Snakes And Ladders

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ras,

these registration procedures a confused attempt to face threats.

Ref ali87 #103

[Many more can be seen donating 151 dollars in the neighbourhoud temples for special poojas but cant be convinced to suppourt the education of four poor children of their choice in their own neighourhood back home.]

You are both right and wrong.

I was approached in a temple in Washington, DC, by a fresh-off-the-boat Indian grad student for donations for ASHA, the group that concentrates its resources on literacy and village improvement projects in India. I went to a meeting addressed by Swami Dayanand Saraswathi in Akron who was attempting to raise funds for one residential school in each district in India for the poor who cannot afford to commute 10+ kilometers each way daily to attend classes. They already have several schools operational. Yet another friend of mine in LA was asking for funds for schools at the rate of $1 a day ($365 a year).

ASHA raised $300,000 last year. If each Indian in the US gave $1 a year, they would have raised $1.5 million. So you can see the apathy of Indians. Their attitude is: I made it the hard way and you should do too. What is that crap about building character by living through hard times?

Most Indians in the US are children of one or two children families. They have been given everything they asked for. It is so difficult to see these people, pampered by their parents all their lives, having absolutely no compassion for the poor in India. If the money spent educating these folks in engineering and computer science had instead been spent in primary and secondary education for all, there would be no illiteracy in India but then these Fakhrs would not have the skills to find a job in the US either. No such trade-off analyses are ever done; it is more inmportant to buy your average Indian`s dream car (Honda Accord, silver grey in color) than part with a couple of dollars to lend a helping hand to an unfortunate Indian child.

I am more impressed by that grad student who was spending his weekend attempting to raise money than all the fcuking code coolies who slave away for the glory of Cisco, MicroSoft, Oracle or SAP and put on airs when you meet them somewhere.

there is another guy I know who is producing 20 high quality VLSI design enggs each year in remote Manipal in only three years the these fresh guys are already registering US patents without stepping out of India.

But these people are exceptions. Even a small attempt to help create science text book and helpers for school kids in chennai has elicted poor response from the people here. Not that they dont have time or cant take help of their overeducated home bound wifes in that.

So you are typically talking of exceptions...

Many more can be seen donating 151 dollars in the neighbourhoud temples for special poojas but cant be convinced to suppourt the education of four poor children of their choice in their own neighourhood back home. With the organisation only providing guidlines on how to help poor and not taking any money itself.

At the same time the millons that is funneled to RSS and VHP is well known. Till this date VHP and other hindu organisations have refused to reveal thier funds and are the only establishments in India who are not open to public scrutiniy and audit as regards the source of funds.

I have no doubt that the milllons of dollars that funds VHP comes from the likes of you.

The only true Pakistanis on Chowk are two Indians - studebaker and ali_1 ;)

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#96 by arjun_m on January 22, 2003 7:30am PT

Well if my experience with 100+ people in my company and the more than a dozen others from other compaines who I know is any indication I dont think so.

Any beinfit to the country is indirect result of any action that satisfies their personal needs. Like earning dollars.

On Independence day This ``Muslim`` (otherwise labeled ``Sophistacated Hindu pobe``) had to print Indian flags and distribute it to 100 mostly hindu Indians to put on their PC`s or cubicles. Less than 10 bothered to honour the flag. Most were of the impression that it would not please the goras (one even told me that it might be against the law!). They did not come to a small afternoon get together in the office with permission of the Client to sing the National Anthem. Only 20 turned up and there were 6 goras honouring our National Anthem by singing with us wondered why the rest of the Indians did not turnup.

I had to put across to the Client Management(the hindu managers were too worried that it might affect their efficient image, mental salvery in my opinon)that Diwali is a Major Religous holiday in India. On knowing this the client gave people off for the rest of the day.

You may sell your drivel easily to the pakistanis but reality is quite different to the one that you pretend it is. It takes one living amongst the likes of you to know who dreams of Chaddi dreams and one who doesnt.

#95 by AmericanExpress on January 21, 2003 6:03pm PT

Funny thing is Indian Ummah is ok for most Hindus but not Islamic Ummah It freezes them with fear(or so we are led to belive.)

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#80 by pmishra2 on January 19, 2003 6:05pm PT

Pretty easy to identify wannabe RSS chaddi walas.

They call their country as uncivilised. They even do not comment on my protest on the reference of Gandhi being called as coming from a uncilvised culture.

They instead try to cloud the issue and defend their partners by calling people who expose them as having Hindu Phobia(thanks at least for considering that as sophisticated sic.)

#76 by ssdhillon on January 17, 2003 6:18pm PT
73 by ali87 on January 17, 2003 4:25pm PT
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Jerk I happen to be an Indian. But that is frequently lost on you.
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Don`t blame arjun for that. Even I have never heard anything from you that would make me beleive that you are Indian.

Your jehadi, muslim-supremacist mentality is typical of a pakistani....it is a shame even Indian muslims are going that way.
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Nice tactic... Now I dont remember doing that.. but you do..

so go over my posts again and point that out to me..

Or else give me some real arguments

#85 by sadna on January 20, 2003 7:11am PT

Tell us something that we already dont know..

how about killing of 3 million in a country thousands of miles away. A country which could not attack you even if it wanted. Killing these millions not because they attacked you or were a danger to you then or later.

That exactly is my contention.. why act holier than thou when blood is on every hands..

but people like you an arjun would have us belive us otherwise.

That this line of thinking has no affect on most people is lost on the likes of you.

Your way of thinking is that any wrong on your part can be explained away with listing the faults of others..

No attempt at dealing with it honestly.

This is the same of pakistanis as well as Indians but for a handful of exceptions.

#80 by pmishra2 on January 19, 2003 6:05pm PT

Its hard to know which is more amusing. Your open racial and cultural prejidice or the more sophisticated hindu-phobia of your buddy ali87

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Does overcoming hinduphobia mean not exposing your muslim phobia??

something which is not to sophisticated by the way.

re:#88 by tahmed32
Now i hear (from a News clipping in Dawn) that even Indians will eventually have to register. This is inevitable. This is the way US is moving. I hope it will make some idiots, gloating over the fact that Pakis have to register, feel humble.
Sridhar

shankar asks: ``If a Pakistani is a naturalised US citizen--does that person have to register?``
I believe US citizens, permanent residents and a few other categories need not register. Where do I send the bill for this legal advice? (Or perhaps you can provide some pro bono psychiatric advice to some of my chowk friends in return).