Travels through America - Deep Thoughts

I would Put Mr Bush and his allies Crying for War in the Same Bracket with Halaku Khan and recently Hitler..

...its the same Old tale again...but this time with Naked agenda
War for Oil.

All other what Mr Bush or Blair say are just pretexts...like a Wolf when he accused a lamb of contaminating His water downstream so to have a pretext to Kill him.

Who is Osama Bin Laden or Mullah Umar... i can Visualize...
Osam and Mullah Umer reporting...to the CIA center Sir Agent Osama and Umar reporting we are on our Mission and its going to succed soon..( Amazing every time Osama Appears its on Al-Jazere television with their Headquarters in USA...!!

As for Saddam the least said the Better..he too Was once a Blue eye jewel of USA....Now out of Favour and this his given them pretext to rage a WAR..

Remember USA has more weapons of Mass Destruction in their arsenel then any one...at any time in the World History..

Also USA is the only county to Actually USED those weapons of Mass destruction many times...from Japan to Vietnem.. blah blah to Afghanistan and now Iraq...( I wonder is Pakistan Next ...)

USA is the only country now threatiening to USE them again...and are trying to legitimize them through bulling UN to accept their terms of demand in the use of those weapons of mass destruction.

This article sends me into nostalgia. Those were the good old days when we used to travel distances to rock with our favorite rockers - Whitesnake, Bon Jovi, AC/DC, Cinderella, Great White (the recent Rhode Island fire fame with their melodious blues based rock music - once bitten twice shy, lady redlight, monkey on my back, sale away, etc.). My family wants to visit the US every summer, but this time it is Malaysia for us. Better to be within our own rather than take chances.

This is what has happened. Due to the extremist and fanatic attitude of Bush & Company, we cannot meet our loved ones this time - many of them All Star White Americans.

Sorry pals, the tourists who used to throng to America will move on to better pastures and only innocent American businessmen will suffer.

#39 thamed32: sounds like a great idea :)

urstruly #40 You asked a reasonable question, I gave you a reasonable response. Looks like you had trouble sustaining your ability to discuss anything reasonably, and therefore slip back into the form you are accustomed to.
My congratulations on having written one post (the one to which I provided you with a reasonable response) out of the several hundred you have written on chowk where the reader could have mistaken you to be a grown up man.

tahmad #38

I don’t think that you yourself believe in a word that you have written. Had you believed in that bullshit that America has not become an intolerant country, you wouldn’t have asked me to leave the country for merely expressing my opinion. If this is not intolerance then what is?

So my initial response was correct – tainu amreekay da mama banan da shouq eh, har waylay dee maa yavi khaRpainchi changee naeeN hondi.

Once a McKhatri told me to leave the country too ( and so do many other McLangoors often). I told him that everything that white man does or says is not always true. They ain’t our masters and we ain’t their dogs. Leave the slave mentality behind in subcontinent. Learn to dissent. Freedom is also a state of mind. Let your conscience enjoy it, even if your body is in shackles and chains. But what would one do when his conscience and mind is in shackles and chains and he doesn’t know it?

Urstruly #35 Fair enough. Always glad to debate. So the proposition you make is (a) that what the writer of this article has written ``the main propaganda line in the `80s to lure youth of third world`` and (b) that ``the US has become an extremely intolerant country.``
On (a) I dont recall the US having to lure youth from the third world in the `80`s. I in fact recruited a number of these youth back then (many of them top graduates from IITs in India), and as I recall it their main concern invariably was to obtain a permanent residence in the US. A small number of people I know from Pakistan and a couple from India went back to their countries, but that was for family reasons and not due to any intolerance shown to them. In fact, I have never heard of the US ever having to lure individuals with the exception of world famous scientists (e.g. from postwar Germany and Japan, nobel prize winners, and others who had already established their credentials - not fresh out of college youth by any means). On (b), if the US has become an intolerant country, then why are the Pakistani youth who have overstayed their visas so worried about being sent back? If they felt threatened by anyone in the US, why would they have overstayed their visas to begin with, and why are they so concerned about being deported at this time? The US authorities are indeed enforcing laws that were always on the books, and by no stretch of imagination does that count as intolerance. Even if one questions the effectiveness of these measures in preventing terrorist attacks on inside the US, but by no reasonable standard would one consider the US authorities to be out of line in taking these measures. The true villains are those who planned and executed the murderous attacks of 9/11, not the US authorities which are doing what I wish the Pakistan authorities would do more of - namely do all they can to ensure law and order within the country.
There. No personal attacks on you, and I have made a case for your consideration.

