Long March

Interesting.

معرآج

Jayp writes "masadi,

Many a people like you celebrated the so called free and fair elections,..."

You clueless fool, while people were celebrating the elections, I called it a farce that was the result of Pak Army manipulations, read my article "Legitimizing a Farce: the 2008 Pakistan Elections and the Pakistan Army"- restoring the judiciary is a completely different issue altogether, for that read my article " Why restoring the Judges is priority #1 for Pakistan". both of these important articles very relevant to the Pakistan political scene were CENSORED by chowk staff so they ended up in my ilog"...

Fisherfolk’s woes


GOVERNMENTS come and go, promising much but delivering nothing to the impoverished fisherfolk community eking out a living on the margins of society. A dire situation is now assuming catastrophic proportions with livelihoods being lost at a rapid pace and an entire way of life at serious risk. On Friday, the Sindh fisheries minister assured the Pakistan Fisherfolk Forum that its concerns would be discussed with the federal government so that equitable solutions can be found. It is hoped that this is more than just a routine statement, for the problems faced by fisherfolk are mounting by the day. Foremost among them are the contract system currently in effect at inland fisheries as well as deep-sea trawling that is depleting marine resources and leaving less catch for local fishermen. Foreign trawlers are not so much fishing in our waters but pillaging them. Their owners have no interest in maintaining the base level of stock required for the natural regeneration of fisheries. When the fish are gone, they will simply move to another part of the world. The locals obviously have no such options.
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From dawn of today. Even in the off shores, the corrupt are killing off the poor of pakistan.

Re: # 36

majumdar,

In teh streets of karachi, people are building their own fortresses, the education system is corrupt with plagiarism by teh professors, jihadi are carrying out major robberies and part of teh loot is going to the military, the only industry pf pakistan, textiles is collapsing due to non investment and pakistan is becoming an exported of raw cotton, agriculture is collapsing due to non investment and water shortage, less we talk about electricity supplies.

There si speading hopelessness, despir and complete destruction of hope among the simple and honest people of pakistan. It is only the corrupta nd criminals atht are flourishing....the country is on a slow death...I have long supported ans posted here about euthnasia for countries and pakistan is teh first candidate.

Re: # 35

SR,

Good to read a honest assessment. It is only iraquisation that can change pakistan brick by brick.

Re: # 20

masadi,

Many a people like you celebrated the so called free and fair elections, nothing has happened. With or without the judges, nothing will cgchnage in pakistan. In a system, if the changing of judges can make so much of a difference then it has no legal system worth its name. It is simply corruption.

Yaar masoomdar, pass some of that shit u are smokin...:)

SR sahib,

Re: 35

Pakistan's problems are serious but they will not destroy it. But pessimism of Pakistanis like you might.

Keep some faith. Pakistan has been moving in the right direction since last year. Pakistan's economic indices are moving up (albeit very slowly). The number of educated and well-off people is increasing and may already have reached a critical mass necessary to sustain democracy. In another decades time army intervention may be completely unthinkable. Short of an outright American invasion, Pakistan can tide over the current crisis, IMHO.

Regards

Re: # 31 Ahmed Madani ["... I really do not knw what can happen for better ? ...]

It is emotionally very difficult, to accept a dark and bleak reality when it comes to the prognosis of someone we love dearly. Our minds play strange tricks on us and we do not realise that we are engaging is denial, self-deception and wishful thinking.

(When my mother was in the hospital, before her death, she showed some improvement that we were not expecting. Well, my sister and I embraced each other and jumped with joy and laughed and joked after having been sad and afraid for two days. We wereso sure that mother has come out of danger and will be going back home with us in just a matter of days. That,sadly, was not to be. But my point is that we were completely overjoyed by the small ray of hope that came only temporarily.)

The prognosis of our Pakistan is GRAVE. It was ill conceived from the beginning and it has endured such enormous ravaging that it's demise is inevitable. I do not say this with any joy or glee. But it is a sad reality.

In fact, as long as the existing federal state apparatus is not completely dismantled and thoroughly torn down, brick by brick, there is absolutely no chance of a better system evolving in its place sometime in the future, but tragically, only after several more decades of suffering and exploitation.

The next military take-over will be the final death blow after these corrupt political rats have gnawed at the bowels of this hapless country. The next military takeover will be explosive and bloody and we will see firing squads in town squares. Then there will be splintering of the military and civil war on Yugoslavian scale that will take down many of the corrupt generals also.

The honest and the innocent, sadly, will suffer while the Humayun Akhtar Khans and Faisel Saleh Hayats of the world will be relaxing in Aspin, Colorado. The Nawaz Sharifs and the Asif Zardaris, I hope, will be swept away by the firing squards.

