Murad A Baig July 15, 2000
#6 Posted by veeresh on July 17, 2000 10:28:49 am
This article is yet another attempt by a perfidious Indian to either run down Pakistan or glorify it, to either show India in a bad light or shine sodium vapour on it, it is also showing Hindus and Muslims as inferior to Japanese who have their own Aiino tribals to content with, further more as we all know the Japanese revere the dog and that if anything is being very un-Indian and un-Pakistani.
If I didn`t know Murad personally, i would say that I suspect a foreign hand behind this article!
Long live palak-paneer!
Long live chaat at Shah Jahan Road in Delhi!!
Long live Sridevi especially in swimsuits!!!
Long live Roxy Music and Supertramp!!!!
Long live internal combustion engines!!!!!
Long live Linda Lovelace!!!!!!
#3 Posted by scout on July 16, 2000 11:42:44 pm
hmmmm ...... interesting, especially the part of Kojiro`s head breaking upon.
Is this guy really worth all the praise for the learning etc. just to destroy human life?
I guess organized violence such as this has it`s glamour, much like organized crimes aka ``The Godfather.``
It`s a shame.
Is this guy really worth all the praise for the learning etc. just to destroy human life?
I guess organized violence such as this has it`s glamour, much like organized crimes aka ``The Godfather.``
It`s a shame.
#2 Posted by Urstruly on July 16, 2000 10:18:53 pm
Dear Murad!
Thanks for giving us a good insight into the ancient Japanese art of warfare at individual level and associated philosophies. My knowledge of ancient Japanese warfare is limited to Bruce Lee’s and other Kung Fu and Ninja movies. However, I did read some account of mastery of Mughal soldiers in Abdul Haleem Sharar’s (the famous Urdu writer circa 1870) and some British writers’ articles. Sharar`s work is kind of post apocalypse accounts of the War of Independence in 1857.
One of his depictions by Sharar that I like most is the story of an old Mughal cavalier who was living in oblivion somewhere in Delhi after the war. It was several years after the war when a British soldier came looking for him. He had heard that the cavalier was an excellent rider of his time. After a little searching he located the soldier who was then frail and old. The Tommy asked him to show some of his feats of riding that he had heard about. The old man first tried to evade him by saying that he was not young anymore and couldn’t ride a horse but when Brit started hurling insults at him he agreed. The old man rode on the horse and took it to about 100 feet at gallop, came back and disembarked. The frustrated Brit asked him what the hell was that. The old man smiled and asked him to look at the footprints made by horseshoes. The half crescent that was made by the horseshoes when horse was moving away were complemented by horseshoe marks that were made during horses coming back to make a figure like number 8 on all four prints.
Sharar also tells us about the swordmanship of Mughal soldiers and other common Muslims. Luth Baazi, Binnot, and Gatka were popular sports of the time (these three items are different arts of fight with clubs and bamboo sticks) before the war. He describes the mastery of Gatka fighters with an example that Gatka fighters were so fast that one wouldn’t let a pigeon fly from under a Charpai (cot).
After the War the Brits prohibited all marshal sports. Especially, Muslims were prohibited even to carry a Lathi or to ride a horse. All literature of martial arts was confiscated and shipped to East India Library in London. Muslims were prohibited to keep any such literature and if found guilty were severely punished. Many foundries where swords, guns, and cannons were forged were closed down by force. Did any one ever notice that we do not find any such foundries and ancient armoury shops any where in Subcontinent, especially, in Pakistan (tribal areas in NWFP and Baluchistan are a different story).
Probably, Michievili (forgive my spelling) writes that if you want to steal self reliance and dignity from a nation take its history and skill of warfare away from it. That is what Brits did right after the war.
Thanks for giving us a good insight into the ancient Japanese art of warfare at individual level and associated philosophies. My knowledge of ancient Japanese warfare is limited to Bruce Lee’s and other Kung Fu and Ninja movies. However, I did read some account of mastery of Mughal soldiers in Abdul Haleem Sharar’s (the famous Urdu writer circa 1870) and some British writers’ articles. Sharar`s work is kind of post apocalypse accounts of the War of Independence in 1857.
One of his depictions by Sharar that I like most is the story of an old Mughal cavalier who was living in oblivion somewhere in Delhi after the war. It was several years after the war when a British soldier came looking for him. He had heard that the cavalier was an excellent rider of his time. After a little searching he located the soldier who was then frail and old. The Tommy asked him to show some of his feats of riding that he had heard about. The old man first tried to evade him by saying that he was not young anymore and couldn’t ride a horse but when Brit started hurling insults at him he agreed. The old man rode on the horse and took it to about 100 feet at gallop, came back and disembarked. The frustrated Brit asked him what the hell was that. The old man smiled and asked him to look at the footprints made by horseshoes. The half crescent that was made by the horseshoes when horse was moving away were complemented by horseshoe marks that were made during horses coming back to make a figure like number 8 on all four prints.
Sharar also tells us about the swordmanship of Mughal soldiers and other common Muslims. Luth Baazi, Binnot, and Gatka were popular sports of the time (these three items are different arts of fight with clubs and bamboo sticks) before the war. He describes the mastery of Gatka fighters with an example that Gatka fighters were so fast that one wouldn’t let a pigeon fly from under a Charpai (cot).
After the War the Brits prohibited all marshal sports. Especially, Muslims were prohibited even to carry a Lathi or to ride a horse. All literature of martial arts was confiscated and shipped to East India Library in London. Muslims were prohibited to keep any such literature and if found guilty were severely punished. Many foundries where swords, guns, and cannons were forged were closed down by force. Did any one ever notice that we do not find any such foundries and ancient armoury shops any where in Subcontinent, especially, in Pakistan (tribal areas in NWFP and Baluchistan are a different story).
Probably, Michievili (forgive my spelling) writes that if you want to steal self reliance and dignity from a nation take its history and skill of warfare away from it. That is what Brits did right after the war.
#1 Posted by taimurmalik on July 16, 2000 9:11:44 pm
thanxs..atleast it was different:)
regards,
Taimur.
regards,
Taimur.
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