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ALLAH HAFIZ

``You should get out of the box - use your imagination a bit !``

And the converse maybe apt in your case - as you seem to be using your imagination a wee bit too much.

kind regards -

Harimau #167

Eeman Ki Baat Hai.

Hindu Hai To Kia Hua.

Kahta Such Hai.

Bhai Tere Jaise Khare Aadmi Ki Dosti Bhi Acchhi or Dushmani Bhi Acchi.

Ref Godot #: 117

[What I find most ironic about the Kumbh Mela is that it took place in a city called ``Allahabad``! If those RSS and World Hindu Council folks were all dead, as the saying goes, they must be turning in their graves!]

The Kumbh mela takes place about 15 kilometers fropm the Allahabad city center. The name of the place is Prayag. If today the name gets changed, all of you pigs will be up in arms, claiming an insult to Allah. The pathetic Indian Muslim League will lead the frenzy, the Congress Party will join in to ensure it gets the Muslim votes, the Pakistani newspapers will have a field day, and the rest of the Islamic world wouldn`t give a hoot.

As for anybody turning in his grave, it should be Jinnah. After he took his followers to the Land of the Pure, the organization he headed, the Indian Muslim League, had to align itself with its erstwhile enemy, the Indian National Congress, in order to have any chance of electoral victories. And the folks who wanted Partition the least, the Punjabis, by their sheer majority got to rule over those who demanded a separate country: the Sindhis, the Pathans, and the Baluchis, and even the East Bengalis. Talk about ironies!

re. vicky #161:

``Are symbols a substitute for the original? An association with a feeling, an experience, or an aspiration? Aren`t symbols everywhere? The most successful use of symbolism’s are, I think, in religion and commercials! Whatever it is about symbols, they don`t connote the same meaning to everyone. Symbols mean something only to an audience that recognizes the symbol and makes the association``

ok. you have a point on ``symbols [only] mean something when they....``

Now, does this `meaning` need to come through conscious thought? How about subliminal connections to our intincts and drives?

Somehow, I feel that all of this controversy only arises because sex is spelt with four leeters instead of three. we`re applying our modern and postmodern language and conceptions to peactices that have their origins in antiquity.

it is hard to imagine that that distinction between `sex` and fertility that wisecomment makes in #162 would have had any meaning to those who first used this symbolism.

While we continue to operate libidinally in the same way as our distant ancestors, we screw things up by thinking that our words completely encapsulate reality, and by analysing behaviour to shreds.

:(

re. wisecomments #162

Wise Comments! Very!

I agree with your appraisal of our friend Urstruly`s behaviour. Hope he can step back a little and evaluate his recent behaviour. He really is a guy with a `saaf neeyat` otherwise-- saaf-er than most here, incl. myself.

Now, judging from the last sentence in your post, I am willing to bet my shirt you`re not living in the US. If you were, you`d know that adultery is by and large, a VERY big deal here. I`d even venture to say that, at least as far as the husband commiting it goes, it`s tolerated a lot more in our eastern cultures than it is in the West.

Scout is a threat to huMANity.

scout bitya,

{{Pardon the crudity but...}}

tsk tsk tsk. While I`m trying to refine myself & turn into a good boy, you are getting crude! I think the bad manners of your older brother are rubbing off on you. I`m so sorry about my bad influence..

Oh what the heck...I pardon you:) Mind you its only because youre cute! er, in a sisterly way, of course!

Let me give you some unsolicited, but brotherly advice:

NEVER speak so disparagingly about a man`s ..ahem..assets. When Satan was squirting testesterone producing cells into Adam, he also cursed him. ``O Adam``, he said ``you and your kind will nuture, cherish & protect these items. You will love them so much that you will call them your family jewels!``. Thats why castration anxiety is the greatest fear a man has. Ask Freud if you dont believe me.

When you speak about doing all those dispicable things to our family jewels, your words hit below the belt. Only us men can really appreciate how much that hurts:)!

