America's Opportunity in Pakistan's Tribal Belt

Adam Khan...

Those who have killed Rajiv Gandhi are Tamil refugees from SRilanka and they have quite valid reason for that. Why Indian forces will engage in a battle, which will create large scale Tamil refugees in Tamil Nadu?

After Rajiv Gandhi's death, his party swept in Parliamentarian poll in Tamil Nadu.....

Gene is not the only decisive criteria for a person's /societie's attitude/behaviour....

Adam Khan...
LTTE matter is ethnic issue in SriLanka, which has taken ugly turn due to GoL's attitute of creating a monilithic Govt. India have provided quite reasonable solution for this (Like India, in Singapore too Tamil is one of the official languages.). Treat Tamil language at par with Sinhaleese or at least use this as one of the official languages.
Anyhow, all Tamilians do not support LTTE movement. Most of the Indian Tamils wants peaceful negotiation. Only the expatriate Tamils from Srilanka, provides financial and material support to the armed movement. Only prominant leader from India, who support LTTE movement and not in jail is M Karunanidhi.

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Adam Khan...

Closer to home, people can be handled any time. But, Paki and tribals were knowing the full consequences of trying to invade Kashmir after Maharaja of Kashmir, Hari Singh signs succession to India and Indian armed forces arrive in Kashmir border. These are the same Indian soldiers, who have fought in WWII and are quite skilled to handle the tribals (specialy Sikh and Gorkha regiments). So, quite naturally, make merry of whatever is available in Kashmir as early as possible...Anyhow Gandhi and Nehru is there to see Indian moslems are not maltreated.

Regarding US stuff, Arjun and I, both have answered quite precisely. The concept of Jihad, the mediaval arab barbarism, is in muslim mind for long time. Moslems treat this with heretic pride. US have not created that concept. If the mediaval Jihadis used Swords created from Indian steel, wootz, steel reinforced with carbon nanotubes, the jihadis in eighties used US provided FM-Stinger, RPGs and assualt rifels. That much difference.

Will you make people believe that from more than 5000 Km away without any cultural affinity or mass interaction, USA can introduce new concept in a remote society?

Couple of matters....
When you blame Taliban for destroying Buddha statue in Bamian and try to make it look like isolated incident, have you ever brought to people, what crime Muhammed and his maurading army committed on Temple of Kaaba? What is heroes of Pakistani society, like Mehmud of Ghajni done on Indian temples, like Somnath Temple in Patan, Gujrat?

Stuka:

Dont fall into the trap of creating equivalencies where none exist.

Do not be misled by looking at the arguments Pakis make. They claim that it was Zia who radicalized Pakistan.
That is not true !. Zia was only the result of a process that started long time ago.
Remember that 'mujahideen' invaded Kashmir in 1948.
The libraries in Pakistan were cleansed of all books published from India in the 1950's and 1960's.
The schools in Pakistan taught hatred against Hindus from the very beginning itself and massive numbers of Hindus were expelled in the 50's and 60's.
Also keep in mind,that Pakistan itself was a radical new islamic creation. It was economically large islamic state in 1947.

So Pakistani citizens bear full responsibility for their actions and cannot blame saudis, usa etc.

#93, that explains suicide bombers!

#92 Posted by stuka on August 1, 2008 6:22:40 pm

Pakistan's strategy in kashmir and a'stan was like a person infecting himself with the AIDS virus hoping to kill his enemy by spitting on him..

Arjun: Adam Khan makes a valid point. The only difference - and it is a KEY difference, is that India never redicalized its own population to fight foreign wars. Had Pakistan encouraged Jihad only in Kashmir and Aghanistan - only for Kashmiris and Afghans to fight, the blow back against Pakistan would be much reduced. Reduced, not eliminated, because India did face blowback from Sri Lanka, be it Rajeev Gandhi, or the loss of thousands of troops of the IPKF. If Pakistan had restricted itself to training Afghans only, far from publicity or large scale indoctrination, blowback would have been some pissed of Mujahideen killing a couple of politicians / generals. No big loss, and certainly no loss of actual territory to a mass movement.

Mulla Manadar Multankar (aka Masadi sahab),

can i expect those 100 words from you. chodo Kal ki baten of jewish and anglo elite, together we will create Shantic Swarg in what hinoods used to call BharathVarsha. Please do not get distracted by Arjuns.

Arjun writes "OTOH, pakis looks upon people who flew planes into buildings full of civilians as heroes.. "

No sir, they thought of them as Jewish or American criminals that were framing the Muslims.... Have some respect for the facts or the facts of your life might dupe you similarly.

