Beena Sarwar May 24, 2008
#183 Posted by Ras on May 30, 2008 10:49:04 pm
Beena Sarwar,
this article is possibly the best you have
written here on CHOWK.
Great ending!
Ras
#182 Posted by izuber on May 29, 2008 7:50:09 pm
NS places himself back on the block relinquishing any gains from the NRO or foregoing of the prison sentence that he bargained for a self-imposed exile and plea deal agreement.
Like some wise elders used to say, "ghora aur maidan samnay haye dekhain kaun kitna bhagta haye" one thing appear clear though that this time around it might not be as peaceful a struggle and transition.
Like some wise elders used to say, "ghora aur maidan samnay haye dekhain kaun kitna bhagta haye" one thing appear clear though that this time around it might not be as peaceful a struggle and transition.
#181 Posted by izuber on May 29, 2008 7:48:42 pm
NS places himself back on the block relinquishing any gains from the NRO or foregoing of the prison sentence that he bargained for a self-imposed exile and plea deal agreement.
Like some wise elders used to say, "ghora aur maidan samnay haye dekhain kaun kitna bhagta haye"
Like some wise elders used to say, "ghora aur maidan samnay haye dekhain kaun kitna bhagta haye"
#180 Posted by tahmed32 on May 29, 2008 4:47:20 am
zeemax #171 It is in The News..
Gen Kayani looks Musharraf in the eye
Thursday, May 29, 2008
By Muhammad Saleh Zaafir
ISLAMABAD: Chief of the Army Staff (COAS) General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani held an extremely important meeting with President Pervez Musharraf at the Army House Rawalpindi late on Wednesday.
The meeting continued till after midnight lasting more than three-and-a-half hours.
..
The commando unit looking after the security of the Presidency has been changed with another unit.(comment: does this mean that mush's bodyguard is now his prison guard?)
..
Musharraf has consented to leave the Army House immediately and he may move to the President House within 48 hours before calling it a day. (comment: why - if he is an illegal "President", per NS and now Zardari?)
..
The question of introducing an impeachment motion would not come as the president will leave office and get a safe passage (why? so ambitious generals in future know there is no downside to a coup?!).
http://thenews.jang.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=14988
Gen Kayani looks Musharraf in the eye
Thursday, May 29, 2008
By Muhammad Saleh Zaafir
ISLAMABAD: Chief of the Army Staff (COAS) General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani held an extremely important meeting with President Pervez Musharraf at the Army House Rawalpindi late on Wednesday.
The meeting continued till after midnight lasting more than three-and-a-half hours.
..
The commando unit looking after the security of the Presidency has been changed with another unit.(comment: does this mean that mush's bodyguard is now his prison guard?)
..
Musharraf has consented to leave the Army House immediately and he may move to the President House within 48 hours before calling it a day. (comment: why - if he is an illegal "President", per NS and now Zardari?)
..
The question of introducing an impeachment motion would not come as the president will leave office and get a safe passage (why? so ambitious generals in future know there is no downside to a coup?!).
http://thenews.jang.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=14988
#179 Posted by rf786 on May 29, 2008 3:44:52 am
Re: # 178
Maj
There is no disagreement on institution building nor is there any evidence to say that the people are any different from rest of the world. But, one has to be cautious in their optimism and alert to any possible errant leaders. That is why its critical that we have Long term goals in place rather than short term expediencies.
Maj
There is no disagreement on institution building nor is there any evidence to say that the people are any different from rest of the world. But, one has to be cautious in their optimism and alert to any possible errant leaders. That is why its critical that we have Long term goals in place rather than short term expediencies.
#178 Posted by majumdar on May 29, 2008 3:18:25 am
Arif bhai,
Political maturity and commitment will come with time. And dont forget that our politicians (as well as generals) do not tapkofy from space, they come from us and are people with often petty agendas. What is important is that Pakistan stays the course and over the time develops institutions which take care of errant leaders.
Regards
Political maturity and commitment will come with time. And dont forget that our politicians (as well as generals) do not tapkofy from space, they come from us and are people with often petty agendas. What is important is that Pakistan stays the course and over the time develops institutions which take care of errant leaders.
Regards
#177 Posted by rf786 on May 29, 2008 3:06:23 am
Re: # 173
Maj Bhai
Harish has made my job eaiser by responding to your post. As persursor to the coming events our stock market is in a tailspin with 500points declines per day, Govt is considering lifting of subsidies for fuel prices implying they have no finances to support their fuel subsidies, economic growth continues to flounder and then we have this political bickering. Not a very pleasent situation for anyone and these politicians are playing games. Like Harish said, this political bickering will make things easier for the next army geenral.
