Every Nightmare has a Reason

Studebaker,

Answer this question, if you have the balls.

How many people were inside the Babri Masjid when it was demolished by crazed Hindu fanatics?

Answer me, you mo-fo.

Answer to the world!

Ref Studebaker #: 9

You quoted me:

``We need to nuke every single madrassah. Stalin showed you how you need to be treated if you are to be kept under control.

Animals!``



And replied,

``Hari.a.MoU

why does this conjure up a vision of frothing ,hyperventilating ,gibberish ,barking more than pain ,agony or even true empathy for the victim.

There were muslims,both asian & mid eastern who died in this tragedy .In case you forget this is not delhi or Chennai .The u.s. govt. themselves are waiting for the investigation before any blame ,& you thinking this is Bharat ,already ready to start a riots against all muslims like back home .Thank god i,m AMERICAN MUSLIM``



Now that I am back home, I can answer you but I am not sure any of you brain-washed idiots will answer any of my questions.

In case you didn`t watch CBS, NBC, CNN, BBC or any of the `slanted` Western news reports (isn`t it unfortunate that we don`t get The Voice of Truth known as PTV or Radio Shariat from Afghanistan here?), you would know that the US has enough evidence to identify EVERY SINGLE hijacker as an Arab and a Muslim, and the blame rests on them. Unless of course they were all recruited by RAW and Mossad as a joint Indo-Israeli operation against the US, which I am sure Sarwari would soon be advancing as an argument.

All of you fcuking idiots were kept under control by people like Stalin. You should be glad that Britain protected you all during WWII or Hitler would have sent you all to the gas chambers. And the gratitude you return to these people is to kill them by the thousands for the crime of being fathers, mothers, wage-earners, and hard-workers.

How many Bangladeshis who worked in the restaurant trade in the basements of the World Trade Center are even known to the world? Some little child will not know why her father didn`t return from work, some poor illiterate woman will not be able to explain that her husband went to work and never returned. They will have to go through living hell for the rest of their lives so that you fcukers can enjoy your 72 houris in heaven.

Afghanistan was a country where art flourished when the country was Buddhist and Hindu. Today, the Bamiyan Buddhas are blown up, music is banned and every trace of ancient culture is being wiped out. Can you guess what the cause is? Let me give you a hint: there is a book in the world that says this is what one should do. Will you name this book, you brain-dead mo-fo? Do you have the balls?

It is the same book that promises that you will get into heaven and have 72 houris and 24 (is that the right number?) ghilmans to satisfy your every need when you kill somebody.

Name that book, if you will. There is a $100 reward for you in it.

Where is that Headshrinker now? Why isn`t he analyzing these events, soothing us with his words of wisdom? Gone hiding, eh? Does his sister-in-law wander around the US proclaiming how great she feels as a Muslim now?

ANIMALS!

``Why is that an Indian muslim is more comfortable in association with an Algerian, a Bangladeshi, a Pakistani, a Morroccan, a Saudi, any Muslim, even a Sudanese would do, anything but any non-muslim from India? ``

Going by all taht you have written - is it any wonder taht this is the case. And now for a good dose of carbolic - pls stop grinding this stupid old axe. Have you ever stopped to think - if you(in the best sense of the word and nothing personal) have suffered this indignity at the hands of a muslim then it must have been because of YOU & YOU ALONE/YOUR PERSONALITY - and this is not a reflection on the rest of the Hindu/Muslim population as much as you might want us to believe. If you do feel so strongly - let something positive come out of it - try to see things from the other perspective, make that extra effort to come out of your shell and extend a hand of friendship - you will be surprised to see how quickly these poisonous sentiments evaporate. And for gods sake stop and think before espousing such nonsense to the next generation.

aicha

stuka #230:

thank you for bringing this board to its senses…..could you please post this on all the boards at chowk?

hobbyty

You stand exposed for who you are - a pan islamist hateful fanatic who probably funds and houses terrorists going off to kill innocent people. If you dont you will soon be doing so.

Goowardan

You usually just call be a bigot, hypocrite, hateful, liar, snake oil salesman - now you wonder if I have shame? have a brain? Sorry, you Hindu fanatics don`t need a brain.

This guy is from my college....

My name is Usman Farman and I graduated from Bentley with a Finance degree last May. I am 21 years old, turning 22 in October; I am Pakistani, and I am Muslim. Until September 10th 2001, I used to work at the World Trade Center in building #7. I had friends and acquaintances who worked in tower #1 right across from me. Some made it out, and some are still unaccounted for. I survived this horrible event.