...SR

Response #2 to tahmed's posted pictures of the march: (relevant to this thread as well)

Posted by masadi on Sunday June 15, 2008 11:40 am
hurricane, this movement is not about the vampiric looking CJ, it is about the rule of law not a person, he happens to be on the right side of the equation that is why the people of this movement are supporting him otherwise they would see him hanged like they want to see Musharraf. Tahmed the hypocrite is just using this to "pull wool" over the eyes of the Pakistanis as he sells them to be butchered to the US, he doesn't really care about law or justice or you would never have seen him cheerlead for an illegal, unlawful, unjust US war on Iraq in 2003. As you can see from the last photo he pasted, he invents opportunities to worship his masters the US elite and their BS master symbols using which they "pull wool" over the eyes of their public whose very humanity they have torn out of their souls in that godforsaken country....

#31 Madani sahib, if they offered their previous front line man, Musharraf for supreme sacrifice do you feel that if the heat is turned up high enough they wont sacrifice Zardari?....eventually they will have to sacrfice their structure because the people are now waking up to the reality of the situation...whatever happens in the interim- and the people suffer in that period- as ZAB also said, the last victory in this land will be of the people

okhla writes "Almost half of the interacts on this article are from a particular bearded bloke who has been banished from US and now is a honorary citizen of Lululand (lulu.com). "

This fool and his friends in his "stink tank" can only respond with ad hominem. This fool has never seen me and does not know me, further there is no beard on my face, and I was never thrown out of the US, if I was how come I was there in 2007 delivering a paper? Explain this you SOB...

Re: # 22 Friend Mr. Masadi I read your comments and second you in most. I was saying it will be long time before President will depart as now he surrounded and protected by PPL+ PML (Q). Americans very cleverly used bb at first and by use of NRO enslaved PPP which is family Hairloom for Bhutto's. Unfortunately it is very sad and loss for ZAB/s work and PPP as party as Journey began with such great hope and tributlations and sufferings and now party has become tool of elist american as blunt instrument to be used against nation od pakistan.
I feel this first round hyopefully leads to gradual demise of dictectoral powers of state and people at helmm.
NS is not paragon of Virtue is really sad, he is more in ethinic clanish mood and that can be detrimental to federation.
Z and PPP establishment and family can not survive without NRO. Justice Chodhary will definitely will not allow NRO to stand and that means loss family PPP company controlled by Bhutto family. I do not think PPp or congress party of India can survive witout some body heading party without Bhutto od Gandhi's is sad but true thing. Neither Judge is saint , he only got in "democratic mood" when he was fired by general.
There are no heros or pious people . ( In that matter old mr. Gandi ( mr Manto has deprived him of mahatma title) was pious man in sense he acted in what he believed).
Now nobody believes in anything and nothing to act on belief, there is no idealogy or program from General, Z, PM or Judge. All idealogy is you scartch my back and I will scratch yours.
This march resembles as french revolution as workers of france gather at "state bank " and what do about ahead and that revolution led to dictetorship. Mindless lawyers assembled and they did not have any program so they went home. Vindicated evil plan of Z and president to rule just for self help all family interests over nation.NS has self interests of Punjab, Z care about family interests, and president just care about himself and american agenda may be he is awarded monetarily that will seen later as epilogue to this miserable situation. When people follow corroupt leaders nothing comes out but all efforts in waste .
I am saddened by events. No body is manning govt and inflation of food and ;lack of power is killing. General Kayani also must be in dilema. He can not take over as army can not now controil masses. Even docile Sindhis have become aggressive as seen by rumpage done after death of BB and they are absolved of all violence as first time like MQM power Sindhi power is rising. Punjabi's feel felt out and out raged by cancelling of Kalabagh and loss of water and even though have numbers sindi leader is calling shots with confidence. B Stan is on fire and BLA is doing all damage it can.
I really do not knw what can happen for better ?
Hope some intelligent people can give "practical ways".
Good night.

Hi all,

Almost half of the interacts on this article are from a particular bearded bloke who has been banished from US and now is a honorary citizen of Lululand (lulu.com).

Kindly ignore his stinky droppings which he attempts to scatter in all directions.

Hi all,

Almost half of the interacts on this article are from a particular bearded bloke who has been banished from US and now is a honorary citizen of Lululand (lulu.com).

Kindly ignore his stinky droppings which he attempts to scatter in all directions.

tahmed writes "And AA and NS spoke with insight, with clarity and with strength"

The only reason why this peon of the West does not praise Imran Khan's speech (which was based on the great insight)is because he called BS on his master (the US elite's) and revealed the barbarism of the Americans in this area. That is the only reason why this backstabbing fool (tahmed), who uses this fluff to support the Pakistani people while hiding and defending those that butchers them, cannot be trusted and needs to be hung by parliament decree together with that other peon of the West, Musharraf, who similarly sold us all to be slaughtered as supreme sacrifice to his American gods.....