the British. He claims freedom on the basis of race superiority, if your logic is to be applied.

The only distinction Jinnah made among people was to separate those who believed in equality and the justice from those who interpreted those universal principles with a saffron bigoted lens.

My husband's busy right now, but when he ceases to be he's going to make you regret your post, I assure you.

bjkumar:
I very well understand that partition has divided the energies of sub-continent on a broader scale.
Looking at partition with a different perspective will probably help.
I think the biggest contributor to partition was election and Government of Congress in 1937. As far as history goes, it is the same situation as currently in Gujrat.
It is further evidenced by the fact that movement for partition was strong mainly in areas where Muslims were in minority (except Bengal). In fact Jinnah has to make a strong case in current Punjab, NWFP, Baluchistan and somewhat in Sind. Because in Punjab there was Unionist Government till end, Ghaffar Khan in NWFP was not in favor of partition. So basically the Muslims from provinces where they were in minority had to convince Muslim majority provinces to accept the proposal of Pakistan. And that was even not clear till the end of world war 2.
As far as Jinnah is concerned, he was politically isolated in early 1930's and I think he did not find a place in Indian politics and left for England. When Muslim leaders in India contacted him he returned. This time with the conviction arrogance and determination. He did not consider Congress and Gandhi impartial who will take a neutral stand in secular tradition, as is evidenced from his many utterings. There is no question on that that Jinnah would take even a moth eaten Pakistan. Either the Congress leadership did not realize or was also as arrogant. Finally Partition was supposed to happen in 1948. But in haste they announced and put one line here and one line there. And it happened what was a foregone conclusion with both sides ready for massacre and migration.
As far as religious bigotry. Jinnah was not religious by any account, he was not even a mainstream Muslim. He did not even speak the language of people he was leading. He did not want a theocratic state. He wanted a state for Muslims of sub-continent, where their interests will be safeguarded.

Krashid1961 miaN,

You are perhaps new on this site. I disagree with you regarding the culpability of the Jinnah for the partition and its aftermath which - being the smart person that he was he should have foreseen and probably did and went and did his dirty deed anyway. That, to me is very obvious and I have explained it here on this site countless times before. In the same vein, he made a distinction among human beings based on religious labels which is just another form of apartheid - that much is also clear to me. Apartheid, like slavery, is a discredited line of thought. In Jinnah's time, apartheid was well and alive and perhaps an accepted fact of life. In contemporary times, no reasonable person justifies it. Religious bigotry is in the same way on its way out. Those who justify it now are soon going to be just as marginalized as those past proponents of apartheid.

You are free to disagree. I appreciate your polite tone.

I also do not want to carry away this discussion tangentially, especially since I am pleased that Aisha has shown the courage to write this piece at a time when the Generalissimo is so ruthlessly packing the courts with his own rubber stamps. Enough said!

If Musharraf has an iota of civility left in him -- he will RELEASE AITZAZ AHSAN.

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Harish:
I think dishonesty is the last word you can use for Jinnah. You can argue against partition.
Jinnah completely left politics and went to England for his lawyer practice in early thirties.
He was approached by Muslim leaders from sub continent by about 1935 or 1936 to come and lead the Muslims as there was no leadership for the Muslims.
As I have mentioned in my previous posts, it was the attitude of Congress Government in 1937 which led Jinnah and Muslim League to fully exploit the situation. To the point that I think in the next election Muslim League won from majority of Muslim seats. And Muslim League had sizable portion of ministers in next Government.
Moreover your reasoning was also there among some of Congress leaders.