If you have ever watched the TLC program, it shows that some newly wed in Korea go and worship an idol of penis(and it looks like penis) as fertility God. Now are they worshiping for sex or for offspring? I guess people obssesed with sex will say it is sex.

urstruly#

You are a nice man. Your views of Hindus are just wrong. Same as Hindu fundamentalists views of Muslims. I would assume most Hindu fundamentalists, (not the leaders) would be otherwise nice people like you.

Getting the right picture, giving the right sense of proportionality to the events is an art. It is very difficult for emotional people. The first step is to find people around you who have the right sense of proportionality.

Somebody#

A new born baby has the tendency to put everything in the mouth because he/she derives pleasure from it. Perhaps this pleasure is necessary as the child has to drink milk and learn to eat.

Now one can consolidate all forms of pleasure under the word ``sex`` and redefine what one means by ``sex``, very much like many other people with their own ``agenda`` redefine words.

Some say religion is based on ``guilt`` well liberalism is based on ``guilt`` too. People when making mistake, feel guilty because of ``religion``. People when they hide their mistake are forced to feel ``guilty`` because liberalist accuse them of being hypocrite.

Should the mistake be considered ``mistake`` or not I am not sure. For example, should Adultry be considered a mistake to feel guilty about, or should we say it is normal? I think in todays India/Pakistan it is something we should be ashamed of. I am not sure about America.

Farzana,

#151

``As Freud said, a cigar is also a cigar. By all means people do not think about sex when going to a place of worship, but there is something called symbolism, which seems to have escaped you. You are right: I am not wise. If I were, I would not be responding to many posts here. ``

Are symbols a substitute for the original? An association with a feeling, an experience, or an aspiration? Aren`t symbols everywhere? The most successful use of symbolism’s are, I think, in religion and commercials! Whatever it is about symbols, they don`t connote the same meaning to everyone. Symbols mean something only to an audience that recognizes the symbol and makes the association.

You obviously have your own chain of thought, making you associate religious acts with sex. And bigger religious gatherings with more sex! You have a right to your own symbolism’s - just try not to generalize and justify the pathetic imagination.

Freud was right. Didn’t Clinton light it up after all? But a note for you here - A Cigar also a symbolizes machismo, luxury, power… And not just what YOU were thinking.

Aicha,

“ well - it isnt and she isnt and shouldnt you know better?? “

You should get out of the box - use your imagination a bit ! Didn`t someone say - `` Zindagi ek rang manch hai.. ``

How can you have so little imagination, especially when you are defending someone with a such a hyper imagination?

#159,

Pardon the crudity but...

Castration is the other option.

Or radiation therapy for the offending cells producing the offending hormone.

Wonder if men can become as sweet and docile as freshly neutered dogs after the above mentioned therapies.

Or we could always perform a partial testectomy,

keep one for procreation, lose the other to curb aggression and wandering libidos.

Whatever the case, men`s attitudes these days are pathetic enough to demand some sort of therapy.

scout,

{{What about all these male pigs who make derogatory remarks about women on Chowk?}}

How dare you call us men, pigs! badtameez!! If our behavior is like pigs, its because we`ve been given testesterone. It is that damn testesterone that makes us behave in that piggy way. Its not our fault that God gave us testesterone! Blame testesterone...blame God ...blame whatever. But dont blame us men!

Farzana,

For the same reason stop having a low esteem for beta Ali! That ``unknown substance`` he was high on, was guess what?! It was that cursed testesterone again.

Nobody feels bad for us men that we have to endure that scourge of all hormones--testesterone.

When God made Adam, Satan came slinking by when He was`nt looking & squirted some testesterone producing cells in Adam`s..er, you know what!

As the great male philosopher Tim Allen in Home Improvement says ``us men stick together--aw aw aw aw awooooo!!

re macgupta #148:

http://dalistan.org/books/decline/decline11.html

Defending any religious practice by saying that the original intention was different is the easiest cop out. I would have expected something more original from someone of your intellectual calibre.

and Ms. Versey:

Please leave poor urstruly alone. Treat his repeated muddled attempts to appear intelligent as a case of chronic foot in the mouth disease.

later

-sac

lassie #149,

Go chew a bone. Strengthens the teeth.