I’d like to share with you what I went through that awful day, with the hopes that we can all stay strong together; through this tragedy of yet untold proportions. As I found out, regardless of who we are, and where we come from, we only have each other.

I commute into the city every morning on the train from New Jersey. Rather, I used to. I still can’t believe what is happening. That morning I woke up and crawled out of bed. I was thinking about flaking out on the train and catching the late one, I remember telling myself that I just had to get to work on time. I ended up catching the 7:48 train, which put me in Hoboken at 8:20 am. When I got there I thought about getting something to eat, I decided against it and took the PATH train to the World Trade Center. I arrived at the World Trade at 8:40 in the morning. I walked into the lobby of building 7 at 8:45, that’s when the first plane hit.

Had I taken the late train, or gotten a bite to eat, I would have been 5 minutes late and walking over the crosswalk. Had that happened, I would have been caught under a rain of fire and debris, I wouldn’t be here talking to you. I’d be dead.

I was in the lobby, and I heard the first explosion; it didn’t register. They were doing construction outside and I thought some scaffolding had fallen. I took the elevators up to my office on the 27th floor. When I walked in, the whole place was empty. There were no alarms, no sprinklers, nothing. Our offices are, or rather, were on the south side of building seven. We were close enough to the North and South Towers, that I could literally throw a stone from my window and hit the North tower with it.

My phone rang and I spoke with my mother and told her that I was leaving, at that moment I saw an explosion rip out of the second building. I called my friend in Boston, waking her up and told her to tell everyone I’m okay, and that I was leaving. I looked down one last time and saw the square and fountain that I eat lunch in, was covered in smoldering debris. Apparently, I was one of the last to leave my building, when I was on the way up in the elevators; my co-workers from the office were in the stairwells coming down. When I evacuated, there was no panic. People were calm and helping eachother; a pregnant woman was being carried down the stairwell.

I’ll spare the more gruesome details of what I saw, those are things that no-one should ever have to see, and beyond human decency to describe. Those are things which will haunt me for the rest of my life, my heart goes out to everyone who lost their lives that day, and those who survived with the painful reminders of what once was. Acquaintences of mine who made it out of the towers, only got out because 1000 people formed a human chain to find their way out of the smoke. Everyone was a hero that day.

We were evacuated to the north side of building 7. Still only 1 block from the towers. The security people told us to go north and not to look back. 5 city blocks later I stopped and turned around to watch. With a thousand people staring, we saw in shock as the first tower collapsed. No-one could believe it was happening, it is still all too-surreal to imagine. The next thing I remember is that a dark cloud of glass and debris about 50 stories high came tumbling towards us. I turned around and ran as fast as possible. I didn’t realize until yesterday that the reason I’m still feeling so sore was that I fell down trying to get away. What happened next is why I came here to give this speech.

I was on my back, facing this massive cloud that was approaching, it must have been 600 feet off, everything was already dark. I normally wear a pendant around my neck, inscribed with an Arabic prayer for safety; similar to the cross. A hesidic Jewish man came up to me and held the pendant in his hand, and looked at it. He read the Arabic out loud for a second. What he said next, I will never forget. With a deep Brooklyn accent he said “Brother, if you don’t mind, there is a cloud of glass coming at us, grab my hand, lets get the hell out of here”. He helped me stand up, and we ran for what seemed like forever without looking back. He was the last person I would ever have thought, who would help me. If it weren’t for him, I probably would have been engulfed in shattered glass and debris.

I finally stopped about 20 blocks away, and looked in horror as tower #2 came crashing down. Fear came over me as I realized that some people were evacuated to the streets below the towers. Like I said before, no-one could have thought those buildings could collapse. We turned around and in shock and disbelief and began the trek to midtown. It took me 3 hours to get to my sisters office at 3 avenue and 47th street. Some streets were completely deserted, completely quiet, no cars, no nothing… just the distant wail of sirens. I managed to call home and say I was okay, and get in touch with co-workers and friends whom I feared were lost.

We managed to get a ride to new jersey. Looking back as I crossed the George Washington Bridge, I could not see the towers. It had really happened.

As the world continues to reel from this tragedy, people in the streets are lashing out. Not far from my home, a Pakistani woman was run over on purpose as she was crossing the parking lot to put groceries in her car. Her only fault? That she had her head covered and was wearing the traditional clothing of my homeland. I am afraid for my family’s well-being within our community. My older sister is too scared to take the subway into work now. My 8 year old sister’s school is under lockdown and armed watch by police.

