TiECon 2001

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zahra zahra zahra - Totally forgot to give you my email - ahmed_aicha@yahoo.com. Just now realized it and have backtracked to this thread. I would love to stay in touch off-chowk so pls email wehn you have a chance.

aicha

aicha:

Great Post!

Indeed, very tactful :)

Impressive :D

Take Care.

Mr Aamir - 2 things i wanted to mention - this is a plave to exchange ideas and not to take things to heart. If you disagree either duke it out or ignore that person - but why drop out? C`mon the more the merrier. Second - re meeting up - good idea but given our past record of having nothing nice to say to each other - which was fun (sometimes!!) - see no reason why we should spoil this happy stat quo by having to be nice in person : ) - am sure you will agree - oui??

aicha

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aicha: That sounds good.

By the way on your comment about *nearly missing * the thread...I think all the threads as well as the interactors are not worth reading at all! So I don`t blame you :)

Take Care.

Zahra - nearly missed your post as I am not uptodate on all the threads. Good to hear from you and would love to head out to a beach evenings. Pt Pleasant sounds good. THe one I went to was somewhere in Long Island - just ended up there with a friend dont kno whow. You know the other thing I would love to do but never had the inclination to is hit the practive ranges - where everyone tries their putt`ig(??) So let me know the w`s (ie.. who what wehn and where). The foll 2 weeks will be a bit busy (mother in town : ) : ) : )) but any time after that will be good.

aicha

RSaxena #221 Thanks for declaring me the victor. But we have a problem: In a discussion both sides are winners, regardless of the outcome. In an argument both sides are the losers and the outcome is known in advance. So, either way, I cannot be declared ``Victor of TiECon 2001`` (much as the idea of being a victor pleases me).

So, I dont feel like a victor. In fact, I feel like a loser....now would that mean we ended by arguing when we could have been discussing? hmmmm....perhaps the person you refer to can provide the answer...if anyone is still around on this board.

aicha:

Sorry could not get back to you earlier,I have been away. I remembered you telling me once that you are in the tri-state area. Which beach were you talking about? I head out to Point Pleasant than anywhere else. There are a few others as well, I guess Belmar and etc, but I cannot seem to recollect their names. It`s really nice and no traffic and air-traffic(the one you will hear near JFK).

On another note: I detest Atlantic City, the dirtiest and stinking place. Just went there 5 years back to listen to Gypsy King live. Amazing concert, but deplorable surroundings when you come out of the hotel. Since then, I would not ever take my family, guests or any friends to that munhoos place. Anyway, if you are ever around Southern Part/NJ or plan to go, let me know. I am at least an hour away from the Southern Part as I am way too close to Manhattan, but still we can see if we can meet up there. Also, nowadays it is nice to be at the beach in the evening. I would never head out in the morning anyway. Just a thing about Point Pleasant: There are not many nice eateries on-site, but there are fine places in the outskirts and in the city. It`s a place that you would think you have read it in Enid Blyton`s books. The train station seems to me right out of a fairy tale, very cute. Every time I head out there, I do look around Kaheen Koi Fairy Hee Nazar Aa Jayae`. I guess it must be the after effect of watching Robin William in Peter Pan :)

Take Care.

Re: TAhmed

I have yet to receive a response to my post #119 from the person it was addressed to. Why do you think you will get any of your points addressed by this person in any relevant context?

You`ve won this argument hands down...leave your deluded opponents here to play amongst themselves and roll around in a pot of useless drivel.

Tahmed:

First of all, if you read carefully the post was addressed to URS. Just in case you missed it.

Secondly, URS has many times signed under his real name and I am pretty well aware of that. I never meant him.

PS: Your comprehension as usual is pretty disappointing!

Zahra #218 Please dont divert from the real issues by encouraging urstruly to ``speak his mind``: The problem is not speaking one`s mind, but (a) what one has on the mind to begin with (which is why we have chowk discussions) and (b) how one says it (which is why certain etiquettes - or netiquette - have developed on the internet, at least among grown up people).

Also, when you write ``These spineless fellows cannot even stand by their own views under their real names`` you do injustice to urstruly!! He is perfectly within his rights of privacy on chowk not to use his real name and you have no business calling him names simply because he refuses to use his real name on chowk.

URS:

``You still have to prove that I have written a hateful post, then we can talk about discussion and stuff. Or you have an option to act on Kessinger Doctrine ``Declare yourself victorious and get the hell out (of Vietnam)``. I suggest later. ``

I think the issue you run into has to do with the verbiage you use. Personally, some may be pretty clear on your intent behind your posts; but I do not think everyone else can comprehend that factor. Now, it is all up to you how you want to write. Do you want to say whatever you feel without any pruning ? Or do you want to be diplomatic like many on board ?

One thing that I will like to give you a credit for, is the authenticity of your posts. I do not agree at all with all your perspectives. I think we have had quite a few discussions on those. But at least you write what you feel and who you are than those on board[not even worth looking at]who are wearing garbs on Chowk, whereas in real life they represent a completely different outlook. These ``spineless`` fellows cannot even stand by their own views under their real names. How disgusting!

Take Care.

urstruly #216 You have the right idea (``declare victory and get out``) but attribute it to the wrong man - it was Senator George Aiken in 1966, not Henry Kissinger, who used this famous phrase regarding US involvement in Vietnam. Having known you to be always every careful with your facts, :-), I assume this was just a temporary lapse in the careful research on which you base your statements on chowk. As for your not being proved to have written any hate statements in your posts, I think you should apply for Minister of Information to any South Asian government: they can always use people who can say such things without cracking a smile. Anyway, you have all of the future to prove me wrong and show that you are indeed a reasonable person who is engages in nothing but constructive discussions with his brothers and sisters from across the border against whom he has not one hateful thing to say (and smilingly treat provocations by those across the border who do not reciprocate your noble feelings of brotherhood). We would all then look up to you as the elder statesman on chowk.

Do that, and rest assured that the ``khoti`` will ``aan khloti`` at the right place.

#215

jithay di khotee, othay aan khaloti.

You still have to prove that I have written a hateful post, then we can talk about discussion and stuff. Or you have an option to act on Kessinger Doctrine ``Declare yourself victorious and get the hell out (of Vietnam)``. I suggest later.

urstruly #206 ``I suggest that we take this discussion somewhere else for Ras` sake. I let you chose the board.``

I will be glad to discuss any issue with you or anyone else - Kashmir, the future of South Asia, or whatever. But before one can have any discussion, one needs to respect certain ground rules: maintaining a respectful tone, not only in the discussion itself but on ALL posts one EVER makes to chowk regarding ANY group of people. If you agree to this - and this means never again posting the types of hate posts that got this discussion started - then we can talk. We may still disagree, but that is not the point.

As for the question of Ras S.`s board, I have already explained to Ras S. (I hope he will have the time to respond at some point) in my earlier post why internet discussions are part of the IT revolution. Nor do I see any discussion taking place on IT among South Asians that this, or any other discussion, is going to disrupt. And even if there was, it is easy enough to ignore such posts.

So, if you agree to the ground rules as mentioned above, then this board will do. If you do not, then I think we have made our respective points clear and can bring this interaction to an end.