Sajni #36 Its a deal. We shall put this discussion on hold until the war takes place, and THEN see if it indeed was over in two weeks and placed Iraq on the road to democracy.
Let us all pray indeed for the best, and for God to spare the lives of everyone concerned (Iraqi and US, civilian and soldier). There is a tiny possibility that there will be no war, and Saddam will chose the option presented to him by Bush in his speech to quit his job and go to some other country. But I fear that will probably not happen, and it looks like war will start around March 20th (a couple of days after the ultimatum given by Bush has expired). Which means, you and I shall talk again around April 10 or so. And we can do that on the topmost article on chowk at the time. And Urstruly can be the referee.

tahmed sahib:

you are right and i am wrong. as recent developments in jordan indicate, uncle sam really is interested in bringing about democracy to the muslim world. onwards with the bombing i say.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/09/international/middleeast/09JORD.html?pagewanted=2

_ _ _Abdullah came to the throne with calls for a move toward fuller democracy, but the rising conflict between Israelis and Palestinians, and America`s response to the Sept. 11 attacks, roused popular feelings that prompted him to reverse course. Parliament was suspended and elections postponed. Permits were required for protests, and few were granted. Tighter press controls were imposed. More than 120 new laws have been passed by royal decree.

Unions and professional associations, a powerful pro-Islamist force under King Hussein, were barred from political activities. This week they struck back in a joint statement warning Jordanians that any cooperation with American troops here would betray Islam

tahmed32: you know what, i have decided to discuss this issue once the war is over in as you say in only 2 weeks , and once US leaves Iraq in a better and a democratic position after the war then i will take all my words back, and possibly change my opinions about the US, but until then i am sticking to my views. i truly hope that what you are saying turns out to be right. we should all pray and hope for the best :)

tahmad

you are unnecessarily angry with me. My argument was that US has become an extremely intolerant country, therefore, I feel conned into beleiving what writer has written and it used to be the main propaganda line in the `80s to lure youth of third world. If you are convinced otherwise, that US has not become an extremely intolerant country, then present your argument. Can you? Write one convincing post (without blasting me); it might change my mind. May be I am wrong.

Reply # 33

Tipu - I was just kidding on the lighter side. Chowk is a great site and its best part is the interaction. All this fire and fury is very educative and one learns to get the perspective of the South Asians from all over the world.

May I say that Chowk is the best South Asian site I have come across and its format is superb.

I just bumped into it accidently one day.

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Urstruly #29 Your attempt at talking like a panjabi tough guy is as hollow as your other miserable acts - like saying you were conned into coming to the US, but not wishing to leave it; like writing challenging hindus to a duel as if you are some kind of a warrior, when all you are doing is posting anonymous insults from the safety of your home. You are a fake.
And as I reminded you once, while I enjoy talking in panjabi with friends and people I respect, I dont buy this ``fellow panjabi`` with anonymous posters on chowk.

sajni #28 While I admire your knowledge about shampoos :-), I do think you need to take economics more seriously. While it is conventional wisdom to say that the US is going after Iraq due to oil, do you seriously think that once in Iraq, the US will turn Iraq into a colony? While no one can of course foretell the future (not even the policy makers in the US, since even the US cannot afford to ignore popular opinion, and that is why they are trying so hard to put forward their point of view and get broader support before taking out Saddam), my bet is the war will be short (about 2 weeks at most), and at the end the Iraqis will be on the road to democracy. The post-war plans that the US has been announcing today (as reported in the BBC) clearly seem to indicate this (the ministry of information being one the ministries that would be abolished in order to enable a free press; the iraqi army would be made responsible for maintaining law and order after Saddam; and so forth).
Anyway lets hope for the best for the Iraqis. And then lets start paying some attention to our own Pakistanis, the millions who suffer poverty every day and who deserve our attention much more than other people anyway. At least that is what I think.

tahmad # 17

Oye tooN amreekay da mama lagna aiN?