Violence only begets violence, and by lashing out at each other in fear and hatred, we will become no better than the faceless cowards who committed this atrocity. If it weren’t for that man who helped me get up, I would most likely be in the hospital right now, if not dead. Help came from the least expected place, and goes only to show, that we are all in this together … regardless of race, religion, or ethnicity. Those are principles that this country was founded on.

Please take a moment to look at the people sitting around you. Friends or strangers, In a time of crisis, you would want the nearest person to help you if you needed it. My help came from a man who I would never have thought would normally even speak to me. Ask yourselves now how you can help those people in New York and Washington. You can donate blood, you can send clothing, food, and money. Funds have been setup in the New York area to help the families of fallen firefighters, policemen, and emergency personnel. The one thing that won’t help, is if we fight amongst ourselves, because it is then that we are doing exactly what they want us to do, and I know that nobody here wants to do that.

My name is Usman Farman and I graduated from Bentley with a Finance degree last May. I am 21 years old, turning 22 in October; I am Pakistani, and I am Muslim, and I too have been victimized by this awful tragedy. The next time you feel angry about this, and perhaps want to retaliate in your own way, please remember these words:

“Brother, if you don’t mind, there is a cloud of glass coming at us, grab my hand, lets get the hell out of here.”

hobbyty 227

You constant attempts to sow hatred between Indian Hindus and Indian Muslims is not only disgusting, it is also downright shameful. We hear there are very few Pakistanis who are educated beyond madarassa level. People like you and ali1 represent the best Pakistan has and no wonder the country is hopeless without its external masters like saudi arabia, china, and usa.

It is your professional goal to cry over the horrible lot of Indian muslims. You daily shoot down your own Shias. You decimated baloochis, captured and imprisoned sindhis and pakhtoons, and have no heart in raping Kabul and want to do the same for kashmir. Then you come and preach about Islam! Have you no shame, hobbyty?

Ali1

When I first read Shima - I was absolutely fascinated - and disgusted. That`s what hindu`s are like to ``their own people``?

I had wanted to ask what planet this Shima was from? but I felt embarrassed for so many Indian Muslims. They seem caught between a rock and a hard place. They want to be seen as ``solid citizens`` but then again, it`s not like they lack self respect. But what must really hurt is that no Indian, Hindu or Muslim or whatever, stood up for Farzana or Indian Muslims. And this was an educated Hindu?

kafir K khan ....

I wish i could laugh at your joke .... but unfortunately i can`t.

Re:Reply #: 122

Layman,

Why does it come as a surprise to you? It is clear that Pak is in best position to help as its Army has close relationship with Taliban. ISI can help USA with intelligence regarding Taliban. USA will take all the help it will need from Pakistan. In return, Pak can expect some economic benefits for the services rendered. Do not forget that Pak is doing it under pressure and has no choice. If it had, it would have gone back to its traditional approach viz. that it has little influence over Taliban, something that US does not believe and, since the ghastly incidence, not willing to hear.

So, Pak has made a choice to help USA. This, if followed through well, augurs well for the subcontinent. Once we get rid of this mess called Taliban, Kashmir and other outstanding problems between the 2 countries can be solved by diplomacy.

India is playing it low profile. Its role at present is limited. But, do not forget that both US and India have been talking about terrorism, have a joint working group on this issue. After this incidence, the 2 countries have all the more reason to work together. I read in one of the newspapers that Jaswant Singh is visiting USA soon. It is better this way. If required, India can give help in the form of landing and refuelling facilities. Even this may be a problem, considering how narrow-minded and short sighted many politicians in India are.

Sridhar

Kiran #215

Umm read it again. That message was not directed to Farzana but to you.

Ciao.

Mahesh

Kiran

Creativity is just what Farzana, ylh, sarwari should be congratulated on. They create facts in their minds and become convinced of them even before those facts become half baked.

stuka thank you for being so nice about the whole thing...i still disagree with your stand and hold america responsible for a lot of the ruin that the countries i mentioned are in..i conclude that you are a nice person and a very good and tolerant human being even though we disagree on all issues strongly..if only all of us would talk, debate, argue this civilly and agree to disagree; wouldnt this world and the real one be so much more nicer?

take good care

love,

anNy

MaheshG #215:

Umm, read it again, my advise is not for Farzana, but the people questioning her creativity and beliefs. Sorry to upset ya, but on this one, I`m with her.

Ciao

Kiran

MaheshG #215:

Umm, read it again, my advise is not for Farzana, but the people questioning her creativity and beliefs. Sorry to upset ya, but on this one, I`m with her.

Ciao

Kiran