Having said that, its my opinion that PPP has the numbers to fend off NS and his pack of hyenas, but it will take time, effort and political maturity. Time and effort are the easier part, problem is political maturity and a commtiment to acheive set long term goals. If political expediency takes over then the game may be over sooner than later. So lets see, in the meantime I am enjoying IPL...Go Rajasthan.
Maj Bhai
Harish has made my job eaiser by responding to your post. As persursor to the coming events our stock market is in a tailspin with 500points declines per day, Govt is considering lifting of subsidies for fuel prices implying they have no finances to support their fuel subsidies, economic growth continues to flounder and then we have this political bickering. Not a very pleasent situation for anyone and these politicians are playing games. Like Harish said, this political bickering will make things easier for the next army geenral.
Having said that, its my opinion that PPP has the numbers to fend off NS and his pack of hyenas, but it will take time, effort and political maturity. Time and effort are the easier part, problem is political maturity and a commtiment to acheive set long term goals. If political expediency takes over then the game may be over sooner than later. So lets see, in the meantime I am enjoying IPL...Go Rajasthan.
#176 Posted by harish_hyd on May 29, 2008 2:44:17 am
#175 by majumdar
While I dont see the Pakistanis being thrilled with a mid-term poll, I don't see them again welcoming a military coup again. If not for anything else, for Lal Masjid.
Majumdar bhai, the public has a short memory. All the next army chief needs to do to appease the public is try Mushy for the Lal Masjid killings and people will welcome him with open arms.
After all, Zia hanged Bhutto who was supposedly Pakistan's most loved leader and still continued to rule the country till his death.
While I dont see the Pakistanis being thrilled with a mid-term poll, I don't see them again welcoming a military coup again. If not for anything else, for Lal Masjid.
Majumdar bhai, the public has a short memory. All the next army chief needs to do to appease the public is try Mushy for the Lal Masjid killings and people will welcome him with open arms.
After all, Zia hanged Bhutto who was supposedly Pakistan's most loved leader and still continued to rule the country till his death.
#175 Posted by majumdar on May 29, 2008 2:31:15 am
Harishbhai,
(And then Pakis will jump onto the streets in wild celebrations as we saw when Mushy kicked out Nawaz in '99. )
While I dont see the Pakistanis being thrilled with a mid-term poll, I don't see them again welcoming a military coup again. If not for anything else, for Lal Masjid.
Regards
(And then Pakis will jump onto the streets in wild celebrations as we saw when Mushy kicked out Nawaz in '99. )
While I dont see the Pakistanis being thrilled with a mid-term poll, I don't see them again welcoming a military coup again. If not for anything else, for Lal Masjid.
Regards
#174 Posted by harish_hyd on May 29, 2008 2:24:34 am
#173 by majumdar
If the present govt falls and new elections throw up another govt it is no great cause for concern. India has had three premature elections in the 1990s - 1991, 1998, 1999 in addition to the regular ones and was none the worse for it.
Majumdar bhai, please do not compare the situations in India and Pakistan. Before the 1991, 1998, and 1999 premature elections, India had about 4 decades (barring the emergency) of stable elected governments. Pakistan is just finding its democratic feet after about 6 decades. If the present govt falls due to the bickering between NS and Zardari, Pakis being an impatient people will not take it too kindly and who knows that might be the toehold that the next army chief needs to wrestle back into power? And then Pakis will jump onto the streets in wild celebrations as we saw when Mushy kicked out Nawaz in '99.
If the present govt falls and new elections throw up another govt it is no great cause for concern. India has had three premature elections in the 1990s - 1991, 1998, 1999 in addition to the regular ones and was none the worse for it.
Majumdar bhai, please do not compare the situations in India and Pakistan. Before the 1991, 1998, and 1999 premature elections, India had about 4 decades (barring the emergency) of stable elected governments. Pakistan is just finding its democratic feet after about 6 decades. If the present govt falls due to the bickering between NS and Zardari, Pakis being an impatient people will not take it too kindly and who knows that might be the toehold that the next army chief needs to wrestle back into power? And then Pakis will jump onto the streets in wild celebrations as we saw when Mushy kicked out Nawaz in '99.
