America’s Responsibility

Prem #464 ``where is the hostility coming from``

I think this particular gentleman starts having irregular heartbeats if someone from India talks about peace and understanding in the subcontinent...his plea to you to stay away from chowk (which is effectively what his post was about) was a cry from a tormented soul...my solution to Rsaxena: read a post from audio-video or harimau after reading prem or shankar or some of the other indian posters - kind of like an antidote.

re: RSaxena # 463

I doubt Hamzad spends as much time on Chowk as you think; and, surely, I don`t.

Where is this hostility coming from, young man?

re: prem & hamzad

do you guys have lives outside of chowk? you seem to spend 23 hours a day on chowk.

AVR # 457 PKJ # 458

Wonderful. The two have finally met.

Two nitwits looking into the mirror.

Indian wheat is full of fungus ?

While Afghans are starving, Pakistan has banned transit of Indian wheat, without inspection, to Kabul. This is tit for tat for India`s ban of bus and train service from Pakistan.

Pakistan is only making things difficult for itself. Afghans have reacted sharply to this news. It alienates Pakis further from Afghans. USA has taken serious note of this misbehaviour on part of Pakistan.

Mr. Radioman

The problem is that hydra keeps growing. It was wrong of the US to side with Pakistan and make it a front line state. It only encourages Muslims all over the world. I do not think the problem is going to go away by appeasement. They think by terrorizing, things can be gotten.

When I see bearded men shouting at top of the lungs, fists and teeth clinching, it makes me even more convinced that they should be dealt with punitively. Killing two or three people, arresting few here and there will only enbolden them. They need a very heavy hammer swung so swiftly and decisively which would bring them to senses just like what a bomb did to Japanese.

The writings of Koran in the streets of Bradford, meat hanging by the hook in Blackburn, salwar kameez in New York, burka (a tent on the head)in Jersey City and long beards in Frankfurt should not be perceived as the aspiration of Muslims but assertion of militancy in them. Why in the West ? Why not somewhere in the sand dunes.

A delightful read. Please write more.

later

-sac

NASAH & other human being interested hunting Israelis war criminals .They cant out live & outlast us ......

http://member.compuserve.com/news/story.jsp?floc=FF-APO-1107&idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20020123%2F110715463.htm&sc=1107&s=0&n=25

Belgians to Rule on Sharon Case

By CONSTANT BRAND BRUSSELS, Belgium (AP) - A Belgian appeals court heard closing arguments Wednesday from lawyers representing Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon against claims he should stand trail for war crimes in the 1982 massacre at Palestinian refugee camps in Lebanon.

The court is expected to rule March 6.

Sharon was Israeli defense minister in 1982 when 800 Palestinian civilians in the Sabra and Chatilla camps south of Beirut were slaughtered by a Lebanese Christian militia allied to the Israelis.

The Israeli premier is facing complaints before Belgian courts under laws introduced in 1993 and 1999 that allow for the prosecution of war crimes wherever they are committed.

On Wednesday, Sharon`s lawyers gave their closing arguments. The lawyers of the Palestinian survivors who launched the claims wrapped up their case in late December.

Sharon lawyer Adrien Masset said he argued that his client enjoyed diplomatic immunity and that an Israeli inquest had already been held into the massacre.

``Belgian law has no jurisdiction ... it is not applicable,`` he said. ``There is no link between Sabra and Chatilla and Belgium.``

An Israeli inquiry into the massacre found Sharon indirectly responsible, and he resigned as defense minister.

If the Belgian appeals court decides to accept the case and Sharon is found guilty, he could technically be arrested if he enters Belgium.

01/23/02 11:07 © Copyright The Associated Press. All rights reserved. The information contained In this news report may not be published, broadcast or otherwise distributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press.

Hamzad,

Khalid Hasan (Kashmir, the Bitter Truth; http://www.dawn.com/2002/01/21/op.htm#3) gives us a hint of another reason why there is a difference in the quality of journalism in our countries and in many Western countries.

In the West (much as we may hate it, rightly, sometimes), the press is quite strong vis a vis the state. It does not need to be afraid for its physical/economic safety the way our press has to be. In our countries, the press carries relatively far less clout. The state-press relationship is far more asymmetric in Indo-Pak than in the US, for instance. And, while Najam Sethi is a great guy, most journalists are no where near as well off, or as well protected by their international reputations, as he.

In fact, I know some local ``journalists`` in my hometown who are nothing but hacks, ready to print anything for a few hundred rupees.

hamzad #450 you write ``There is a merit in appreciating hot air & garbage as well.``

I surrender.

re: dost-mittar # 452

But dost-mittar ji, as romair reminded us repeatedly some time ago, Musharraf is apna bhai, made in our mould, a baniya :)

But I agree. Musharraf has been an absolute Master of deft play...and despite my strong dislike for military dictators...at least a short-term boon for Pakistan.

Now, if he would only rise above himself, and jettison those ``existential conflict`` blinkers that have nearly destroyed his country....If he does, I will be ready to accept him as one of the greatest leaders of our time...He could not only change the faces of both India and Pakistan, he could become a beacon for Muslims everywhere...

re: Hamzad afaqui # 445; Prem # 440

Hamzad, on reading tahmed321 # 448, I realized that there has been a miscommunication. I could not believe that your post # 413 could be from Der Spiegel, and asked about your post # 413, while you had your post # 422 in mind. There is no reason to believe that the interview you posted in # 422 could not have appeared in the Der Spiegel.

For my part in this confusion, I offer my sincere apologies.

tahmad---348

There is a method to everything tahmad.There is a merit in appreciating hot air & garbage as well.One can soar like a balloon and sometimes collect gems.

Your`re welcome to drive past with blinkers on.

QED!----case closed as far as I am concerned;)

hamzad afaqui # 439

IMHO, ALL of us must be careful arbitrators when it comes to deciding the trustworthiness of different news sources. This has become critical in these days of ``information`` glut, when anyone can cut and paste ANYTHING one wants in a matter of minutes.

Some news sources in the white/gora West are completely delusional. Check out just one such site:

http://www.mt.net/

Hamzad: I went back and (despite my better judgement) read that German interview you published. The man may be an ex-minister of state, but he seems like an utter fool to me: Any fool can sit down and whine about the US being slow in reacting on 9/11 (that it took them 60 minutes to realize what was going on, as he says - give me a break!), and any fool can blow hot air all day about the US taking over the world`s resources as this man is doing.

If you posted this article to back your anti-US feelings, then I think your ability to tell facts from opinion, substance from hot air. Since that is what this interview basically is, as the man himself says: ``As a lone fighter, I cannot prove anything, that`s beyond my capabilities.`` Not only can he not prove anything, what he is trying to prove is a load of garbage anyway (that on the one hand the US is incompentent and on the other that it is trying to take over the world). Garbage is garbage, whether spoken in German or in any other langauge.

Also: please try to speak for yourself, rather than turning chowk into a trash can with your miles of cutandpaste, since we can all access the internet for ourselves (as I said before).

Zafar----444

[[“Shouldn`t the U.S be governed by the same values abroad that it uses in its domsestic affairs?”

Many would say that it is.]]

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