I remain, the sage of the duped, the savior of those entrapped in a plastic existance, but most of all I humbly remain,

the New and Improved Masadi...

#82 Tahir sahib I was referring to our bretheren and sister-en from across the border that have brought the IT miracle to the subcontinent and the useless gadgets that give them a feel of having reached the 'mass consumption' take-off stage. I was certainly not referring to the third of bombay, our brethern and sister-en who live by the roadside because the these miracle makers haven't been able to program 'roti, kapra and makan' into the city matrix...

Thank you kindly and keep your mind off the gadgets that are 'made in china' for the US market to counter the effects of a plastic society....

I remain humbly,

The New and Improved Masadi....

Chowk Staff can raise the level of discussion by creating glossary of words which are thrown at each other randomly, e.g., bigot, secularism, fascism, capitalism, egalitarian, democracy, dictatorship and so on. Shantic definition of bigot might be very different from Sanatani or normal American English definition. Mulla Mandar might have his own definition. So to understand each other posts their should be individualized glossary for each poster and when we are reading a poster's response by bringing the mouse over the "hot word" the definition of it from the poster's glossary should pop up.

The only reason for Pakistan to meddle in Afghanistan was because Pakistan was created to be a permanent Munna who will do constant ungling in India so that India is destabilized and neo-colonized. Shantic (Islamic in Araabic) hate of Hindus was used for this purpose using the anglophile pakistani elite (ape). Pakistan is not an independent country, it is an anglophile ape ruled or arabized ape ruled country for their masters. Unless subcontinental Shanti (aka Islam in Arabic) is indianized there is no hope for the converts. So please contribute with your intellectual effort in this pious work.

arjun:

The tamil resistance had no support in india outside the tamil community..none whatsoever..

and Tamils are not Indians?

but in any case, you admit that as a democracy india did support terror on a foreign land, and by that token did something that was similar to Pakistan's support of Afghan Jihadis. The difference, we did it under a dictatorship, you guys did it as a democracy. The Indians thus are more responsible for the innocent killed in Sri Lanka than the Pakistanis are for the Indians killed in Kashmir.

India didn't radicalize it's own population...schools in bombay and delhi weren't being told of the sri lankan army killing hindus..that's where you lost out

OFFCOURSE we lost out, that is what I have been trying to tell you... you had a democracy and the politicians saw that spreading terror would be a good thing as long as its outside of India's border. We had a dictatorship that didnt give a fuck about the people. I agree.

the afghans fighting the soviets were looked upon as freedom fighters..and rightfully so...

Given that you have already admitted to the fact that our security apparatus was behind the brainwashing done in Pakistan. What makes you disagree when I say that this indoctrination was a direct consequence of the "Freedom Fight" that the Americans so "rightfully" supported?

#82 Posted by tahir

... and if by "every useless gadget to our frontiers" you mean certain battery-operated pleasure-producing devices given as 'regulation issue' to the female soldiers of these global liberators?

Tahir Sahib Tsk Tsk ... don't you know why women were inducted into the US Army front-duty in the first place?

That's the lesson they learnt in Vietnam. Of-course then they used to send Jane Fonda and some other bimbos to entertain the fed-up US soldiers. Now they know better. Now it's 'Full Service'.

#80 Posted by adamkhan on August 1, 2008 9:27:39 am


Opinions change over time, consider the change in the support for the Tamil resistance in India.


Inconvenient(for you) fact: The tamil resistance had no support in india outside the tamil community..none whatsoever..

how many indians(heck even indian tamils) blew shit up in colombo? ZERO...

OTOH, your own government has, just today, fessed up to the whole ISI/jihadi thingy..not to mention the number of pakis who're being killed in afghanistan..

what about the afghan government fingering paki fighters? are they hateful hindus or zionists or american imperialists?


The state as well as the people of India supported terrorist outfits such as the Tamil Elam Liberation Organization. It was only after the assassination of Rajiv Gandhi that a ban was imposed on the Tamil Tigers and the tamil nationalist parties had to retract their support.


India didn't radicalize it's own population...schools in bombay and delhi weren't being told of the sri lankan army killing hindus..that's where you lost out..your security apparatus indoctrinated a population that was already pre-disposed


What if a similar poll was conducted in the United States in the 80s, how much approval do you think would the afghan jihadis including OBL have gotten?


A complete non-sequitor...the afghans fighting the soviets were looked upon as freedom fighters..and rightfully so...

OTOH, pakis looks upon people who flew planes into buildings full of civilians as heroes..

Re: # 81 Aziz Max
Make that:
Ask for the 12" Asadi all-veggy and get a personal 6" free!

:)