#173 Posted by majumdar on May 29, 2008 1:52:28 am
Arif bhai,
If the present govt falls and new elections throw up another govt it is no great cause for concern. India has had three premature elections in the 1990s - 1991, 1998, 1999 in addition to the regular ones and was none the worse for it.
Regards
If the present govt falls and new elections throw up another govt it is no great cause for concern. India has had three premature elections in the 1990s - 1991, 1998, 1999 in addition to the regular ones and was none the worse for it.
Regards
#172 Posted by rf786 on May 28, 2008 11:11:28 pm
Re: # 170
Musharraf chapter coming to close, another dictator who could not adapt to changing circumstances, but what next? Turmoil.
Yesterday, Khwaja Asif openly castigating Dogar (CJ) and then NS speech spells trouble for the sitting Govt of Zardari. PML-NS (Punjab) appears to be laying the ground work for next elections. Till then, we will get plenty of rhetoric, bhurkein and bhangras with little movement. Typical besharam NS style, lot of noise but no substance.
Musharraf chapter coming to close, another dictator who could not adapt to changing circumstances, but what next? Turmoil.
Yesterday, Khwaja Asif openly castigating Dogar (CJ) and then NS speech spells trouble for the sitting Govt of Zardari. PML-NS (Punjab) appears to be laying the ground work for next elections. Till then, we will get plenty of rhetoric, bhurkein and bhangras with little movement. Typical besharam NS style, lot of noise but no substance.
#171 Posted by zeemax on May 28, 2008 10:25:40 pm
Nawaz Sharif has yesterday said "Jao Muaaf Kya" over everything done to himself and his family, but has said Musharraf will not be and cannot be let-off without trial for treason on four charges:
1) Kargil
2) 12 October 1999 coup
3) Jamia Hafsa
4) 12th May 2007 - Karachi massacre.
If Zardari does not agree, there will be a mass movement starting on 10 June with PML-N out of the coalition and taking to the streets. Good on ya!
1) Kargil
2) 12 October 1999 coup
3) Jamia Hafsa
4) 12th May 2007 - Karachi massacre.
If Zardari does not agree, there will be a mass movement starting on 10 June with PML-N out of the coalition and taking to the streets. Good on ya!
#170 Posted by zeemax on May 28, 2008 10:01:12 pm
Today's news (not reported by the enlightened motherate press):
1) Three and half hour meeting between mutarraf/Kyani.
2) Triple-One Brigade command taken from mutarraf loyalist Asim bajwa who was appointed by mutarraf before he un-wurdied, and handed to Brigadier Fahim Rao - a career soldier.
3) Presidential SSG guard replaced with a new unit.
4) Announcement of mutarraf's vacating Army House and disgraceful exit expected within 48 hours, with transit camp set-up at President House Islamabad.
So hamidm2, begin your practice of becoming a murgha just as you promised. You will be called upon to do just that!
1) Three and half hour meeting between mutarraf/Kyani.
2) Triple-One Brigade command taken from mutarraf loyalist Asim bajwa who was appointed by mutarraf before he un-wurdied, and handed to Brigadier Fahim Rao - a career soldier.
3) Presidential SSG guard replaced with a new unit.
4) Announcement of mutarraf's vacating Army House and disgraceful exit expected within 48 hours, with transit camp set-up at President House Islamabad.
So hamidm2, begin your practice of becoming a murgha just as you promised. You will be called upon to do just that!
#169 Posted by izuber on May 28, 2008 7:31:33 pm
Re: # 156
If there was a Chowk medal for forthcoming and honest interacting, you certainly qualify for that Dost.
Thanks for maintaining a balance in your interacts, not too many people are around who would say the truth as it is.
Although at times I feel that the people in Pakistan are overcharged and have found a past-time in political expression and elections but you are right in your analysis.
If there was a Chowk medal for forthcoming and honest interacting, you certainly qualify for that Dost.
Thanks for maintaining a balance in your interacts, not too many people are around who would say the truth as it is.
Although at times I feel that the people in Pakistan are overcharged and have found a past-time in political expression and elections but you are right in your analysis.
#168 Posted by izuber on May 28, 2008 7:18:28 pm
Only the ones who know dance are dancing
I read this interesting article and feel that this should be shared with all those who keep an eye on the state of the State and it's dancers, it seems that they all are dancing:
http://www.paktribune.com/news/index.shtml?200966
none less than the other!
I read this interesting article and feel that this should be shared with all those who keep an eye on the state of the State and it's dancers, it seems that they all are dancing:
http://www.paktribune.com/news/index.shtml?200966
none less than the other!
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